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Post by bjb406 on Feb 23, 2015 13:36:16 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand I am glad that it now feels like we went over the international spending limit for a reason, whereas before we were barely over and it felt pretty stupid. On the other hand, between Bogaerts, Pedroia, Sandoval, Betts, Marrero, and Cecchini, we don't realy have a need in the infield, and I don't really like paying that much money to one unproven 19 year old kid. Hopefuly everything works itself out, we'll see. Sort of feels like an extra #! overall pick that we had to pay like 6 times the normal rate for.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 13:36:38 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Feb 23, 2015 13:41:50 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if he didn't start in Salem with a potentially quick move to Portland. I agree that skill wise he's prob A+ ball ready, but could just as easily see him spending short stints in both Greenville and Salem then getting to AA quickly if he proves himself. It'll be interesting to see how we play it. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 13:46:24 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if he didn't start in Salem with a potentially quick move to Portland. I agree that skill wise he's prob A+ ball ready, but could just as easily see him spending short stints in both Greenville and Salem then getting to AA quickly if he proves himself. It'll be interesting to see how we play it. They might not want to put him in the whirlwind of being in 3-4 different cities this year. He might stay in XST and head straight to Salem when it warms up. It will be interesting. I want to know if he'll be invited to big league spring training so we can see a little of him. |
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Post by borisman on Feb 23, 2015 13:52:29 GMT -5
So does Moncada immediately leapfrog Swihart as our best prospect? Hopefully he will leapfrog Swihart in July while Swihart is putting up a 300/375/490 line in Pawtucket. |
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 23, 2015 13:55:41 GMT -5
Apparently there was at least one team that claims they would have started him in MLB (Padres?). I wouldn't be completely stunned if he went straight from XST to Portland.
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Post by nomar on Feb 23, 2015 13:59:17 GMT -5
Apparently there was at least one team that claims they would have started him in MLB (Padres?). I wouldn't be completely stunned if he went straight from XST to Portland. Do you have a source or tweet to that? Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 13:59:29 GMT -5
Apparently there was at least one team that claims they would have started him in MLB (Padres?). I wouldn't be completely stunned if he went straight from XST to Portland. That might be because they have WMB penciled in at 3rd. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 23, 2015 14:08:12 GMT -5
Muahaha, I know know one gives a shit about Felger and Mazz, but Mazz just this signing is an indictment on the farm system. And Felger is hinting that he is on roids.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Feb 23, 2015 14:09:55 GMT -5
People on this site are way more knowledgable then felger and maz.
Maz didn't even know who Moncada was a month or two ago.
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Post by kman22 on Feb 23, 2015 14:10:03 GMT -5
Muahaha, I know know one gives a shit about Felger and Mazz, but Mazz just this signing is an indictment on the farm system. And Felger is hinting that he is on roids. And he's their baseball guy... |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 23, 2015 14:13:09 GMT -5
Muahaha, I know know one gives a shit about Felger and Mazz, but Mazz just this signing is an indictment on the farm system. And Felger is hinting that he is on roids. And he's their baseball guy... It's pathetic that 98.5 keeps them on. Shock and awe rates better than knowledge I guess. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 14:17:47 GMT -5
That pisses me off when they make baseless claims like 'he has muscles so he might be on steroids'. I wish players would sue for slander when they do that crap. But I suppose there is no winning with these jerks.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 23, 2015 14:23:25 GMT -5
Am I missing something or is this totally wrong? I realize having to pay the tax up front makes somewhat of a difference but ultimately the Red Sox don't care where the money goes. They valued Moncada at 63m and if he was a free agent that's roughly what they would have offered him. Plus the $28-32 it will cost to actually pay him if he's good. $1 mil each of first three years, $5 mil year 4, two arb years at $10 mill. |
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Post by charliezink16 on Feb 23, 2015 14:30:49 GMT -5
Late to the party, but HOLY HELL WE SIGNED MONCADA
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Post by Steve Henley on Feb 23, 2015 14:32:07 GMT -5
The Cuban National Series is roughly equivalent to High A. He might start out in XST but barring injury he'll likely debut in Salem or Portland.
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Post by greenmonstah on Feb 23, 2015 14:36:29 GMT -5
Very excited for Moncada, and the risk is worth taking. People say that he is a 5 tool guy, realistically projects for 3-4 good tools at the MLB level. Not sure he passes Swihart as our top prospect quite yet, but with a great showing in Salem he could definitely jump up to the highest echelon of guys (Bryant, Buxton, Lindor, etc.)
Also, will he report to MLB spring training? I'm headed to Fort Myers soon to catch a few games, and was wondering if he'd be there. Doubt he'd play in games, but just curious.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 23, 2015 14:39:52 GMT -5
Sean McAdam ?@sean_McAdam 4 min.
Industry source: completion, confirmation of deal with Moncada likely "a few days'' away. Will remain in minor league camp when he arrives.
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Post by taftreign on Feb 23, 2015 14:42:15 GMT -5
I can understand how having to pay 30 million upfront would make some of the lower revenue teams hesitant to get involved not because they don't have the money but because putting a large portion of payroll on a riskier commodity is more crippling for those teams if he fails but the MLB teams also can pay the salary portion of the 30 million off over 3 years so this is not all a one year hit. Boston could easily pay Moncada 2 or 3 mil this season, eliminating some of the "he's making a much much greater amount of money vs the other minor leaguers" argument and pay 14 mil or so per year the next two spreading out the annual financial hit and directing the next two seasons of international budget towards his salary. And for the record I don't buy the argument that the lower revenue teams cannot compete financially. Perhaps not to the level of the $150+ mil budgets but when a team has a $40 or $45 mil payroll I am sympathetic to the fans of those teams. Granted the Dodgers $320 mil annual TV revenue is an outlier but Arizonas new TV deal is estimated to be North of $100 mil annually. This is in addition to whatever amount the teams share in national TV revenue and revenue sharing dollars from luxury tax spending. I 'm sure there are a few teams still riding out inferior TV contracts that hinder their financial swagger but should not struggle to field a 60+ mil dollar payroll. I for one don't think baseball needs a salary cap but instead a salary floor. But I digress. If anyone wishes to further this discussion I would recommend doing so in a separate thread so not to derail this one. |
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Post by atzar on Feb 23, 2015 14:45:34 GMT -5
Wow. I hadn't really kept up with this thread because I didn't expect us to sign him. Awesome!
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 23, 2015 14:57:07 GMT -5
With a team that strives for continuity, having this many people competing for the same jobs all over the field. One has to wonder when it passes "they push eachother" into, "it's freaking crowded"
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Post by nomar on Feb 23, 2015 15:07:11 GMT -5
With a team that strives for continuity, having this many people competing for the same jobs all over the field. One has to wonder when it passes ""they push eachothe", and "it's freading crowded" I don't think its a problem. I'm not sure Sandoval is even healthy enough to play period in 3-5 years, Ortiz is going to retire soon, Pedroia has injury problems, and Hanely could end up at 1B. Realistically there will be at least two spots open sooner or later, and you could look into trading guys like Castillo to make room for Margot, or trade Margot for pitching. Either way I don't see this as a problem whatsoever. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 23, 2015 15:12:38 GMT -5
With a team that strives for continuity, having this many people competing for the same jobs all over the field. One has to wonder when it passes ""they push eachothe", and "it's freading crowded" He's not crowding anyone out though. If anything, he probably slots nicely into that prospect bubble in the mid-minors. He'll be well ahead of Chavis and Devers, who are maybes to even break camp with the Drive. The infielders projected to be in Salem and Portland are not nearly as good as Moncada prospect-wise. Now, when guys actually converge on the MLB roster at the same time as productive MLB'ers you deal with it then. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 23, 2015 15:21:22 GMT -5
He's not crowding anyone out though. If anything, he probably slots nicely into that prospect bubble in the mid-minors. Yep. If anyone thinks Moncada is crowding something out, go to the top of the page, click on "2015 Projected Rosters," and take a gander at the Portland Sea Dogs projection. For all the depth in this system, there's a big hole in the pipeline right at the level Moncada will slot into ... I mean, granted, the Sox have fewer holes than say, picking a team at random, the Yankees, but it's not like they're stocked at every position. Of all the things to worry about in this precarious world, "too many good players in the minors" is just not one of them. |
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Post by bjb406 on Feb 23, 2015 15:22:56 GMT -5
anyone know whether this is a major league deal? So it would only be 6 years of control?
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