nomar
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Post by nomar on Feb 23, 2015 11:57:09 GMT -5
OK, I can't remember the last time I went to NYYfans to soak up some schadenfreude, but I had some time this morning, and the Moncada thread's a doozy ... best comment so far: "Maybe Hal would've sold Babe Ruth to the Red Sox." Ha! This one is good too: Pretty broad and incorrect tweet. From what I understand. $30M in taxes for passing allotment $15M Moncada $15M Cuba |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 12:03:49 GMT -5
Ha! This one is good too: Pretty broad and incorrect tweet. From what I understand. $30M in taxes for passing allotment $15M Moncada $15M Cuba "will pay for" instead of "will pay to" |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 12:07:04 GMT -5
I suppose it's also possible that they start him out in Greenville when it's super cold up north.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 23, 2015 12:13:30 GMT -5
Does Moncada play 3B or 2B in our system? because according to the projected lineups he'd be booting the following people.
Greenville - Doubon/Devers
Lowell - Acosta/Chavis
Salem - Rijo/Witte
From a talent perspective it would look like Witte would be the guy who is expendable position wise, but would that be too aggressive moving him to high A??? It would also open up a path in Portland for later in the year and/or 2016 too if he was at 3rd.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 23, 2015 12:22:49 GMT -5
I think it will depend on how he looks in spring trainning, if he looks rusty or if he looks ready. If he is ready I think Salem is the likely place they send him. If he looks like he needs time maybe he goes to Greenville. One of the other guys stays back in extended and go to Greenville once Moncada is ready to move on.
But really let's get him in the system first then go from there.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 23, 2015 12:25:25 GMT -5
I'd send hin to the Bronx first in that bullet-proof glass car the Pope uses, drive him over to Queens and Manhattan. Then down to Salem.
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Post by ejenson on Feb 23, 2015 12:25:58 GMT -5
Bring him to Greenville and move Doubon to SS
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 23, 2015 12:29:56 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if he didn't start in Salem with a potentially quick move to Portland.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 23, 2015 12:34:18 GMT -5
Bring him to Greenville and move Doubon to SS Then where does Javier Guerra play? I guess Lowell is a possibility, but I think he earned a full season assignment and is more a promising short stop than Doubon is. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Feb 23, 2015 12:42:19 GMT -5
Moncada's signing bonus total cost would probably surpass what we paid to every minor leaguer in our system. If they sign him they are going to put him at the whatever position or level they think he is best suited for, regardless of that teams roster.
EditZ: Wow, I've been inactive in following baseball since I took my new job, but I missed the part that WE SIGNING MONCADA, and for a lot less than I thought it would take. Awesome.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 23, 2015 12:45:09 GMT -5
Moncada's signing bonus total cost would probably surpass what we paid to every minor leaguer in our system. If they sign him they are going to put him at the whatever position or level they think he is best suited for, regardless of that teams roster. I completely agree, I'm just pondering where that may be and what implications that could have on other guys. |
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Post by nothingball on Feb 23, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
I don't watch ESPN these days to listen to the speculation, but do we have a consensus of how his name is pronounced?
I've sounded it out as Yo-Anne Mawn-Cah-Dah. But I could also see there being some hard 'A' sounds, or silent 'Y's. Any idea?
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Post by suttree on Feb 23, 2015 12:58:49 GMT -5
So does Moncada immediately leapfrog Swihart as our best prospect?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 23, 2015 12:59:59 GMT -5
I'm guessing extended spring training then Salem.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 23, 2015 13:03:51 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 23, 2015 13:07:02 GMT -5
Joel Sherman ?@joelsherman1 9s10 seconds ago Tampa, FL Now hear it was #redsox #brewers #Yankees for Moncada. #Dodgers would have gone to $35M if waited until July 2 to sign Wait, what? Why did the Dodgers need him to wait? Does he mean Cubs? |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 13:07:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes no sense. I guess if teams didn't have to take the 2 year penalty, it may have gone that high. This was interesting: |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 13:08:27 GMT -5
Joel Sherman ?@joelsherman1 9s10 seconds ago Tampa, FL Now hear it was #redsox #brewers #Yankees for Moncada. #Dodgers would have gone to $35M if waited until July 2 to sign Wait, what? Why did the Dodgers need him to wait? Does he mean Cubs? No, the Dodgers wanted to sign all the kids they have agreements with already plus Moncada. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 23, 2015 13:08:56 GMT -5
Joel Sherman ?@joelsherman1 9s10 seconds ago Tampa, FL Now hear it was #redsox #brewers #Yankees for Moncada. #Dodgers would have gone to $35M if waited until July 2 to sign Wait, what? Why did the Dodgers need him to wait? Does he mean Cubs? Because the Dodgers are rumored to have multiple deals in place for J2 prospects. They can't reneg on those "deals" so they needed to wait. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 23, 2015 13:09:49 GMT -5
Joel Sherman ?@joelsherman1 9s10 seconds ago Tampa, FL Now hear it was #redsox #brewers #Yankees for Moncada. #Dodgers would have gone to $35M if waited until July 2 to sign Wait, what? Why did the Dodgers need him to wait? Does he mean Cubs? I think he did mean LA Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 · 2h 2 hours ago Keep hearing #Dodgers waiting to July 2 to spend on international mkt and are going to be very aggressive then |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 23, 2015 13:10:05 GMT -5
Wait, what? Why did the Dodgers need him to wait? Does he mean Cubs? Cause they want to sign some top July 2 guys too. Here is a tweet from McDaniels: @kileymcd: During my July 2 research, Dodgers were rumored to have a multi-million dollar deal, which seemed weird w/Moncada rumors. Now it doesn't. |
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Post by sierram363 on Feb 23, 2015 13:18:04 GMT -5
Fantastic move by Cherington. I wonder if there are any chairs being thrown in Cashman's office right now.
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Post by hockeypuck2008 on Feb 23, 2015 13:25:22 GMT -5
wow. Great signing
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Post by bjb406 on Feb 23, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
Am I missing something or is this totally wrong? I realize having to pay the tax up front makes somewhat of a difference but ultimately the Red Sox don't care where the money goes. They valued Moncada at 63m and if he was a free agent that's roughly what they would have offered him. Thats essentially correct, at least from the Red Sox perspective, although I suppose it could have gone higher if not for the additional penalties for going over the international spending cap. The Red Sox were already over, so it didn't concern them at this point, but any other team (except the yankees) would have also had to have been handcuffed in international signings for the next 2 years, which may have discouraged higher bids. |
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Post by marrcus on Feb 23, 2015 13:32:46 GMT -5
Does Moncada play 3B
Several factors in play. Does X become solid at SS, Papi (how much longer), and Dustin's continued production. People may move around for various reasons but I'm thinking 3b long term.
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