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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 28, 2015 9:01:31 GMT -5
Don't forget the Yankees already spent a lot on international. A interesting note they plan to fight Arod on that bonus money when he hits the home run targets. I think the Dodgers could be a pain and even the Giants. I mean is this strictly on money and maybe the kid wants to play for us or the Yankees growing up? Who knows.
At least if he is cleared now we have a better chance at him. I hope that Ben makes a run at him.
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Post by nomar on Jan 28, 2015 11:31:20 GMT -5
I don't think total cost reaches 100M.
At the same time, missing out on him would be a bigger loss for NY than for us. Im not too confident he ends up here.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 28, 2015 13:58:29 GMT -5
Or pass around a hat to take donations for whatever it'll take to sign this guy. The Yankees have been so quiet this offseason, it wouldn't surprise me if they'd be willing to go to $100 million with the penalty factored in. Would Red Sox ownership be willing to go that high is the question.
I doubt they would, but I'm sure the Dodgers or Yankees would. The Yankees are trying to make up for lost time by cornering the international market and Moncada would be the big trophy. The Sox aren't going to go toe to toe with the Dodgers or Yankees anymore than they'd pay the market rate for an ace pitcher. They'll spend money and they'll spread it around, but they're not going to put up that big an investment for a 19 year old kid. I wish they would though. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 28, 2015 14:18:30 GMT -5
Or pass around a hat to take donations for whatever it'll take to sign this guy. The Yankees have been so quiet this offseason, it wouldn't surprise me if they'd be willing to go to $100 million with the penalty factored in. Would Red Sox ownership be willing to go that high is the question.
I doubt they would, but I'm sure the Dodgers or Yankees would. The Yankees are trying to make up for lost time by cornering the international market and Moncada would be the big trophy. The Sox aren't going to go toe to toe with the Dodgers or Yankees anymore than they'd pay the market rate for an ace pitcher. They'll spend money and they'll spread it around, but they're not going to put up that big an investment for a 19 year old kid. I wish they would though. In your opinion. You forgot that part. |
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Post by burythehammer on Jan 28, 2015 14:29:45 GMT -5
Committing 150 million to a 30+ starting pitcher vs 80 million to a 19 year old position player is apples and grapefruits.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 28, 2015 14:53:25 GMT -5
I doubt they would, but I'm sure the Dodgers or Yankees would. The Yankees are trying to make up for lost time by cornering the international market and Moncada would be the big trophy. The Sox aren't going to go toe to toe with the Dodgers or Yankees anymore than they'd pay the market rate for an ace pitcher. They'll spend money and they'll spread it around, but they're not going to put up that big an investment for a 19 year old kid. I wish they would though. In your opinion. You forgot that part. That pretty much goes without saying for almost every post made here. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 28, 2015 16:38:36 GMT -5
I doubt they would, but I'm sure the Dodgers or Yankees would. The Yankees are trying to make up for lost time by cornering the international market and Moncada would be the big trophy. The Sox aren't going to go toe to toe with the Dodgers or Yankees anymore than they'd pay the market rate for an ace pitcher. They'll spend money and they'll spread it around, but they're not going to put up that big an investment for a 19 year old kid. I wish they would though. In your opinion. You forgot that part. Didn't forget it. Figured that was blatantly obvious. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 28, 2015 18:55:50 GMT -5
"In my opinion" and it's counterpart "the fact that" are common examples of sloppy writing. There difference between fact and opinion is almost always obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 20:01:53 GMT -5
Not sure if this is legit or not. But, according to his Twitter, Chavis has the phrase "Chief Chavis" trademarked. Perhaps it'll make more sense if he's ever traded to the Cleveland Indians, twitter.com/michaelchavis11 |
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 28, 2015 20:09:39 GMT -5
"In my opinion" and it's counterpart "the fact that" are common examples of sloppy writing. There difference between fact and opinion is almost always obvious. Except to the ESPN suits who suspended Bill Simmons for opining that Roger Goodell is a liar. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 17:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 29, 2015 17:33:13 GMT -5
"In my opinion" and it's counterpart "the fact that" are common examples of sloppy writing. There difference between fact and opinion is almost always obvious. Except to the ESPN suits who suspended Bill Simmons for opining that Roger Goodell is a liar.That's a fact. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 17:45:37 GMT -5
Except to the ESPN suits who suspended Bill Simmons for opining that Roger Goodell is a liar.That's a fact. Needless to say... On the other hand, how many consecutive games in a row did he say it ? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 30, 2015 23:10:34 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler 7m7 minutes ago OFAC sent letters to several Cuban players tonight saying they're already deemed unblocked. MLB policy change next? bit.ly/1Dp4cvs Ben Badler ?@benbadler 2m2 minutes ago My sense of the situation is that MLB will end up changing its policy in the near future. Then let the Yoan Moncada bidding begin. |
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Post by bentossaurus on Jan 30, 2015 23:40:36 GMT -5
Give this man his money!
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jan 31, 2015 0:01:31 GMT -5
the more I look at him the more I want him I hope Papi, Castillo+ bring him on board.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Jan 31, 2015 0:14:39 GMT -5
He's going to either the Sox, Yankees, or Dodgers.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 31, 2015 0:22:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Cubs and Rangers can't be happy.
But the Red Sox philosophy has been to add talent under 30. This is our chance to get our hands on a #1 pick type talent, they need to spend the money to get him.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 31, 2015 7:57:17 GMT -5
What is Moncada's position considered to be? I supposed if it's 1B he could play in Boston soon, but otherwise, what's going to happen? If this guy is so great, the envisioning wouldn't be that he'd break in when he's 24.
Plus, is he worth all the money, plus the penalties, PLUS the incapability to sign anyone significant for the next 2 years? How often are we going to hear moaning and groaning about other players available who can't be signed?
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 31, 2015 8:03:41 GMT -5
We already can't sign anyone significant for the next two years, right? I thought that bridge was crossed when we signed Espinoza and Acosta, blowing through our bonus pool.
That's even more of a reason to spend big on Moncada. We're already getting penalized, and we probably won't get another chance at this type of talent for a while, so why not go for broke?
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 31, 2015 9:05:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Cubs and Rangers can't be happy. But the Red Sox philosophy has been to add talent under 30. This is our chance to get our hands on a #1 pick type talent, they need to spend the money to get him. I don't see why they couldn't negotiate with him and if their offer is enough, convince him to wait until July 2nd to sign. They could definitely drive up the bidding. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 31, 2015 9:08:33 GMT -5
Not for nothing but they better make a run at this kid. They only signed two major people to go over the international pool. That's a hell of a punishment for two pitchers. This is the key to me. Make it worth it. Let's get this kid only if the scouts say so.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 31, 2015 9:09:19 GMT -5
What is Moncada's position considered to be? I supposed if it's 1B he could play in Boston soon, but otherwise, what's going to happen? If this guy is so great, the envisioning wouldn't be that he'd break in when he's 24. Plus, is he worth all the money, plus the penalties, PLUS the incapability to sign anyone significant for the next 2 years? How often are we going to hear moaning and groaning about other players available who can't be signed? Third or 2nd, but I'm sure he could play anywhere but catcher or shortstop. Maybe not CF. We already can't sign anyone for more than $300K for the next 2 years. I wouldn't expect him to break in right away. He'd need more than a year. If he was with the Red Sox, it's a good problem to have to make room for him. |
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Post by alnipper on Jan 31, 2015 10:33:56 GMT -5
At the end of 2015 Napoli will be a FA. If Moncada is MLB ready then Panda and Moncada will fill 1B and 3B. There will be room for him. Plus we'll get a draft pick for Napoli.
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Post by nomar on Jan 31, 2015 12:11:06 GMT -5
I'm not going to worry about his position. Moncada is said to be 2+ years from the majors, so we shouldn't jump the gun and say he'll be ready in 2016. He's a 2B, 3B, or CF if you want to maximize his value, but regardless, he's the kind of bat you find a place for.
I really don't want us to let him go to the Yankees. He's a perfect bailout for a team that has used its farm for slaughter. With Papi and Pedroia getting older, and prospects not always panning out, there's going to be a place of Moncada here. Hope we lock him up.
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