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Post by texs31 on Jan 10, 2015 8:12:39 GMT -5
Porzingis may be an outlier but the other 3 are consistent amongst most lists so, if not Ford, pick someone else.
I would have concerns about KP as the history of Euros at the top of the draft has not been great.
Intrigued by WCS, just not sure about him in the top 4.
I did realize my post was misleading. I didn't mean one of those 4 guys. Meant one of the top 4 picks.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 10, 2015 9:14:18 GMT -5
Ford thinks there is a tier of 4 top players (Okafor, Mudiay, Towns and Porzingis). Just hopin to get one of those 4 This happens every year and most of these guys will be busts and others will be studs. Cauley-stein could be a great NBA player and the guy I love is Winslow. Winslow could be the best guy out of this draft in 3 years and his floor should be relatively high. He can defend 4 spots like crazy, super athletic and works hard. Shooting needs work but it's not terrible I watch a lot if Duke. Winslow is AWESOME. And let me repeat: stop reading Ford. He's a lazy slop who likes to pretend he's comnected, when really he's just googling things. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 10, 2015 11:38:03 GMT -5
Haven't been paying much attention to the NBA prospects this year. All I know is Karl Towns is Dominicano and plays for the National team so if he's available draft him.  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 10, 2015 11:48:45 GMT -5
This happens every year and most of these guys will be busts and others will be studs. Cauley-stein could be a great NBA player and the guy I love is Winslow. Winslow could be the best guy out of this draft in 3 years and his floor should be relatively high. He can defend 4 spots like crazy, super athletic and works hard. Shooting needs work but it's not terrible I watch a lot if Duke. Winslow is AWESOME. And let me repeat: stop reading Ford. He's a lazy slop who likes to pretend he's comnected, when really he's just googling things. Chad Ford is connected! Year after year his ratings and mocks are money. Not sure why you really hate Ford but you sure do have your facts wrong. I look at most of the big draft sites and Fords rankings and mocks are right on with the other sites. I also think you are overrating Winslow, he is no where near the top prospect in this draft, not even close! Good young player, but not even the top prospect on his team! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 10, 2015 13:05:55 GMT -5
Well his team has the best prospect around so saying he's not the best on his team is like saying Wade wasn't a good prospect because he wasn't the best prospect in his draft class...
I'd rather them draft Winslow in the top 4 than Mundiay... Not sure I want anything to do with him after he was a late decommit and went to China and got hurt and barely played... Put up sole good numbers in the few Chinese league games he played but that says nothing... I will reserve judgement until I really look into the story behind why he chose to not play for a good coach but it gives me pause. Character question which I think character - drive and work ethics are the most important thing for an NBA player. Talent is everywhere.
Jeff Green is a good example. He's a good guy but his personality and drive don't suit the NBA if you want to win.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 10, 2015 13:59:48 GMT -5
Winslow is AWESOME. And let me repeat: stop reading Ford. He's a lazy slop who likes to pretend he's comnected, when really he's just googling things. Chad Ford is connected! Year after year his ratings and mocks are money. Not sure why you really hate Ford but you sure do have your facts wrong. I look at most of the big draft sites and Fords rankings and mocks are right on with the other sites. I also think you are overrating Winslow, he is no where near the top prospect in this draft, not even close! Good young player, but not even the top prospect on his team! And you're just pulling things outta thin air. I never said anything about Winslow being the top prospect in the draft or on his team - only that I think he's an awesome player. And I'm not wrong about Ford. The only "connections" he has are at ESPN, which has helped him stay employed for so long. Those other big sites are generally run by fans, not reporters, so they definitely aren't that plugged. So, sorry, I'm not impressed that Ford's rankings are on par with a bunch of fans. (Plus, it's really not THAT hard to predict the NBA draft with some accuracy when you do that for a living - there's 60 picks total.) |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 10, 2015 14:09:29 GMT -5
It looks like the Celtics pick-y bank currently looks like this:
2015:
Own 1st
Clippers 1st
Own 2nd
Wizards 2nd
2016:
Own 1st
Nets 1st
Mavs 1st
Cavs 1st
Sixers 2nd
TWolves 2nd
Cavs 2nd
Mavs 2nd
Heat 2nd
2017:
Best of own or Nets 1st
Own 2nd
Sixers 2nd
Twolves 2nd
Cavs 2nd
2018
Own 1st
Nets 1st
Own 2nd
Nets 2nd
**Plus whatever this Memphis pick ends up being.
Assumptions:
Philly won't make the playoffs this year
Mavs will make the playoffs this year and won't be in the bottom 7 next.
Wizards 2nd will be outside the top 49 this year
Cavs pick will be outside the top 10 in 2016
Kings 2nd round pick will be within the top 55 in 2016
Celtics 2nd in 2017 will be top 45 (and/or they won't exercise the option to switch with the Nets)
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Post by jmei on Jan 10, 2015 14:17:34 GMT -5
2016: Own 1st Nets 1st Mavs 1st Cavs 1st Sixers 2nd TWolves 2nd Cavs 2nd Mavs 2nd Heat 2nd LOL |
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Post by redsoxfan1994 on Jan 10, 2015 15:15:46 GMT -5
Celtics are also rumored to be getting Austin Rivers in this deal per Marc Stein
Trade as constructed: Grizz poised to get Jeff Green; Celts to get Tay Prince, Austin Rivers and future first; Pels to get Quincy Pondexter - @espnsteinline
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 10, 2015 21:50:21 GMT -5
Well his team has the best prospect around so saying he's not the best on his team is like saying Wade wasn't a good prospect because he wasn't the best prospect in his draft class... I'd rather them draft Winslow in the top 4 than Mundiay... Not sure I want anything to do with him after he was a late decommit and went to China and got hurt and barely played... Put up sole good numbers in the few Chinese league games he played but that says nothing... I will reserve judgement until I really look into the story behind why he chose to not play for a good coach but it gives me pause. Character question which I think character - drive and work ethics are the most important thing for an NBA player. Talent is everywhere. Jeff Green is a good example. He's a good guy but his personality and drive don't suit the NBA if you want to win. Please Winslow is not even close to Okafor, one is elite(slam dunk top 3 pick) and the other is a good prospect that could go top 5, 10, 15 or late first round. Winslow is shooting 12% on shoots that aren't at the rim or a 3 pointer. I also worry that his 3p% is a fluke and might end up going way down as the year progresses(going by his scouting reports he's not a good shooter). Comparing Winslow and Okafor is not like comparing LeBron, Melo, Bosh and Wade. Again Winslow is not an elite prospect, Okafor is. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 10, 2015 22:06:24 GMT -5
Chad Ford is connected! Year after year his ratings and mocks are money. Not sure why you really hate Ford but you sure do have your facts wrong. I look at most of the big draft sites and Fords rankings and mocks are right on with the other sites. I also think you are overrating Winslow, he is no where near the top prospect in this draft, not even close! Good young player, but not even the top prospect on his team! And you're just pulling things outta thin air. I never said anything about Winslow being the top prospect in the draft or on his team - only that I think he's an awesome player. And I'm not wrong about Ford. The only "connections" he has are at ESPN, which has helped him stay employed for so long. Those other big sites are generally run by fans, not reporters, so they definitely aren't that plugged. So, sorry, I'm not impressed that Ford's rankings are on par with a bunch of fans. (Plus, it's really not THAT hard to predict the NBA draft with some accuracy when you do that for a living - there's 60 picks total.) I'm sorry, I confused your comments with Rips, you never did say Winslow was a top prospect.
But you are dead wrong about Ford. So his connections he acquired while working at ESPN don't count? Chad Ford talks with tons of scouts, GM's and team personal. He gets insights that no regular fan can get. Ford gets to go to all the pre draft camps, scouting combine and many of the group workouts players have. Can you please back up your claims with some facts? Go to espn.com and read a bunch of Chard Ford articles or look at his tweets they all prove he has inside information that a regular fan doesn't have due to his connections. Maybe you hate Chad Ford because a lot of his stuff is only available for insiders, but it sure isn't because he lacks connections.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 10, 2015 22:10:31 GMT -5
2016: Own 1st Nets 1st Mavs 1st Cavs 1st Sixers 2nd TWolves 2nd Cavs 2nd Mavs 2nd Heat 2nd LOL There have to be some trades, that is a crap load of picks. What is the record for most picks in a single draft? 9 picks has to be close to a record, if not a record. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 10, 2015 22:15:03 GMT -5
Celtics are also rumored to be getting Austin Rivers in this deal per Marc Stein Trade as constructed: Grizz poised to get Jeff Green; Celts to get Tay Prince, Austin Rivers and future first; Pels to get Quincy Pondexter - @espnsteinline Also hearing that Celtics will turn around and shop Rivers right away. Not sure I like this. Rivers was known as a shooter in College, would like to see what he could do with the Celtics. I know he's been bad so far in the NBA but I think he has upside and we could use another 3 point threat. |
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Post by gator39 on Jan 11, 2015 9:49:50 GMT -5
I agree. Isn't he the type of person the celtics should be taking a chance on?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2015 15:10:16 GMT -5
Well his team has the best prospect around so saying he's not the best on his team is like saying Wade wasn't a good prospect because he wasn't the best prospect in his draft class... I'd rather them draft Winslow in the top 4 than Mundiay... Not sure I want anything to do with him after he was a late decommit and went to China and got hurt and barely played... Put up sole good numbers in the few Chinese league games he played but that says nothing... I will reserve judgement until I really look into the story behind why he chose to not play for a good coach but it gives me pause. Character question which I think character - drive and work ethics are the most important thing for an NBA player. Talent is everywhere. Jeff Green is a good example. He's a good guy but his personality and drive don't suit the NBA if you want to win. Please Winslow is not even close to Okafor, one is elite(slam dunk top 3 pick) and the other is a good prospect that could go top 5, 10, 15 or late first round. Winslow is shooting 12% on shoots that aren't at the rim or a 3 pointer. I also worry that his 3p% is a fluke and might end up going way down as the year progresses(going by his scouting reports he's not a good shooter). Comparing Winslow and Okafor is not like comparing LeBron, Melo, Bosh and Wade. Again Winslow is not an elite prospect, Okafor is. Whoa you are the one who compared them. I said it was a foolish comment. I believe it was "he's not even the best prospect on his own team." We no crap his team has the best big man prospect since Anthony Davis then Duncan. I think Winslow is a legit top 5 pick though. Whether or not that is elite is up for debate. Okafor is elite but who else is? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 12, 2015 1:57:24 GMT -5
Please Winslow is not even close to Okafor, one is elite(slam dunk top 3 pick) and the other is a good prospect that could go top 5, 10, 15 or late first round. Winslow is shooting 12% on shoots that aren't at the rim or a 3 pointer. I also worry that his 3p% is a fluke and might end up going way down as the year progresses(going by his scouting reports he's not a good shooter). Comparing Winslow and Okafor is not like comparing LeBron, Melo, Bosh and Wade. Again Winslow is not an elite prospect, Okafor is. Whoa you are the one who compared them. I said it was a foolish comment. I believe it was "he's not even the best prospect on his own team." We no crap his team has the best big man prospect since Anthony Davis then Duncan. I think Winslow is a legit top 5 pick though. Whether or not that is elite is up for debate. Okafor is elite but who else is? I think Karl Anthony Towns is elite along with Okafor. I think Emmauel Mudiay and Kristaps Porzingis could also be elite, but I am not ready to call them elite today.
I really hope Winslow is not a legit top 5 pick, that means this is a weak draft in my opinion. I love a lot of things Winslow does, but I hate his weaknesses.
Negatives-
-Not particularly skilled offensively -Lacks great jump shot and handle -a bit of a tweener
I also can't get over the fact that he shoots 12% on shots that aren't at rim or a 3.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 12, 2015 8:37:32 GMT -5
I agree. Isn't he the type of person the celtics should be taking a chance on? Nah, he's just not an NBA player. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 14:27:43 GMT -5
I don't see Winslow as a tweener at all. He can defend 4 spots and today's NBA is becoming more of a league that's not just about typical positions. Regardless of that, he's a wing player through and through. He's a clear 3, but can defend 2's and stretch 4s as well as a lot of PGs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 14:28:16 GMT -5
Has any one seen the protection on the Memphis pick coming to Boston?
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Post by texs31 on Jan 12, 2015 16:28:46 GMT -5
3:16pm: It’s a 2017 first-rounder headed from Memphis to Boston that’s top-10 protected, reports Chris Herrington of The Commercial Appeal (Twitter link). If the Grizzlies don’t convey it in 2017, it’s top-12 protected for 2018, top-eight protected for 2019, top-six protected for 2020, and unprotected for 2021.
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Post by jmei on Jan 12, 2015 16:45:50 GMT -5
Not great, but not terrible.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 17:04:18 GMT -5
Considering it's highly unlikely they see that pick before 2019, I look at it as top 8, top 6 and unprotected so I'm good with that.
How's the 2016 draft looking? Is the current HS senior class strong? They likely have 6 of the top 35 picks...
Firsts:
Own
Nets
Cavs
Mavericks
High seconds
Philly
Minnesota
Should probably count their own too
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 17:05:42 GMT -5
I also prefer the fact that they got a first that won't be traded until a few years down the road and that it has no chance of turning into a second rd pick. Danny did great with that deal IMO. I didn't think he had a chance at a real first for Green.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 12, 2015 17:13:32 GMT -5
I saw someone else write that it likely wouldn't be conveyed until 2019 but I don't see why given the reported protection. Unless I'm missing a piece of the protection, it's very possible that the pick is outside the top 10 in 2017, no?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 17:40:23 GMT -5
It's because it cannot be conveyed until 2 years after Memphis conveys a first to another team from a previous trade and that likely won't be conveyed until 2017.
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