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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 10, 2015 19:25:10 GMT -5
He's certainly the closest, but he was considered a lessor prospect than Moncada is today and there is also reason to believe the market price for Cuban players has increased considerably. Plus the Soler signing happened before the new international bonus pools were in effect. That changes the playing field tremendously. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2015 20:04:19 GMT -5
Yup, both true. Could've been more erudite in that post but had to close the app quickly.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 11, 2015 8:30:49 GMT -5
I wish we could sign Moncada for 9 years, $30 million. What a crazy deal for Soler.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 11, 2015 11:07:30 GMT -5
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Post by alnipper on Feb 11, 2015 11:21:43 GMT -5
Can we put in his signing bonus something like each league he hits over .300 he gets a bonus?
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Post by jmei on Feb 11, 2015 12:17:28 GMT -5
Can we put in his signing bonus something like each league he hits over .300 he gets a bonus? The only incentive clauses teams are allowed to include in contracts generally relate to playing time (games played, games finished, plate appearances) or awards voting (top-whatever finishes in the Cy Young/MVP/Gold Glove/etc). Teams are not allowed to include performance-based incentives under the CBA, which your proposal would be an example of. Maybe you could try and figure out a workaround (for instance, Alex Rodriguez has bonuses tied to career home runs hit that look kind of like performance-based incentives, but which the Yankees have successful characterized as marketing bonuses instead), but bonuses like that are generally not permitted. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 11, 2015 12:58:57 GMT -5
Can we put in his signing bonus something like each league he hits over .300 he gets a bonus? The only incentive clauses teams are allowed to include in contracts generally relate to playing time (games played, games finished, plate appearances) or awards voting (top-whatever finishes in the Cy Young/MVP/Gold Glove/etc). Teams are not allowed to include performance-based incentives under the CBA, which your proposal would be an example of. Maybe you could try and figure out a workaround (for instance, Alex Rodriguez has bonuses tied to career home runs hit that look kind of like performance-based incentives, but which the Yankees have successful characterized as marketing bonuses instead), but bonuses like that are generally not permitted. But this is more like a bonus on a signing bonus, not a salary. I doubt they could even do that. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 11, 2015 14:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 11, 2015 15:32:55 GMT -5
Man, wait until Moncada fills in a little.
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Post by raftsox on Feb 11, 2015 15:45:05 GMT -5
Has it been mentioned in the previous 18 pages that the Cubs CANNOT sign Moncada unless he waits until after June 2nd? The poll is a little misleading.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 11, 2015 15:54:54 GMT -5
Some people were thinking the Cubs could offer so much more than anyone else and therefore could entice him to wait until after the July 2 deadline.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 12, 2015 7:17:03 GMT -5
This quote from the CPA representing him, "It's almost like somebody walks up to you and hands you a $50 million diamond and says, 'Take care of this for a few months. I've got to go. Bye,'" Hastings said."
The behind the scenes of this whole thing is going to be fascinating to read some day.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 12, 2015 15:36:11 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago
Source: Moncada worked out today for #Dodgers in Clearwater, FL. A number of the team’s top executives were in attendance.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 14, 2015 0:19:59 GMT -5
Kiley McDaniel's report from the Dominican on the Cubans there. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/cuban-prospect-emerges-while-others-move-closer-to-deals/This sentence makes you think:
For reference, in my top 200 prospects list that is coming next week, these Cuban players aren’t included on the list, but Moncada would be 8th, Alvarez would be 57th and Ibanez would be in the 150-200 range, while Olivera is ineligible due to his age and experience.It's only one analyst but 8th is a pretty far cry from 1-1 in the draft. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 14, 2015 0:27:10 GMT -5
There is nothing new from what he and Badler said they would have him in a top 100 earlier. 8th is very high and I'd venture to guess no one in the 2015 draft would be higher right now and no one from the 2014 for that matter, Prolly Rodon maybe but not sure.
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Post by jmei on Feb 14, 2015 0:29:29 GMT -5
Err... if I'm reading your post correctly, I think you're misinterpreting McDaniel's point. He's saying Moncada would rank 8th amongst his top 200 prospects in all of baseball, not his top 200 draft candidates. A guy taken 1-1 and immediately ranking in the too 10 prospects in all of baseball would definitely be a legit 1-1 pick.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 14, 2015 0:43:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I was just coming in to type that after I thought about it. His general topic was the July 2 timeframe so I think I made a connection that wasn't intended.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 15, 2015 7:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 15, 2015 8:00:13 GMT -5
The Sox haven’t had a reported follow up private workout, which is telling IMO.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 15, 2015 8:07:07 GMT -5
Yes, we're on to Yadier Alvarez
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 15, 2015 9:09:09 GMT -5
Yes, we're on to Yadier Alvarez Not surprising, but source? |
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 15, 2015 9:13:55 GMT -5
Not news, just a guess that if/when we don't get Moncada, and a last chance to get Cubans before the penalties kick in, Alvarez looks like a natural fall-back for $10 mil.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 15, 2015 10:03:39 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet that Alvarez goes for $20/$40.
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Post by 111soxfan111 on Feb 15, 2015 12:01:42 GMT -5
Not news, just a guess that if/when we don't get Moncada, and a last chance to get Cubans before the penalties kick in, Alvarez looks like a natural fall-back for $10 mil. Great write up on the Cubans here: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/cuban-prospect-emerges-while-others-move-closer-to-deals/McDaniels basically says he expects Alvarez to sign for $10m+ with the ceiling TBD by future looks though they will probably be very limited. $20-40m seems pretty high to me for an 18yo pitcher ... was thinking more like $12-15m but wth do I know. Not surprisingly, Kiley pegged the bidders as the teams already facing signing penalties but left open the possibility that another team might see him as good enough to take the 3 year restriction. With the usual caveat about renegging on verbal agreements with 2015 guys, seems reasonable to assume his market is limited to 6-7 teams... |
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Post by nomar on Feb 15, 2015 13:08:21 GMT -5
I could definitely see us getting Alvarez. We don't seem to be the aggressors in the Moncada sweepstakes at all, and we love high ceiling arms. Being screwed internationally the next couple of years, might as well grab a good spec while we can.
Really hoping we can consistently keep a strong farm, because those organizations that do are the most consistent (STL for example).
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