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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 13, 2015 11:49:30 GMT -5
Kinda surprised by this. The Padres thought he was advanced enough to attend big league camp this year with a chance to win a spot on their team. If Moncada was to win a spot on the Red Sox he would have to jump Pedroia and Betts (and Holt and Weeks), on the Padres he'd have to beat out Jedd Gyorko. One of these scenarios is more plausible than the other. Of course, but there's a lot between low single A and the big-leagues. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 13, 2015 11:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 13, 2015 11:55:55 GMT -5
Greenville: Moncada, Guerra, Devers infield. WOW plus. Yeah, that's quite an infield ... but where does Mauricio Dubon fit into all of this? Maybe he'll play SS at Salem? I only care that he makes it to Salem for one of their trips up to Frederick. That needs to happen. |
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 13, 2015 12:01:45 GMT -5
Wouldn't Chavis also be in Greenville?
I imagine a lot of the decision is based on keeping him warmer early ins the season.
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Post by hockeypuck2008 on Mar 13, 2015 12:01:51 GMT -5
Good read. So the Sox signed Mesa too. Where does he play?
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 13, 2015 12:02:03 GMT -5
Once he shows he has the skills, I have no doubt he'll move very fast. The team has had no qualms about rocketing players through the system. I'd bet on playing time in Salem, and maybe even Portland if he shows he's ready. Realize he's just a kid, that he won't even turn 20 till the end of May. Patience, everyone. Read your post again. Do you see the irony? |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 13, 2015 12:04:01 GMT -5
Kinda surprised by this. The Padres thought he was advanced enough to attend big league camp this year with a chance to win a spot on their team. The Padres also thought trading for Matt Kemp and Will Middlebrooks was a good idea, and they think Wil Myers can player center field. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 13, 2015 12:07:31 GMT -5
Another big reason they will start him in Greenville is the weather. Portland would be a total shock to his system immediately throwing him into colder weather, but anyone who has been in the Salem, VA area in April can tell you it can get down right cold too. May is OK, and June is fabulous.
Now in Greenville, Moncada will (hopefully) get off to a fast start, get his confidence, and get comfortable. Usually Greenville is quite comfortable in April. I would not be surprised, if he starts there and gets 100 - 150 at bats, and starts his assent. Probably he will end up in Portland. Maybe he will only spend the last few weeks there, but he may scorch High A and move faster. I think it is smart starting him in Greenville to get his feet wet.
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 13, 2015 12:10:21 GMT -5
Another big reason they will start him in Greenville is the weather. Portland would be a total shock to his system immediately throwing him into colder weather, but anyone who has been in the Salem, VA area in April can tell you it can get down right cold too. May is OK, and June is fabulous. Now in Greenville, Moncada will (hopefully) get off to a fast start, get his confidence, and get comfortable. Usually Greenville is quite comfortable in April. I would not be surprised, if he starts there and gets 100 - 150 at bats, and starts his accent. Probably he will end up in Portland. Maybe he will only spend the last few weeks there, but he may scorch High A and move faster. I think it is smart starting him in Greenville to get his feet wet. Plus, Greenville's hitting coach speaks Spanish. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 13, 2015 12:27:12 GMT -5
Another big reason they will start him in Greenville is the weather. Portland would be a total shock to his system immediately throwing him into colder weather, but anyone who has been in the Salem, VA area in April can tell you it can get down right cold too. May is OK, and June is fabulous. Now in Greenville, Moncada will (hopefully) get off to a fast start, get his confidence, and get comfortable. Usually Greenville is quite comfortable in April. I would not be surprised, if he starts there and gets 100 - 150 at bats, and starts his accent. Probably he will end up in Portland. Maybe he will only spend the last few weeks there, but he may scorch High A and move faster. I think it is smart starting him in Greenville to get his feet wet. Plus, Greenville's hitting coach speaks Spanish. As does Salem's manager. I don't think that's much of a factor. |
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Post by mannofsteele on Mar 13, 2015 12:38:28 GMT -5
Any links to the presser yet? Probably a shot in the dark, but something I'd really enjoy to watch.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 13, 2015 12:44:41 GMT -5
Any links to the presser yet? Probably a shot in the dark, but something I'd really enjoy to watch. It's online at NESN. Coming to you from the great northwest |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 13, 2015 13:14:19 GMT -5
Good read. So the Sox signed Mesa too. Where does he play? Bench next to Moncada when he is not playing defense, on the on deck circle, hitting or running the bases. I think he's a 3B or the OF or something. But I don think they signed him because he has any kind of upside or something. |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 13, 2015 13:32:25 GMT -5
Usually Greenville is quite comfortable in April. I would not be surprised, if he starts there and gets 100 - 150 at bats, and starts his accent. What kind of accent do they have in Greenville? SCNR. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 13, 2015 13:52:57 GMT -5
Usually Greenville is quite comfortable in April. I would not be surprised, if he starts there and gets 100 - 150 at bats, and starts his accent. What kind of accent do they have in Greenville? SCNR. Very funny. I will change it. To your question: Southern Charm Y'all. 1st word Yoan needs to learn: hey. 2nd word: y'all. 3rd word: where is the ATM. |
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Post by stevedillard on Mar 13, 2015 15:11:02 GMT -5
So, leadoff against the Yankees tonight?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 13, 2015 15:47:02 GMT -5
Good read. So the Sox signed Mesa too. Where does he play? Bench next to Moncada when he is not playing defense, on the on deck circle, hitting or running the bases. I think he's a 3B or the OF or something. But I don think they signed him because he has any kind of upside or something. Seriously, phantom DL on whatever team Moncada is on. |
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 13, 2015 18:00:35 GMT -5
Greenville: Moncada, Guerra, Devers infield. WOW plus. Yeah, that's quite an infield ... but where does Mauricio Dubon fit into all of this? Maybe he'll play SS at Salem? I only care that he makes it to Salem for one of their trips up to Frederick. That needs to happen. Guerra in July and August in the GCL had 35 K and 3 BB while hitting .263 / .276 / .407. He impressed folks hugely by slugging .500 for nearly a month (June 30 to July 26) but obviously has tons to learn about the strike zone. I think it would a great deal of sense to keep him in XST to start the season, let Dubron play SS at Greenville, and then play it by ear. Guerra's path to the show will not be significantly marred by a year at Lowell at age 19, should he prove to need it (and that was Speier's guess in the BA Handbook). And have we entirely ruled out Chavis at SS? |
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Post by hockeypuck2008 on Mar 13, 2015 18:20:44 GMT -5
Good read. So the Sox signed Mesa too. Where does he play? Bench next to Moncada when he is not playing defense, on the on deck circle, hitting or running the bases. I think he's a 3B or the OF or something. But I don think they signed him because he has any kind of upside or something. LOL. Probably. So when does Moncada make his soxprospects ranking debut? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 13, 2015 19:24:23 GMT -5
And have we entirely ruled out Chavis at SS? Yes. He basically moved off the position midway through the GCL season and Speier said back in the fall that they don't see him as a shortstop going forward, probably starting him at 3B first. The funny thing about this cluster of infielders is that with Moncada and Chavis, we don't really know where they'll wind up (Devers is kind of a different situation, being that he may need to eventually move off 3B, whereas with the other two it's a question of fit). |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 13, 2015 23:08:18 GMT -5
Once he shows he has the skills, I have no doubt he'll move very fast. The team has had no qualms about rocketing players through the system. I'd bet on playing time in Salem, and maybe even Portland if he shows he's ready. Realize he's just a kid, that he won't even turn 20 till the end of May. Patience, everyone. Read your post again. Do you see the irony? Yup. He's just a kid... on a rocket sled (I hope). |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2015 3:02:42 GMT -5
Yeah, that's quite an infield ... but where does Mauricio Dubon fit into all of this? Maybe he'll play SS at Salem? I only care that he makes it to Salem for one of their trips up to Frederick. That needs to happen. Guerra in July and August in the GCL had 35 K and 3 BB while hitting .263 / .276 / .407. He impressed folks hugely by slugging .500 for nearly a month (June 30 to July 26) but obviously has tons to learn about the strike zone. I think it would a great deal of sense to keep him in XST to start the season, let Dubron play SS at Greenville, and then play it by ear. Guerra's path to the show will not be significantly marred by a year at Lowell at age 19, should he prove to need it (and that was Speier's guess in the BA Handbook). And have we entirely ruled out Chavis at SS? Just for reference, Guerra in the playoffs 8/19 with 2 2B 2 HR 2K 2BB and in his last regular season game, he had a granny. "while 19-year-old Javier Guerra is a potential Gold Glove defender at short with offensive potential."Alex Speier 108 stitches ADD: I don't disagree whatsoever with the plate discipline issue but I'm not so sure he's any better off learning that in XST than in low A. They could flip-flop Doubon and Guerra at SS/DH, neither seem like they'd be hurt defensively with a half season of that. It's also not out of the range of possibilities that Moncada, Guerra and Devers could move up the system close to in tandem. There's not all that much blocking any of them immediately above and developing working relationships with other Spanish speaking playmates certainly can't hurt. ADD2: Heresy for someone so young but Doubon's best path to the majors might be as an up the middle utility player, 2B,SS,CF. His tools would seem to serve him well in that capacity and with the NL likely to adopt the DH in the near future, that specialty could be valuable. ADD3: Some somewhat tiered Speier notes from 108 stitches:
The addition of Yoan Moncada, which became official on Thursday, leaves the Red Sox with one wave after another of high-ceiling position prospects. In the big leagues, 22-year-olds Xander Bogaerts and Mookie Betts both represent potential core players with All-Star upside. Blake Swihart (also 22) is viewed as having similar potential in Triple A.
Evaluators both inside and outside the Red Sox organization believe that both Rusney Castillo (27) and Manuel Margot (a 20-year-old who finished last year in High A Salem) have a chance to be at least solid everyday outfielders, maybe something more. Further down, third baseman Rafael Devers is an 18-year-old with middle-of-the-order upside while 19-year-old Javier Guerra is a potential Gold Glove defender at short with offensive potential. There are others as well, players like Garin Cecchini and Deven Marrero and Mauricio Dubon and Sam Travis and Michael Chavis ... |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 15, 2015 2:47:18 GMT -5
Reload the Yankee fans suicide gun:
But by mid-February, Hastings had improved his game. He challenged MLB's policy on unblocking Cuban players by the U.S. government. More impressive, he had $25 million offers from the Padres and Red Sox in hand before he approached the Yankees. The Brewers also made a competitive offer. According to Hastings, New York offered Moncada $25 million and gave him one hour to accept. Moncada eventually chose the Red Sox. Boston also signed Mesa.
"If the Yankees want to continue to say they didn't have the opportunity for a counteroffer, that's up to them," Hastings said. "l treated everybody with respect in bidding process. When it came to the final decision, Yoan was excited to be a Red Sox. He wanted to play for Boston. That's how it ended up. But other teams had every opportunity."
m.mlb.com/news/article/112636690/after-unique-journey-yoan-moncada-has-eye-on-future-with-red-soxIf you're Moncada and his agent, forget the number, compare the approach, 'go to 31' vs 'one hour to accept'. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2015 9:21:45 GMT -5
These negotiations get tricky. I'm sure the Red Sox felt more comfortable negotiating than the Yankees because they had developed a legitimate relationship with the parties and they learned that this kid meant something to Hastings personally and he wasn't just some client. Negotiating tactics get heartless because there is no trust between the parties.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 15, 2015 20:22:20 GMT -5
Post-mortems always, for obvious reasons, make the successful side look better than the losers ... it's "here's why things worked out." But I do think there's a genuine difference in the Red Sox and Yankees right now. The Cherington Era seems defined by a highly functioning decision-making process within the team. They are prepared when the moment comes and adapt as they go. They may make poor decisions sometimes (a few extra bucks for Jose Abreu would've been useful, and I'm still nervous about Masterson), but they are generally proactive and decisive. I never get the sense of them getting wrong-footed by events, and there's clearly a master plan being followed here.
The Yankees, otoh, are a mess. They weren't prepared for the Moncada negotiations, having to hold multiple workouts to attempt to convince ownership to set a good price, and then they issue a stupid "take this in an hour" ultimatum that completely misread the game Hastings was playing. They lurch around, sometimes profligate, sometimes oddly stingy. Their money will still help them, but they sure seem like a long way from glory.
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