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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 17:42:26 GMT -5
The pick Memphis has to trade first 2015 first round draft pick to Denver Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015] Read more at basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed#b6KmgLstsqZtCH9U.99 |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 12, 2015 17:43:28 GMT -5
Right. Thank you.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2015 17:45:03 GMT -5
Pick went to Cleveland first then it went to Denver from Cleveland.
Part 1 of said trade:
Traded Jon Leuer, $6.4M trade exception to Grizzlies for Marreese Speights, Josh Selby, Wayne Ellington, first round pick in first draft 2 years after Grizzlies send first round pick to Timberwolves via Rockets (protected #1-5, #15-30 in 2015-16, top 5 in 2017-18, unprotected in 2019) (?-?) on 2013-01-22
Part 2:
Traded Timofey Mozgov to Cavaliers for 2015 first round pick (protected top 18 in 2015, top 15 in 2016-17, else 2018 second round pick and 2019 second round pick) (?-?), first round pick in first draft 2 years after Grizzlies send first round pick to Timberwolves via Rockets (protected #1-5, #15-30 in 2015-16, top 5 in 2017-18, unprotected in 2019) (?-?) on 2015-01-07
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 12, 2015 21:56:00 GMT -5
I don't see Winslow as a tweener at all. He can defend 4 spots and today's NBA is becoming more of a league that's not just about typical positions. Regardless of that, he's a wing player through and through. He's a clear 3, but can defend 2's and stretch 4s as well as a lot of PGs. Tweener label is not about his D, but his offense. He sure can guard a lot of positions, but his offensive game isn't what you want to see from a small forward. That's why I keep bringing up his 12% on non dunks and 3 pointers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 13, 2015 8:08:43 GMT -5
No college prospect is perfect, the reason I like him is because unlike most of the "raw" prospects out there he has certain things that make him a higher flour prospect. His defensive ability alone, is huge, then you add his character, work rate and athletic ability to that and he's a guy I'd want. I'm not saying he THE guy I want, but he's a legit top notch talent. He has flaws, but they all do.
Moving on though.... Why don't the Celtics want to keep Rivers? He came out too early and has struggled, but has greatly improved this year and I'd keep him around if I were Danny to try and continue that vs just dumping him for a late second round pick... I realize there are so many minutes to be had, but that's why we get Thornton out of here and like Danny said, unconditional minutes are not good for anyone's development.
Don't forget about Evan Turner either... He could have a real future in this league, I always get intrigued when a young guy who was that high a pick shows a good attitude, willingness and improvement.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2015 8:16:51 GMT -5
Austin is a free agent next year because his old team declined his option. I have to think that's why we are going to move him. Normally he should have two option years left, which is why I wanted to keep him, too bad I do think he has upside.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 13, 2015 8:19:57 GMT -5
I keep reading these articles about what Danny is going to do with the picks and space this summer. Curious as to what route people think he should take... There are so many possibilities and combination of them that it's hard to summarize, but I'm curious to hear on general.
Personally, I want another year of patience and drafting/developing. If a trade comes available for a young star then obviously go for it. It'd have to be a real star though who's young. That eliminates guys like Melo (too old) and Dragic (not a real star). I don't want them using their cap space this year simply on upgrades that can get them in them playoff picture like Reggie Jackson and Tobias Harris (because while I like them, they aren't the right type of piece yet). Greg Monroe and Jimmy Butler are two guys I'm undecided on yet. Butler especially, I can possibly see him being a legit number 2 option. The others I see as poor 3s or good fours, not the tie for them.
The future hinges on the guys we have developing so I say let them be and see them develop together. You can get into the mix for the playoffs just by maturation. Heck, they are there now. I don't want them to tank games, but I don't want to bring in the wrong players too early and take minutes away. Much better off keeping the flexibility while your own guys mature. I believe adding in the right order is very important with the salary cap.
I also don't care about give fans and anyone's lack of patience. I do enjoy following this team even though they are losing and I think a good number of people do too. Not that it matters, got to do it right no matter what we think as fans.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 13, 2015 18:04:31 GMT -5
Prince to get bought out. Also, Nelson getting traded to Denver for Nate Robinson (who will also get bought out). According to Wojo and others.
Basic difference is that Nelson had an Player Option for next year.
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Post by jmei on Jan 13, 2015 19:00:42 GMT -5
I imagine Boston will be sending a second-round pick with Nelson, otherwise the trade makes no sense from the Nuggets POV.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 13, 2015 21:52:49 GMT -5
Its official and both teams have announced the deal. No exchange of picks. I don't get it either but I'll take it.
Also, Bullpet saying that Rivers WILL be sent to the Clippers. No word on return and LA has to move body (ies) first.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 13, 2015 22:45:26 GMT -5
Danny will somehow get a 2nd rounder from the Clippers - a heck of a return for a guy who isn't an NBA-caliber player.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 13, 2015 23:03:13 GMT -5
Looks like that's what it is. No word on what year though.
Bullpet via CSNNE
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Post by jmei on Jan 13, 2015 23:12:39 GMT -5
Bulpett reporting that the Rivers/Clippers deal will get done when the Celtics clear two roster spots (presumably the Robinson/Prince buyouts), which probably means that trade will be something like Rivers to LAC, Farmar to TeamX, two minimum salary-types and a 2nd round pick to Boston.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 15, 2015 18:59:12 GMT -5
I can understand trading Rivers, what I don't understand is why Danny didn't want to take a look at Reggie Bullock. Has two option years left at 1.25 and 2.25 million. I just think Bullock has more value next year when compared to 1.25 million. Thoughts?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 15, 2015 19:58:09 GMT -5
Where and when would he play? He's also poor defensively even if they think he has the "tools" to do it. This team has way too many picks coming to bother wasting roster spots. He's just not useful enough for them in their situation. They don't need to look to fill that 3 and D spot off the bench from a guy hearing the end of his rookie deal, especially when he hasn't played much defense.
I think it's a matter of the roster spot being more valuable.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 15, 2015 21:53:33 GMT -5
For one he is not nearing the end of his deal, he has two options years left. Second the roster spot is more valuable for who Shavlik Randolph? I would rather buyout Thornton's deal and give his minutes to Bullock. Bullock has shown this year that he has an nba skill and that is he can hit the 3. He is shooting .385% this year. Only way this makes sense is if Danny is going to take back some young talent when he trades Thornton or Bass. As for the up coming picks, it doesn't matter. Next year we have 9 players with contracts and Pressey's deal is non guaranteed. So even if we added 5 players by way of the draft we would still have one or two roster spots open. By the way chances we add 5 draft picks to roster next year is very slim.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 16, 2015 16:10:40 GMT -5
What do you hope to get from Bullock and who do you want him to take minutes from?
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 16, 2015 17:54:15 GMT -5
Why are we spending so much time talking about a potential 9th man?
Bullock may have a place in the NBA, but it's not on a rebuilding team.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2015 17:55:38 GMT -5
I'd be more than okay giving Shavlik Randolph's minutes to Reggie Bullock.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2015 8:31:13 GMT -5
Why are we spending so much time talking about a potential 9th man? Bullock may have a place in the NBA, but it's not on a rebuilding team. It's been about 3 posts but I agree he has no place on a rebuilding team. There's not a whole lot to discuss right now but I don't look at this as a Reggie bullock discussion as much as a team building discussion. My contention is that his ceiling may be useful to an NBA team but not this team and I think Danny needs to be conscious of how he adds as well as who. I don't want him taking minutes from any of the guards currently on the roster. Thornton needs some minutes to be tradable. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2015 8:32:05 GMT -5
I'd be more than okay giving Shavlik Randolph's minutes to Reggie Bullock. Yea well they play different positions so it's not all that easy and I doubt Randolph plays. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 17, 2015 8:42:30 GMT -5
Once all trades and buyouts are completed, you're probably looking at Zeller, Sully and Olynyk in the front court; Smart, Bradley, Young, Pressey and (likely) Turner in the backcourt (Turner is signed for next year so I don't think they'd buy him out).
The big man minutes are more needed. Besides, I'm not sure if they could've gotten the trade exception that they did (2.4 million). Getting those seems to be a priority.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2015 8:58:05 GMT -5
Yea and every dollar of cap space is too. I think Danny knows his only real chance of getting top free agents are in package deals. You can't get a guy like Aldrich here by himself but maybe him and butler and a third come together. Don't focus on the players just examples. They might be looking at after next year for something like that when the Wallace money comes off and the young guys develop more and they have this years picks. All of a sudden this could be a really attractive place for a trio of free agents. Strong young talented role players with upside who just need the upper level players to top it off. Cap space can probably dish at least two max contracts or close to it and the trade exceptions and draft picks could help land a third good player - possibly via a sign and trade.
Not something I expect to necessarily happen, but I'm sure it's an option Danny wants to leave open and it's probably the best hope to turn it around somewhat quickly.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2015 8:59:01 GMT -5
Of course the Celtics have never signed a top free agent before but they've never had cap room either so maybe they can especially in a package... Not this year though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2015 15:14:32 GMT -5
Why are we spending so much time talking about a potential 9th man? Bullock may have a place in the NBA, but it's not on a rebuilding team. Bullock needs to be on a rebuilding team so he can get minutes. When we trade and/or release Thornton he would have plenty of minutes without taking minutes away from Young players. |
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