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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 23, 2015 15:24:47 GMT -5
anyone know whether this is a major league deal? So it would only be 6 years of control? It's a Minor League deal, per the rules. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 23, 2015 15:29:09 GMT -5
Muahaha, I know know one gives a shit about Felger and Mazz, but Mazz just this signing is an indictment on the farm system. And Felger is hinting that he is on roids. Those two clowns always feel the need to be the turds in the punch bowl. It's too bad. Mazz actually used to be a good reporter, but when the Sox lost out on Teixeira, he decided he had to become CHB. Felger never used to be good at anything other than being a jerk. There is no reason to crap on what the Sox have done. None whatsoever. |
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Post by nomar on Feb 23, 2015 15:39:47 GMT -5
Muahaha, I know know one gives a shit about Felger and Mazz, but Mazz just this signing is an indictment on the farm system. And Felger is hinting that he is on roids. Those two clowns always feel the need to be the turds in the punch bowl. It's too bad. Mazz actually used to be a good reporter, but when the Sox lost out on Teixeira, he decided he had to become CHB. Felger never used to be good at anything other than being a jerk. There is no reason to crap on what the Sox have done. None whatsoever. Those guys try to be Boston's Skip Bayless. They're trolls stuck in the 90s ways of focusing on BA and RBIs, and haven't progressed their thinking along with everyone else's. Waste of air time. Think about if they posted in this forum. They'd get chewed up instantly. Probably would help them learn a thing or two about baseball though. |
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 23, 2015 15:42:35 GMT -5
Point to grandsalami. Big Point. I'm so glad you were right! I can't believe the Yankees weren't willing to up their offer. How ridiculous. Somebody pointed out that the difference between their offer and the Sox offer was Stephen Drew's contract. Isn't that hillarious. The Yankees have all the money and they don't invest in the future? How stupid! I really like the Sox chances the rest of this decade. If (always a big if) they have the pitching, the Sox should be favored to take this division for the rest of the decade. Kudos to Ben for planning beyond Ortiz and Pedroia, something Nick Cafardo can't seem to comprehend. :-) |
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 23, 2015 16:01:14 GMT -5
Point to grandsalami. Big Point. I'm so glad you were right! I can't believe the Yankees weren't willing to up their offer. How ridiculous. Somebody pointed out that the difference between their offer and the Sox offer was Stephen Drew's contract. Isn't that hillarious. The Yankees have all the money and they don't invest in the future? How stupid! I really like the Sox chances the rest of this decade. If (always a big if) they have the pitching, the Sox should be favored to take this division for the rest of the decade. Kudos to Ben for planning beyond Ortiz and Pedroia, something Nick Cafardo can't seem to comprehend. :-) How many players have the Sox not signed for their Steven Drew contract, even the 4 months of the 13 million offer last year? Jose Abreu, Alex Meyer, Jordan Sheffield. At some point you have to draw your line, and just like the Sox did with Jose Contreras, sometimes you are saved from making a big mistake. |
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Post by mseskin on Feb 23, 2015 16:16:34 GMT -5
I cursed the sox fate of having the uber wealthy Yawkey die just on the eve of free agency- the "curse" would otherwise have ended long ago. Another way to look at it would be that if it weren't for uber racist Yawkey we would have likely won sometime in the 50s when we got Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays (both of whom we had first crack at) to go with Ted Williams. /off topic As for the topic at hand, obviously I'm stoked and can't wait to see him play in person (though I imagine I may have to wait a year if he starts in Salem). |
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 23, 2015 16:23:11 GMT -5
No one has asked the most important question of today? I'm disappointed. Now, did we sign Carlos Mesa, his mentor, as well?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 23, 2015 16:26:55 GMT -5
So - how awesome is today?
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 23, 2015 16:28:05 GMT -5
So - how awesome is today? Everything is awesome? Sorry. |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Feb 23, 2015 16:39:39 GMT -5
With all that the Sox have done this past season/offseason, is it reasonable to say that we have officially taken over the role of Evil Empire?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 16:46:40 GMT -5
With all that the Sox have done this past season/offseason, is it reasonable to say that we have officially taken over the role of Evil Empire? Getting there, but it was only a year ago that the Yankees spent a half billion dollars. We're getting to be the very effective version. |
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Post by gerry on Feb 23, 2015 17:05:04 GMT -5
Effective, efficient, still well under the mfy budget, so much under that of the LAD, yet able to compete because of its sooooo incredibly supportive fans, despite their being a David to the population, marketing and financial Goliaths of NYC and L.A. Not an empire, not evil, just effective and efficient and, with their upsized support of the New England community, also good role models for business and individuals. What's not to like?
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Post by dd on Feb 23, 2015 17:05:18 GMT -5
I love being an idiot pessimistic fan. Makes times like these so much more exciting! Pessimism is such a great defense mechanism. I'm with you on that. Today though I'm totally elated. The 2nd best sports high this month!!! |
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 23, 2015 17:13:46 GMT -5
With a team that strives for continuity, having this many people competing for the same jobs all over the field. One has to wonder when it passes ""they push eachothe", and "it's freading crowded" He's not crowding anyone out though. If anything, he probably slots nicely into that prospect bubble in the mid-minors. He'll be well ahead of Chavis and Devers, who are maybes to even break camp with the Drive. The infielders projected to be in Salem and Portland are not nearly as good as Moncada prospect-wise. Now, when guys actually converge on the MLB roster at the same time as productive MLB'ers you deal with it then. I happen to believe his contract notwithstanding, he's ready for the bug leagues in a year or so. then what. Have him in the minors another year for however many million. I just feel like they're going after the wrong type of players. IE a pitcher. And people can make claims tht it's trade ammunition what does that say about ppl that want to sign here? If Moncada is ready to play in the bug leagues, the only possible place for him is as at third. I'm glad people are seeing the sunny side up part of this, I just don't see a lot of common sense behind it |
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Post by jmei on Feb 23, 2015 17:33:58 GMT -5
With all that the Sox have done this past season/offseason, is it reasonable to say that we have officially taken over the role of Evil Empire? To fans of 28 franchises, we did so a long time ago. Ever since John Henry bought the team, the Red Sox have perennially been a top-five-payroll team, and frequently number two. Yes, there's still a financial gap between the Red Sox and the Yankees, but most of the country has long since forgotten that the Red Sox were plucky underdogs once upon a time. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 23, 2015 17:37:53 GMT -5
I happen to believe his contract notwithstanding, he's ready for the bug leagues in a year or so. then what. Have him in the minors another year for however many million. I just feel like they're going after the wrong type of players. IE a pitcher. And people can make claims tht it's trade ammunition what does that say about ppl that want to sign here? If Moncada is ready to play in the bug leagues, the only possible place for him is as at third. I'm glad people are seeing the sunny side up part of this, I just don't see a lot of common sense behind it I mean any time you're worried that a team might have too many good players you're probably overthinking it. |
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 23, 2015 17:40:57 GMT -5
Mike Loyko ?@nepd_Loyko 7m7 minutes ago
Heard a few things on Red Sox and Moncada.. Sounds like the Red Sox played possum and Yankees didn't take them seriously.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 17:46:33 GMT -5
Mike Loyko ?@nepd_Loyko 7m7 minutes ago Heard a few things on Red Sox and Moncada.. Sounds like the Red Sox played possum and Yankees didn't take them seriously. It gets even better. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 17:49:27 GMT -5
He's not crowding anyone out though. If anything, he probably slots nicely into that prospect bubble in the mid-minors. He'll be well ahead of Chavis and Devers, who are maybes to even break camp with the Drive. The infielders projected to be in Salem and Portland are not nearly as good as Moncada prospect-wise. Now, when guys actually converge on the MLB roster at the same time as productive MLB'ers you deal with it then. I happen to believe his contract notwithstanding, he's ready for the bug leagues in a year or so. then what. Have him in the minors another year for however many million. I just feel like they're going after the wrong type of players. IE a pitcher. And people can make claims tht it's trade ammunition what does that say about ppl that want to sign here? If Moncada is ready to play in the bug leagues, the only possible place for him is as at third. I'm glad people are seeing the sunny side up part of this, I just don't see a lot of common sense behind it If the Red Sox are choosing between Moncada and a 19 year old pitcher out there to sign for nothing but money that's a similar caliber to Moncada, I'd agree. But there isn't, and there likely never will be ever again. |
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 23, 2015 17:52:31 GMT -5
Mike Loyko ?@nepd_Loyko 7m7 minutes ago Heard a few things on Red Sox and Moncada.. Sounds like the Red Sox played possum and Yankees didn't take them seriously. Mike is a poster on this forum if I'm not mistaken, so maybe he'll expand if he can. It seems like the Yankees are not willing to go that extra level to land guys in their current state. I can get Cano, given their current issues with long term guys, but after dropping millions on 16-year-olds, not breaking the bank for Moncada just makes absolutely no sense, unless they didn't believe he could be worth it, and their "offer" was more for show than not. If they did believe he was worth it, you make sure you spend more on this guy since it doesn't impact any luxury tax issues for the next few years. Either way, the Yankees come out looking very poor in this situation, while the Red Sox add to a top 5 farm system with a near consensus top 10 overall prospect and a top 10 pick to go, in addition to elite talent just graduated from the prospect rankings. Credit to the owners for opening the wallet enough, but I have to imagine it took some convincing from BC not only to spend the $, but to show how/why this time in particular was worth it. Another checkbox for me in regards to Cherington |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 23, 2015 18:33:01 GMT -5
I hope that the guy turns into an all star....but being a 19 year old kid trying to make the majors...he could be known as
Moan Alotta
while watching him play.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 23, 2015 18:50:13 GMT -5
It's funny how we were getting called out for not having enough players of color a few years ago and now you can easily envision a scenario where eventually Pedroia is the only white guy in our everyday lineup.
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Post by nomar on Feb 23, 2015 19:04:52 GMT -5
People are trying to call the deal bad already by saying we overpaid.
I don't get how it isn't a good value. His actual contract will be like any other rookie and we have plenty of money to spend on bonuses and expenses that doesn't count against our payroll/luxury tax. People can be mad all they want, but it was just a matter of if your ownership wanted to pony up big for a non instantaneous return and was willing to sacrifice two years of IFAs. The contract itself is never going to be a problem and will actually give us a lot of flexibility in comparison to giving a FA 4y/60M right now.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 23, 2015 19:10:38 GMT -5
I happen to believe his contract notwithstanding, he's ready for the bug leagues in a year or so. then what. Have him in the minors another year for however many million. I just feel like they're going after the wrong type of players. IE a pitcher. And people can make claims tht it's trade ammunition what does that say about ppl that want to sign here? If Moncada is ready to play in the bug leagues, the only possible place for him is as at third. I'm glad people are seeing the sunny side up part of this, I just don't see a lot of common sense behind it I mean any time you're worried that a team might have too many good players you're probably overthinking it. Maybe not too much talent, but too many Imovable contracts/unproven expensive inexperienced commodities, just a lack of focus on what we'd need. I'm just throwing it out there |
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 23, 2015 19:19:23 GMT -5
I happen to believe his contract notwithstanding, he's ready for the bug leagues in a year or so. then what. Have him in the minors another year for however many million. I just feel like they're going after the wrong type of players. IE a pitcher. And people can make claims tht it's trade ammunition what does that say about ppl that want to sign here? If Moncada is ready to play in the bug leagues, the only possible place for him is as at third. I'm glad people are seeing the sunny side up part of this, I just don't see a lot of common sense behind it If the Red Sox are choosing between Moncada and a 19 year old pitcher out there to sign for nothing but money that's a similar caliber to Moncada, I'd agree. But there isn't, and there likely never will be ever again. there never will be, but proven good starters are worth more than unproven, hyped kids. I'd love to see him turn out to be puig, but I just worry about the fact he can never tread water in triple a, or advance in several years. Which is when we'd likely stick him at third (given the semiperfect storm in which Napoli is gone, panda wants to dh, and Hanley wants to play first. None of these are givens. I just see so much happiness on the board about signing him and I can see the excitement. Id be ecstatic with Hanley at 1st, Moncada at 3rd, Pablo at dh/3b/fb, and betts rusney and whoever else out there in a few years. It just seems like it's askin a lot and granted that's only one scenario, if he pans out. Judt worries me so many people are hemming and hawing that anyone would dare have doubts bc we just signed the next possible superstar. This is the only forum I can vent my concern with mostly informative and constructive feedback. Edit:I wasn't suggesting a 19 yo old pitcher his age and talent level st that contract not sure where you got that from. I spoke of a proven ml starter, which it seems are much Harder to find than "young Cuban future superstars" jury is still out on the castillos,tomas', Moncada of this world and it takes me bsck to how highly viciedo was hyped. |
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