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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 31, 2015 13:37:03 GMT -5
Yeah, Cubs and Rangers can't be happy. But the Red Sox philosophy has been to add talent under 30. This is our chance to get our hands on a #1 pick type talent, they need to spend the money to get him. I don't see why they couldn't negotiate with him and if their offer is enough, convince him to wait until July 2nd to sign. They could definitely drive up the bidding. Because neither of those teams is going to offer that much more than any of the big spenders that are able to sign him now. Theoretically it could happen. But logic shows that the Cubs and Rangers have always lagged behind the Red Sox and Yankees in payroll considerations and ever since the Dodgers got new owners they have lagged WELL behind them too. So sure the Cubs could come out and say we will offer you $60 million to sign in July, while the other teams are offering $40 million to sign now. But the odds of that happening are low and Moancada could bring an offer like that to any of the teams that can sign him now and say "match this and I'll sign on the dotted line today." It just doesn't make much sense. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 31, 2015 13:37:29 GMT -5
I still think the Yankees are huge favorites here. Not saying the Red Sox (or the Dodgers for that matter) can't compete at that level. I expect they will and from all indications they are going be in there but I just feel this is such a perfect match for the Yankees, hard for me to see them miss out.
Hope I'm wrong and the Red Sox can get him but that's just how I see it.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Jan 31, 2015 15:17:10 GMT -5
I still think the Yankees are huge favorites here. Not saying the Red Sox (or the Dodgers for that matter) can't compete at that level. I expect they will and from all indications they are going be in there but I just feel this is such a perfect match for the Yankees, hard for me to see them miss out. Hope I'm wrong and the Red Sox can get him but that's just how I see it. This is spot on. The Yankees also haven't signed one of the marque cuban players (Cespedes, Puig, Castillo, Abreu) yet so Moncada might be a good place to start for them. I really hope the Red Sox do everything they can to sign him, I might offer 50M right out the gate. MLB network described him as a switch hitting Robinson Cano and how often does a 19 year old potential 3 hitter come on the market. Not to get ahead of myself but the Sox would be in great hands with a future lineup of RF Mookie Betts SS Xander Bogaerts ?? Yoan Moncada C Blake Swihart |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 31, 2015 18:38:24 GMT -5
I still think the Yankees are huge favorites here. Not saying the Red Sox (or the Dodgers for that matter) can't compete at that level. I expect they will and from all indications they are going be in there but I just feel this is such a perfect match for the Yankees, hard for me to see them miss out. Hope I'm wrong and the Red Sox can get him but that's just how I see it. This is spot on. The Yankees also haven't signed one of the marque cuban players (Cespedes, Puig, Castillo, Abreu) yet so Moncada might be a good place to start for them. I really hope the Red Sox do everything they can to sign him, I might offer 50M right out the gate. MLB network described him as a switch hitting Robinson Cano and how often does a 19 year old potential 3 hitter come on the market. Not to get ahead of myself but the Sox would be in great hands with a future lineup of RF Mookie Betts SS Xander Bogaerts ?? Yoan Moncada C Blake Swihart Since this guy can be acquired for money without blowing the farm system (though that would be a very small explosion for the Yankees) your probably right. But I'm going to need some sort of definition for "marquee". If you mean you can fit the name up on a billboard and draw eyeballs in, that's one thing. If you mean that the players you mention are cut from the same superior cloth, that's a whole other matter. Puig and Abreu have certainly looked good, though Puig flashed nowhere near the power in his second season that he did in his first. Castillo, on the other hand, has only played a handful of games in the majors, and Cespedes is a very mundane hitter despite a good rookie campaign. His bad habits have since gotten the best of him. Viciedo was quickly exploited in a similar fashion. He's fallen out of favor very quickly. As in any group of players, there's variability. So I think it's understandable that not everyone, including the Yankees, has been in on the bidding at this point. The difference with Moncada is that he's the first player that young to emerge from Cuba. A team will be able to extract maximum value from the guy. That, I think, will draw lots of bidders. I'm not convinced the Yankees come out of that scrum holding a contract with his name on it. There's a river of money flowing through the game right now, and there are quite a few teams that can make a serious bid. As a side note, this contract should provide a baseline for what a very good player is worth to a team during the years leading up to and perhaps through his prime, depending on the length. We don't have much of a feeling for that since teams control players through their arb years at a cost that is well below the player's value. That's not true of this guy. They'll own him for what will likely be his most productive seasons. There will be a lot of agents watching the bidding closely. This one is different. |
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Post by Guidas on Feb 2, 2015 12:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by gatorgreenwell on Feb 3, 2015 12:58:30 GMT -5
I don't know that I would call the Yankees favorites.
I think he could go to any of the teams that are expressing interest...Sox, Yanks, Giants, Dodgers, etc.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 3, 2015 15:36:50 GMT -5
Moncada declared a free agent by MLB, according to Jeff Passan on Twitter. Start your engines.
Here is the link:
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 3, 2015 16:32:49 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't drag on until July. If the Dodgers get their way, he'll wait until July 2nd to sign there so they don't have to break their handshake agreements they have probably made with other 15/16 year olds. But I doubt they'd announce anything before July 2nd so we might not ever know until that day. And teams like the Red Sox and Yankees could continue to up their bids until then as well. And the closer it gets to July, the Cubs and Rangers could also get involved.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 3, 2015 16:38:45 GMT -5
I don't see how this drags out until then, unless someone really outbids the Yankees (or Red Sox) I don't see it.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 3, 2015 16:41:21 GMT -5
I don't see how this drags out until then, unless someone really outbids the Yankees (or Red Sox) I don't see it. The Dodgers. I also wonder if a promise to fast-track him to the majors affects where he signs. That could be worth more than the difference between different bids (earlier free agency). If the Dodgers can't convince him to wait, that could affect how much they want to spend on him, because it would also cost them the prospects they have made agreements with, which they'd have to back out of. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 3, 2015 16:59:28 GMT -5
Badler implied on Twitter, while answering a question about the Cubs chances, that Moncada prefers to sign now.
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Post by jdb on Feb 3, 2015 17:13:28 GMT -5
I'd guess this happens soon. Maybe a few weeks. I think he would want to get into camp and get ABs before the season starts.
Edit: Jesse Sanchez on mlbtv saying he probably signs in the next few weeks so he can start getting ready for the season.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 3, 2015 18:10:16 GMT -5
Should we start a poll on where we think he signs?
Question: is it true his agent may actually cost him money if he demands an MLB contract as it will count against the Lux Tax? Or does he count no matter what?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 3, 2015 18:14:37 GMT -5
He can't sign a ML contract. It's aganst the rules. So he won't count against the Luxury tax.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 3, 2015 18:17:45 GMT -5
I'll be slightly stunned and completely elated if we land him. Think good thoughts, fellas.
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Post by nomar on Feb 3, 2015 18:18:28 GMT -5
I'll be slightly stunned and completely elated if we land him. Think good thoughts, fellas. This |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 3, 2015 18:23:23 GMT -5
Guidas requested a poll. He gets a poll.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 3, 2015 19:19:08 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't drag on until July. If the Dodgers get their way, he'll wait until July 2nd to sign there so they don't have to break their handshake agreements they have probably made with other 15/16 year olds. I wonder if this is really going to be a factor for teams that are seriously looking at him. The reality is you won't be able to sign any IFAs for two years anyway, and in the ensuing time we could very likely see a worldwide draft established, in which case I'm thinking that having good contacts in Latin America will become a lot less important. What's the use in developing a relationship with a kid for years when the only thing that matters is if he's available when you pick? |
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Post by charliezink16 on Feb 3, 2015 20:04:01 GMT -5
Thank god for this. While we sit in what I see as the sports calendar's dead period (SB-->Pitchers & Catchers), I can dose myself in baseless Moncada speculation. I'm all about Moncada, but Yanks are the best bet. Wouldn't surprise me to see NYY go after Moncada and one of the other two that Kiley McDaniel mentions. |
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Post by Guidas on Feb 3, 2015 21:40:29 GMT -5
Guidas requested a poll. He gets a poll. You rule. My head says MFY but heart and hopes went to the ballot box and voted for the Sox. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 3, 2015 21:54:45 GMT -5
Guidas requested a poll. He gets a poll. You rule. My head says MFY but heart and hopes went to the ballot box and voted for the Sox. I very much doubt that he's going to Boston - I would think he's headed for NY and the Yanks will spend whatever it takes to sign him. Imagine if the Sox did sign him what a future Red Sox team could potentially look like (assuming Hanley Ramirez is gone, Pedroia has severely declined or is fighting injuries and Sandoval is dealt) C: Blake Swihart 1B: Sam Travis 2B: Mookie Betts 3B: Michael Chavis SS: Xander Bogaerts LF: Yoan Moncada CF: Manuel Margot RF: Rusney Castillo DH: Rafael Devers Not very likely, but fun to imagine anyways. I can't see the Sox spending the $80 - $100 million required to sign him, but I can easily imagine the Yankees doing so. |
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Post by redsoxnh2014 on Feb 3, 2015 22:13:31 GMT -5
I'll be slightly stunned and completely elated if we land him. Think good thoughts, fellas. Best way to put it!
Let's be honest though, he's going to NY unless something weird happens. With Jeter and Cano gone, Tex in decline and Arod, well, being Arod, the great Yankee infield has basically evaporated and we all know how tolerant Yankee fans are of teams that can't hit. He'd have his choice what positionto play, and they certainly have the money to outbid everyone. Also, aside from the actual numbers he may put up, the Yankees could use a healthy infusion of star power to keep the fans happy. As much as I'd love to see him in our system, IMO the stars couldn't be aligned much better for a Moncada/pinstripes outcome.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 4, 2015 6:58:44 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 1h1 hour ago
Three different GMs thought to be in the Yoan Moncada mix said they are not, pointed to Dodgers, Yanks, Red Sox and warned about the Tigers
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2015 7:54:02 GMT -5
I cannot figure out what the Yankees are doing so nothing will surprise me. It almost seems like they're setting up to sell the team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 4, 2015 8:03:13 GMT -5
If you look at their contracts, they appear to be treading water until 2017. If that's the case, Moncada is an even better fit. They have a ton of money coming off the books after 2016 and 2017.
How they handle Nova compared to Tanaka should be interesting. Nova is a free agent in 2017. Had elbow tendon surgery last June and he's already throwing off flat ground. It's way too early but there's little to lose if he ends up with TJ.
It wouldn't shock me if they made Miller the closer with Betances set up. If they are going to suck in 2015 and 2016, why build up Betances arbitration dollars ?
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