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Post by James Dunne on Jan 16, 2015 14:31:14 GMT -5
Interesting that he has Moncada ahead of Sano (!), and that he's projecting him to start in Double-A.
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Post by nomar on Jan 16, 2015 14:38:53 GMT -5
Interesting that he has Moncada ahead of Sano (!), and that he's projecting him to start in Double-A. If he's anything close to Sano prospect wise I'd go all out for him. Sano is a monster. Different types of players anyway, but wow that's a raving review gotta say. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2015 14:41:18 GMT -5
Interesting that he has Moncada ahead of Sano (!), and that he's projecting him to start in Double-A. If he's anything close to Sano prospect wise I'd go all out for him. Sano is a monster. Different types of players anyway, but wow that's a raving review gotta say. Based on the comments on each, I'd much rather have the guy with the better hit tool - Moncada. Too many guys like Sano bust, IMO. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 16, 2015 14:50:09 GMT -5
This is an interesting situation ... since he's a prospect, organizational need doesn't really play into it as much as a free agent signing, and he doesn't count toward the MLB payroll, so lux tax isn't a concern for a team like the Sox (everyone's in the same boat since everyone will have to pay the tax on it). The comments earlier that it all comes down to which team values him more are probably utopian - it's not *that* rational a market - but it is closer to reality than it normally is. This is as close to a pure market as you can get in major league baseball.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 18, 2015 21:14:15 GMT -5
Baseball America ?@baseballamerica 9m9 minutes ago Yoan Moncada Works Out For Giants ow.ly/2TyIUG |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 19, 2015 22:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jan 19, 2015 22:23:37 GMT -5
Before the draft Chavis said in the interview that he would not like to be a catcher. Also he said that he would take if FO forces him to be a catcher.
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Post by KB24 on Jan 20, 2015 12:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 20, 2015 12:30:22 GMT -5
Given that he is already working out for teams, is there any reason offers can't be made and perhaps an unofficial, wink-wink agreement reached prior to the all-clear coming down from the government? Should we expect him to sign pretty quickly after being cleared, or would the courtship likely go on for a few more weeks or even months?
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2015 15:10:28 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jan 20, 2015 16:00:43 GMT -5
I bet he signs soon after he is allowed to.
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Post by jmei on Jan 26, 2015 22:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 27, 2015 7:14:02 GMT -5
That gives me a strong belief that he's not going to be posted until after July 1. Unless there may be an urgency in the negotiations because of Moncada. That might sound a little crazy, but he will be the biggest signing out of Cuba ever. I don't know how they can project the cost. There can easily be a bidding war that pushes it higher. I don't think the Red Sox are in at the end, but if both the Dodgers and Yankees say "I want him", that's a bit scary. |
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 27, 2015 11:24:34 GMT -5
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Post by Gwell55 on Jan 27, 2015 12:16:25 GMT -5
It sure appears that July 3rd or thereafter is the total intent of the league office ... I'm sure they are really busy looking after who can or should be allowed to sign this him. Also I'm very sure "The best interest of baseball" clause is in the minds of our new leadership. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 27, 2015 12:43:56 GMT -5
It sure appears that July 3rd or thereafter is the total intent of the league office ... I'm sure they are really busy looking after who can or should be allowed to sign this him. Also I'm very sure "The best interest of baseball" clause is in the minds of our new leadership. So the Rangers and Cubs can have the opportunity to sign him because their penalties went away for doing the same exact thing before? That doesn't make a lot of sense. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 27, 2015 15:13:51 GMT -5
Have to wonder if the age of the applicant is included in these documents. This may scare foreign players from falsifying their age which would help MLB. Still think the chance he lasts through the entire signing period is close to zero given the Yankees/Red Sox wallets, his desire and reports that the process began months ago. www.baseballamerica.com/international/one-big-problem-teams-yoan-moncada/ |
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Post by Gwell55 on Jan 27, 2015 15:59:08 GMT -5
It sure appears that July 3rd or thereafter is the total intent of the league office ... I'm sure they are really busy looking after who can or should be allowed to sign this him. Also I'm very sure "The best interest of baseball" clause is in the minds of our new leadership. So the Rangers and Cubs can have the opportunity to sign him because their penalties went away for doing the same exact thing before? That doesn't make a lot of sense. For me I think in reality what the real issue is if they held out on him that gets at least 3 big money teams out of the way and cuts the cost for the rest down a lot. Seems to me Robbie might do something along those lines for the good of the league. Would it be better for the MLB owners as a group "which goes through the commish as the leader" to pay more or less to one player? I'm pretty sure they would want to keep costs down anyway they could as sky rocketing foreign player bonuses is one of their objectives right now. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 27, 2015 16:14:57 GMT -5
So the Rangers and Cubs can have the opportunity to sign him because their penalties went away for doing the same exact thing before? That doesn't make a lot of sense. For me I think in reality what the real issue is if they held out on him that gets at least 3 big money teams out of the way and cuts the cost for the rest down a lot. Seems to me Robbie might do something along those lines for the good of the league. Would it be better for the MLB owners as a group "which goes through the commish as the leader" to pay more or less to one player? I'm pretty sure they would want to keep costs down anyway they could as sky rocketing foreign player bonuses is one of their objectives right now. I imagine that all teams will be bidding on him and Moncada can decide to wait until after July 2nd to sign if he wants to. |
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Post by jmei on Jan 27, 2015 16:28:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't jump to conspiracy theories. This policy of requiring a more specific clearance from OFAC dates back years (since Puig signed in June 2012) and exists for a reason-- to try and use the threat of a felony conviction to prevent fraud in the defection/residency process.
If anything, if MLB suddenly decided to change the policy it's had for 2+ years just to allow Moncada to sign with big-market teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, etc., that would be the real indicator of shenanigans.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 27, 2015 17:27:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't jump to conspiracy theories. This policy of requiring a more specific clearance from OFAC dates back years (since Puig signed in June 2012) and exists for a reason-- to try and use the threat of a felony conviction to prevent fraud in the defection/residency process. If anything, if MLB suddenly decided to change the policy it's had for 2+ years just to allow Moncada to sign with big-market teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, etc., that would be the real indicator of shenanigans. Ok, back to reality. I'd love to see a poll or survey similar to what Amfox did with Lester and his max bid. Essentially what is the max you would be comfortable with the Sox paying for Moncada. Right now I would be ok with a 90M total commitment, and I'd probably be willing to bump that up to 100M depending on what other positive information surfaces. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 27, 2015 17:37:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't jump to conspiracy theories. This policy of requiring a more specific clearance from OFAC dates back years (since Puig signed in June 2012) and exists for a reason-- to try and use the threat of a felony conviction to prevent fraud in the defection/residency process. If anything, if MLB suddenly decided to change the policy it's had for 2+ years just to allow Moncada to sign with big-market teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, etc., that would be the real indicator of shenanigans. Ok, back to reality. I'd love to see a poll or survey similar to what Amfox did with Lester and his max bid. Essentially what is the max you would be comfortable with the Sox paying for Moncada. Right now I would be ok with a 90M total commitment, and I'd probably be willing to bump that up to 100M depending on what other positive information surfaces. Given that it's a one-time expense that has no impact whatsoever on the luxury tax, we have no way of knowing the answer. We typically accept that they shoot for staying under the tax limit and that's their budget. So this is really hard to answer. Would they include the money spent on Moncada in their internal annual budget spread out over 6 years? Or would it just be a single splurge item that JH spends on a one-time deal given that it's not going to happen again anytime soon, if ever? If it's the latter, I'd spend any amount of money since it's not mine. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 27, 2015 19:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jan 28, 2015 0:13:08 GMT -5
My god, I hope the Yankees don't sign this guy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 28, 2015 6:49:18 GMT -5
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