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Post by kman22 on Feb 4, 2015 22:56:42 GMT -5
If Moncada said he was not concerned about getting to the majors, would you still sign him? I just think that comment is the IFA equivalent of BSOHL.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 4, 2015 23:12:16 GMT -5
Realistically, it will be 1b and DH for the Sox that most likely come available by the time Moncada is ready for the majors.
By then Sandoval could be at 1b or DH although he might not have the bat to justify it. Hanley Ramirez could be a guy they want to keep healthy and DH.
If one of those scenarios plays out Moncada could play 3b with Sandoval at either 1b or DH or more likely Moncada winds up in CF with Castillo shifting to RF and Betts shifting to LF if he isn't needed at 2b - assuming Pedroia stays at a fairly high level and/or healthy.
The Red Sox most certainly could use Moncada, particularly given that Ortiz will be retiring most likely in a year or two and they will need some middle of the order threats to replace Ortiz's production. Moncada and Bogaerts would look great in the middle of the order along with Swihart with Betts and Pedroia atop of the order and Ramirez and Sandoval most likely still in the lineup by 2017 or 2018, along with Castillo and perhaps Sam Travis.
I'll be disappointed if that's the reason given the Sox didn't go as hard after Moncada. They'll likely lose out on him because the Red Sox put a value on a player and if the price goes above the value the Sox walk away. I don't see the Yankees or Dodgers walking away.
I might argue with the dollar value the Sox put on Moncada. It comes down to investing versus rewarding past performance when deciding how to spend money. If Moncada is as great as scouts say he is, I'd rather see the Sox invest the money, but given their needs and their budget I would say the Yankees and Dodgers will place a higher value on Moncada and I would suspect NY walks away with him.
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Post by dewey1972 on Feb 4, 2015 23:47:56 GMT -5
Now that we know the Dodgers are in the running (something that I think was only clear in the last couple of weeks), I think they're the favorite. They don't have the revenue stream that the Yankees have, but I'd bet it's higher than the Sox. While the Sox (with Bogaerts and Betts) and the Dodgers (with Urias, Pederson, and Seager) have shown that it's possible to get elite amateur talent while fielding strong major league teams, they're all aware that this is a rare chance. While people saw the potential for Bogaerts and Urias to turn into top prospects, they were so young that the odds were very low it would all work out. Betts, Pederson, and Seager all well out-performed (at least as minor leaguers) their expectations. Moncada represents a high likelihood of being a star--something that only happens at the very top of the draft, where these teams never pick. For some reason I feel like Friedman, et al. get this in a way that Cashman doesn't, and they'll use their financial muscle to get him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 5, 2015 4:22:41 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the Dodgers here. The recent report citing insiders that the Dodgers were not likely to be serious made sense. Basically they were saying that they will be looking to rebuild their farm system and signing Moncada would mean losing the opportunity to sign many players over the next few years rather than just one this year in an expensive marketplace.
Next year could be a bonanza year if it becomes the first where the Cuba market openbs up. For a team like the Dodgers with money to spend, it seems much more logical for them to do what the Yankees did this year. They won't have the Red Sox and Dodgers as competition. At first the Dodgers worried me the most (in terms of competition for Moncada) but now I'm not so sure I'd even be interested if I'm in the Dodgers seat.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 5, 2015 6:55:21 GMT -5
Link?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 5, 2015 7:16:16 GMT -5
Hopefully, Sandoval is also tradeable towards the end of his contract as well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 5, 2015 7:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Feb 5, 2015 8:59:16 GMT -5
Hopefully, Sandoval is also tradeable towards the end of his contract as well. x2 This is what I've been hoping as well. Our 3B depth in the minors is already good and I think Hanley is better off at 1B/DH than him long term. Of course this is getting way ahead of ourselves, but whatever. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 5, 2015 12:48:05 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 5, 2015 13:20:52 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 3 min.
Am told Dodger interest is Moncada and Olivera, not Shields
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Post by taftreign on Feb 6, 2015 11:44:01 GMT -5
Listening to Effectively Wild Podcast Episode 609 with guest Kiley McDaniel talking about Yoan Moncada. A few things I found interesting from his discussion.
He believes the expectation is Moncada will be likely up in the majors at some point in 2016. This was of note to me because I had originally thought 2017 and for the Red Sox to "be competitive" in getting him to the majors they would need a plan to clear a spot for him by next season. What does that look like? A trade? Moving Pablo to 1st next season (Don't believe this was the initial plan when signing Panda)? He is essentially a 2B, 3B, CF type guy. Is the best option to move Hanley to 1B so Moncada can start in LF or start Moncada in RF then later have the option to move him to 3B? Use him as a rotational piece as in a 4th OF/ IF utility player the first season? Does Moncada care where he plays or does he just want to get his free agency clock started sooner?
The second note is Kiley mentioned Moncada as a switch hitter but noted the "knock" on him as a prospect is he is not as good from the right side and may end up giving up switch hitting in the future and hit strictly left side. I found it as a positive that he is better from the left side as this would fit a need of the current Red Sox roster to have another potential strong lefty bat for the lineup.
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Post by 1mpaz10 on Feb 7, 2015 7:35:07 GMT -5
Sorry if already posted
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Would signing Moncada move the Sox to the top of the best farm systems?
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Kiley McDaniel: Probably still #2 to the Cubs, but it would be close. Twins in that discussion as well.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 7, 2015 9:03:35 GMT -5
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Post by taftreign on Feb 7, 2015 13:13:55 GMT -5
Interesting article directly below the one you referenced on the link "Making sense of Moncada's top 5 suitors" which grades the so-called "Moncada Likelihood" as NY Yankees 9 (assuming it must be a 10 scale here), LA Dodgers 4, Boston 4, San Diego 3, and Detroit 3. I agree that the Yankees would be the betting favorite but I'm surprised at how big a gap this article believes it it. I'd have put LA and Boston more in the 6 to 7 range as if either chooses to go all in on Moncada they have the financial might to go toe to toe or beyond with NYY where as I don't suspect San Diego or Detoit to have that capability. |
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 7, 2015 13:36:04 GMT -5
Those 1-10 ratings were given by individual beat writers for each team. I don't think anyone thinks the Yankees are that big a favorite to sign him.
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Post by alnipper on Feb 8, 2015 19:51:47 GMT -5
According to MLBTradeRumors General Managers around the league can’t stop raving about 19-year-old Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada. “He could be the next Robinson Cano/Chase Utley, but more Cano. That’s the kind of potential bat we’re talking about,” one National League talent evaluator said. An NL GM told Cafardo that Moncada “may be better than [Yasiel] Puig or [Jose] Abreu or [Yoenis] Cespedes or [Jorge] Soler.” Meanwhile, one GM tells Cafardo that the middle infielder would still require some minor league seasoning before breaking into the majors.
GM's keep saying he's a middle infielder or 2nd baseman. Makes me think that their is even less of a chance the Sox will sign him, but I could be wrong.
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 8, 2015 21:04:43 GMT -5
According to MLBTradeRumors General Managers around the league can’t stop raving about 19-year-old Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada. “He could be the next Robinson Cano/Chase Utley, but more Cano. That’s the kind of potential bat we’re talking about,” one National League talent evaluator said. An NL GM told Cafardo that Moncada “may be better than [Yasiel] Puig or [Jose] Abreu or [Yoenis] Cespedes or [Jorge] Soler.” Meanwhile, one GM tells Cafardo that the middle infielder would still require some minor league seasoning before breaking into the majors. GM's keep saying he's a middle infielder or 2nd baseman. Makes me think that their is even less of a chance the Sox will sign him, but I could be wrong. I think you are. If we look at the present situation, no way does Yoan crack the Pedroia-Bogaerts-Pablo triumvirate. But I think the Sox FO is looking down the road considering that this kid may not be ready for two years. By that time, Napoli's contract will expire, Papi's age may catch up to him, and who knows about Dustin? Lots of opportunity for Moncada to grab a spot on the roster. |
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 9, 2015 6:53:01 GMT -5
If the Red Sox scouts also think he's going to be Robinson Cano then the current state of our major league lineup is 1000% irrelevant.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 9, 2015 8:58:10 GMT -5
According to MLBTradeRumors General Managers around the league can’t stop raving about 19-year-old Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada. “He could be the next Robinson Cano/Chase Utley, but more Cano. That’s the kind of potential bat we’re talking about,” one National League talent evaluator said. An NL GM told Cafardo that Moncada “may be better than [Yasiel] Puig or [Jose] Abreu or [Yoenis] Cespedes or [Jorge] Soler.” Meanwhile, one GM tells Cafardo that the middle infielder would still require some minor league seasoning before breaking into the majors. GM's keep saying he's a middle infielder or 2nd baseman. Makes me think that their is even less of a chance the Sox will sign him, but I could be wrong. He could also play 3B or possibly anywhere in the OF. I'm not worried about that part one bit. |
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 9, 2015 11:23:52 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 9, 2015 11:50:40 GMT -5
“@jeffpassan: The Padres are taking over the world: Sources say San Diego is working out Yoan Moncada today and plans to be aggressive in bidding for him.”
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2015 13:01:40 GMT -5
“@jeffpassan: The Padres are taking over the world: Sources say San Diego is working out Yoan Moncada today and plans to be aggressive in bidding for him.” Not too surprising that a team run by an ex-Rangers guy is going to get super aggressive in the international market. |
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Post by ramireja on Feb 9, 2015 13:17:15 GMT -5
This might be kind of weird to say, but I'm actually quite happy whenever I hear that a random team is planning to be aggressive in the Moncada sweepstakes. Don't get it twisted, I'll be ecstatic if he ends up with the Red Sox, but I'll also be very happy if ends up anywhere other than NY at this point.
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Post by nomar on Feb 9, 2015 13:35:54 GMT -5
If we're going to lose, I would love to see SD land him. Happy that they're finaly trying to make their fans happy. And with their spending and trading of prospects lately, Moncada would be a good way to beef up their farm again.
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Post by gatorgreenwell on Feb 9, 2015 14:01:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the bay area at either Oakland or SF. Oakland has a history of going after Cuban guys. (Cespedes) and SF does too (Carbonell) they also just lost Panda etc, so I think they might end up getting aggressive. I'd love him in Boston, but not sure how likely it is.
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