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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2015 2:06:51 GMT -5
This author (Heyman) doesn't seem to get the situation. He blames the $12-$50m range on the fact that some teams will be taxed at 100%. That would be somewhat true if the range was 100m but only somewhat because any team that signs him will be paying a significant penalty. There's also pretty much no way Moncada makes the majors this year. Any team doing that would be wasting controlled talent. I think Heyman just wanted to look like he knew something. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 20, 2015 16:42:19 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler 4s5 seconds ago
Per George King, the Yankees and Hank Steinbrenner watched Yoan Moncada in another private workout yesterday:
Close the polls, it's a wrap
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 20, 2015 16:46:08 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 20, 2015 16:49:26 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler 28s28 seconds ago
Sounds like the Yankees workout will be the last private workout for Yoan Moncada. Expectation among people involved is he signs next week.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 20, 2015 21:45:17 GMT -5
Please. They have him in for THREE workouts, including one with the owner present (clearly this is the kind of move that an owner must approve) but they're not willing to give him what we all know he's going to get? I hope I'm dead wrong, but they're clearly just using the media to try and muddy the waters/drive his price down. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 21, 2015 0:06:24 GMT -5
Please. They have him in for THREE workouts, including one with the owner present (clearly this is the kind of move that an owner must approve) but they're not willing to give him what we all know he's going to get? I hope I'm dead wrong, but they're clearly just using the media to try and muddy the waters/drive his price down. Isn't it possible that they see something during the workouts that makes them think he isn't worth the money? Or perhaps that ownership insisted on another workout because they're skeptical that this kid is worth that much? These are actual workouts, not recruiting visits or something. More workouts doesn't necessarily mean more interest. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 21, 2015 1:53:04 GMT -5
It's my daughter's 5th birthday party today. In about three hours, there will be two pastors at my house and we're next to a church who will be holding their Sabbath services complete with loud singing and a vocal fire and brimstone preacher with a microphone. Now the question, are both Moncada and Alvarez too much to ask for ?
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Post by jmei on Feb 21, 2015 10:18:21 GMT -5
Please. They have him in for THREE workouts, including one with the owner present (clearly this is the kind of move that an owner must approve) but they're not willing to give him what we all know he's going to get? I hope I'm dead wrong, but they're clearly just using the media to try and muddy the waters/drive his price down. Isn't it possible that they see something during the workouts that makes them think he isn't worth the money? Or perhaps that ownership insisted on another workout because they're skeptical that this kid is worth that much? These are actual workouts, not recruiting visits or something. More workouts doesn't necessarily mean more interest. Not to be too pedantic, but but holding more workouts because they want to learn more about him is pretty much the definition of interest. It doesn't mean they'll necessarily be the highest bidder or that they like him the most out of any of the teams, but it certainly does suggest that they're strongly considering making a competitive bid. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 21, 2015 11:07:08 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that they see something during the workouts that makes them think he isn't worth the money? Or perhaps that ownership insisted on another workout because they're skeptical that this kid is worth that much? These are actual workouts, not recruiting visits or something. More workouts doesn't necessarily mean more interest. Not to be too pedantic, but but holding more workouts because they want to learn more about him is pretty much the definition of interest. It doesn't mean they'll necessarily be the highest bidder or that they like him the most out of any of the teams, but it certainly does suggest that they're strongly considering making a competitive bid. I think that it is both that they have very high interest and want to have as many eyes on him to make the best possible assessment of his talent level/monetary worth. They are in this big time. I haven't heard much out of L.A. recently (run silent, run deep?) but I imagine that they and N.Y. are the two likeliest destinations if only by virtue of financial resources. Maybe I don't see the whole picture but if the Sox were willing to pay a presumably less talented Castillo 72M, a tag of 100M (penalties included) would not appear at all unreasonable to the winning bidder. Sure Tanaka was more established, but didn't that tag come in at 140-150M? |
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Post by alnipper on Feb 21, 2015 12:04:16 GMT -5
Living in Wisconsin and reading articles related to the Brewers, I don't see them signing Moncada. The Brewers already traded Gallardo to afford a bullpen arm.
I would really like the Sox to sign him.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 21, 2015 12:06:05 GMT -5
The interesting part of the article was its assertion that the price would be $30-50 million. I suppose this depends upon the transparency in the bidding, but coming from their house organ (King), is it possible that the yanks want to give the impression they are not bidding a lot in order to supress competing bids? If Mondaca's agent now tells Sox he has bid for $60, and they need to go to $70, they have some doubt that this is true (or, at least that the Yanks are not at $60).
Just guessing about the gamesmanship from an obvious plant article.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2015 12:08:35 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what people are thinking by their actions is pretty pointless. Either there needs to be a source that says "so and so is in the lead for Moncada", or it's all a bunch of wild guessing. Pick a number between 1-10.
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Post by dd on Feb 21, 2015 13:01:59 GMT -5
It could also be that there are differing opinions with they Yankee organization.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 21, 2015 16:37:09 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 21, 2015 16:56:26 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Feb 21, 2015 17:07:03 GMT -5
Funny to watch both sides try to limit price by insinuating that the other side is going to offer more than they will. I would have no problem with SD winning him, but if I'm a young star I think it would be an easy decision to go with a big stage team that wins more consistently, especially considering how batter friendly the AL East is. Their advantage is that Moncada would have the easiest path to the big leagues. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 21, 2015 22:35:15 GMT -5
? Not following the exclamation points. Nothing in that writeup says anything to me other than the Yanks know the Sox are interested and will spend the $$$$ to get Moncada. Are the exclamation points supposed to mean that the Sox are going to get Moncada? If the Yankees love him the way they say they do, he'll be a Yankee. They won't be outbid by the Red Sox. |
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2015 14:39:34 GMT -5
@joelsherman1: ICYMI Column 2 t.co/RW6zs6c29W I hear #Yankees won’t go crazy for Moncada, but a case why maybe they should |
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2015 14:40:09 GMT -5
@joelsherman1: was he’d be $100M plus, got $68.5M. Think #Yankees in strong at $20M-$30M, more than that, think they are extremely tentative
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 22, 2015 16:47:20 GMT -5
@joelsherman1: was he’d be $100M plus, got $68.5M. Think #Yankees in strong at $20M-$30M, more than that, think they are extremely tentative What does that mean? Is Sherman saying he signed for $68.5 M and the Yankees only bid $20-$30M? If so, who did he sign with and has anyone else confirmed this? |
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Post by bentossaurus on Feb 22, 2015 17:02:25 GMT -5
I think he´s referring to Yasmany Tomas.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2015 17:10:52 GMT -5
@joelsherman1: was he’d be $100M plus, got $68.5M. Think #Yankees in strong at $20M-$30M, more than that, think they are extremely tentative What does that mean? Is Sherman saying he signed for $68.5 M and the Yankees only bid $20-$30M? If so, who did he sign with and has anyone else confirmed this? @joelsherman1: With Moncada, wonder if $40M-$50M sign bonus is all agt driven and real $ will be more $20M-$30M. Remember buzz on Yasmany Tomas (cont) |
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2015 18:16:53 GMT -5
@redsoxstats: The Star-Ledger: Moncada's agent expects him to sign with a team by tomorrow. t.co/TgoGT4wfxP |
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Post by danr on Feb 22, 2015 18:48:30 GMT -5
It sure seems like Moncada's landing place is going to be the Yankees. I don't believe they are reluctant to spend the money if they think he is all that is supposed to be. How much do the Yankees get for their broadcast rights? The amount he will cost is not a big deal.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2015 18:50:32 GMT -5
It sure seems like Moncada's landing place is going to be the Yankees. I don't believe they are reluctant to spend the money if they think he is all that is supposed to be. How much do the Yankees get for their broadcast rights? The amount he will cost is not a big deal. I think the sox might get him |
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