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Post by jmei on May 13, 2015 12:58:10 GMT -5
I understand all you are saying and you make some good points. But let's not brush this over as all other MiLB teams have spanish speaking players who could help him get acclimated to the culture. Also, and this is my stupid point of the day, Ted Williams came back after not playing for three years. Look up his stats his first year back. He had a career average year. Again, not the same thing but if you can play, you can play. It doesn't matter how long you've been out or what planet you're from. Is your point that the fact that he hasn't been assigned to an affiliate yet suggests he can't play? Because I think the Red Sox gave us about 63,000,000 reasons to think otherwise... |
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Post by James Dunne on May 13, 2015 13:01:14 GMT -5
But why isn't he an All-Star yet? This new toy stinks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 13, 2015 13:08:36 GMT -5
1) Point about hitting a baseball above. Much different. 2) I'd be more inclined to value this anecdote if you were playing in the NBA. Your office pick-up game isn't professional baseball. (Nothing personal.) It's also not just about baseball. He's learning a new language and culture, both socially and on the field. As I've said, I think he's been in XST so long because they're planning on making any stay in Greenville, if there is one (good point made above about a potential change of plans, which could certainly happen), very short. If you're planning on strapping a rocket to him, then you better make sure he's ready for it. There is no reason to worry. If he gets a significant number of at-bats in Salem this year, he's still on course. I understand all you are saying and you make some good points. But let's not brush this over as all other MiLB teams have spanish speaking players who could help him get acclimated to the culture. Also, and this is my stupid point of the day, Ted Williams came back after not playing for three years. Look up his stats his first year back. He had a career average year. Again, not the same thing but if you can play, you can play. It doesn't matter how long you've been out or what planet you're from. And that's what made Ted Williams, Ted Williams |
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Post by jrffam05 on May 13, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -5
]I understand all you are saying and you make some good points. But let's not brush this over as all other MiLB teams have spanish speaking players who could help him get acclimated to the culture. Also, and this is my stupid point of the day, Ted Williams came back after not playing for three years. Look up his stats his first year back. He had a career average year. Again, not the same thing but if you can play, you can play. It doesn't matter how long you've been out or what planet you're from. Ted Williams was also 28 when he came back after already having a triple crown title and being the best hitter in the league during the 4 seasons he played in. And seriously let's not try to compare the MLB in 1942 to the MLB now. Our 2015 rotation would light that league on fire. I'm antsy to read about Moncada in the cup of coffee and scouting scratches too, but it's probably mostly driven by the lack of performance of the MLB team. Two weeks in A ball instead of XST isn't going to be a difference maker. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 13, 2015 13:23:43 GMT -5
But why isn't he an All-Star yet? This new toy stinks. I'm surprised there hasn't been a whiny article about it yet. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 13, 2015 13:26:35 GMT -5
There's only two weeks until the Salem Sox are in Frederick, MD, so let's get him up to Salem asap ... SoxProspects South would turn out in force for those games, I'm sure. Midweek games = no dice for first-year attorney who would need to leave work at like 2 to beat the traffic and just got extra time off to go on his honeymoon.  (Also missing a Sea Dogs weekend series in Bowie because my wife decided to visit that weekend, but hey, at least it's just Portland?) Just one of the advantages to being the ED for my organization ... although, honestly, going up 270 is such a pain on weekdays I probably won't do it if Moncada's not there. I'll wait until they're back in July. But, back on track and personal preferences aside, there's really nothing positive or negative about Moncada still being in extended spring training. There's no analog to compare him to and no timetable to judge him against. But I suspect this is far more about adjusting to the culture and professional environment than it is about baseball. He's a newly wealthy young man in a completely new environment, and the Red Sox made a significant investment in him. They want to do everything possible to make sure that investment pays off ... he's getting plenty of reps on the baseball matters in XST. A few weeks of game action either way isn't going to make much of a difference in the long-term. |
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Post by m1keyboots on May 13, 2015 13:53:22 GMT -5
Moncada hasn't hit at any level and Has disappeared in the field, where is P Abraham when you need him.
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Post by Gwell55 on May 13, 2015 17:41:21 GMT -5
There's only two weeks until the Salem Sox are in Frederick, MD, so let's get him up to Salem asap ... SoxProspects South would turn out in force for those games, I'm sure. Midweek games = no dice for first-year attorney who would need to leave work at like 2 to beat the traffic and just got extra time off to go on his honeymoon. (Also missing a Sea Dogs weekend series in Bowie because my wife decided to visit that weekend, but hey, at least it's just Portland?) Hey I thought attorneys bought planes for those short jumps. Looks like your going to have to get with the program. Heck our attorney here has a LearJet cuz he is so far out in the boonies and then he rents it out when he isn't in it. Get with the program so we can get our info faster!!! |
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Post by borisman on May 14, 2015 6:06:53 GMT -5
I understand all you are saying and you make some good points. But let's not brush this over as all other MiLB teams have spanish speaking players who could help him get acclimated to the culture. Also, and this is my stupid point of the day, Ted Williams came back after not playing for three years. Look up his stats his first year back. He had a career average year. Again, not the same thing but if you can play, you can play. It doesn't matter how long you've been out or what planet you're from. Is your point that the fact that he hasn't been assigned to an affiliate yet suggests he can't play? Because I think the Red Sox gave us about 63,000,000 reasons to think otherwise... No, my point is it shouldn't take this long to get up to speed and start playing in real games. There's 63,000,000 reasons why he should already be out there. You guys have inside info. Why don't you share some of it or is there a gag order in affect? WHY ISN'T HE PLAYING YET? And for those replying to my comment about Ted Williams, really? You took all of that serious? The only point in that comment was that you can be out of professional baseball for a while and it doesn't take 6 months of spring training to get your timing back. |
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Post by wcp3 on May 14, 2015 6:25:46 GMT -5
Is borisman being serious right now?
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Post by jmei on May 14, 2015 6:46:55 GMT -5
[you can be out of professional baseball for a while and it doesn't take 6 months of spring training to get your timing back. It's been two and a half months for Moncada. Glad to see we're at the point of just making stuff up to emphasize your point, though. |
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Post by mgoetze on May 14, 2015 6:48:08 GMT -5
You guys have inside info. Why don't you share some of it or is there a gag order in affect? LOL! (Good joke, but it's "effect", not "affect".) |
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Post by stevedillard on May 14, 2015 7:31:44 GMT -5
Look, it is a bit curious. Not alarming per se, but I'd love to know if the cultural jump is bigger than they/ we thought.
Young man with freedom and a lot of money, new culture, maybe they want to watch the first couple of months without him having free time on the road and outside influences.
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Post by jmei on May 14, 2015 7:38:34 GMT -5
Look, it is a bit curious. Not alarming per se, but I'd love to know if the cultural jump is bigger than they/ we thought. Young man with freedom and a lot of money, new culture, maybe they want to watch the first couple of months without him having free time on the road and outside influences. Maybe. Maybe he sprained his ankle and missed three weeks and they just haven't disclosed it. The longer he stays in XST, the more curious it becomes, but it's not at the point where I'm really worried yet. |
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Post by nomar on May 14, 2015 7:48:23 GMT -5
People are frustrated that we don't know why Moncada is in XST still, but you can't be alarmed at this point. No reason to be.
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Post by James Dunne on May 14, 2015 8:06:45 GMT -5
For reference's sake, Xander Bogaerts was assigned to Greenville on June 9 in 2011 out of XST. So, while I expect to see Moncada before then, we could have about another four weeks before I start to wonder what's going on.
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Post by jimed14 on May 14, 2015 8:12:57 GMT -5
This isn't even something I'd expect sports talk radio to be complaining about yet, let alone this site.
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Post by youngbillrussell on May 14, 2015 8:20:47 GMT -5
People will complain about anything these days.
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Post by justinp123 on May 14, 2015 8:22:23 GMT -5
Maybe it's as simple as, they've invested a lot of money into this kid and don't want to rush him along just for the sake of rushing him along because of the hype. Maybe because of the potential they think he has, they don't want screw it up and just want to make sure they do the best they can to make sure he reaches it.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 14, 2015 8:45:45 GMT -5
C'mon guys, it's time to put this scandal to rest once and for all. What did SoxProspects know, and when did they know it? Until everything's out in the open, some people will continue to ask questions.
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Post by jimed14 on May 14, 2015 8:59:17 GMT -5
C'mon guys, it's time to put this scandal to rest once and for all. What did SoxProspects know, and when did they know it? Until everything's out in the open, some people will continue to ask questions. Those emails have all been deleted. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 14, 2015 9:09:29 GMT -5
We've placed the clues. The truth is out there. ........ The whereabouts of Yoan Moncada are going to be the subject of the new episodes of X-Files.
I'm just kidding though. Really the Illuminati are preventing the Red Sox from assigning him to Greenville.
OK, OK, really, kidding aside: the only real analogue we have is Jorge Soler. In his age 20 season, Soler got into 14 games at the complex in July before getting 20 in the Midwest League beginning in August. He spent 2013 in High A and started 2014 in Double-A before eventually making his debut.
Like I've said, as long as he's in Salem by like, mid-July, Moncada will be way ahead of Soler and in fine shape. The extended stay in Extended looks like it's cutting a little into his time in Greenville, but again, that could very well be by design. If you read our scouting report of him, the talent is there, but it's not like he's ready for the bigs right now (and I'm not sure what the hell was with the rumors that teams like the Padres thought he could start in the majors this season - that's kind of insane).
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 14, 2015 9:28:30 GMT -5
Oh great, now SoxProspects has lawyered up the thread ... typical behavior in a coverup. We need someone to flip and start to cooperate; my money's on Singer.
Seriously, though, I'm treating this as a joke because it is, in fact, a joke. As Hatfield points out with the one-and-only comp with Soler, we have nothing to judge this on, and once we passed the point of no return on Moncada being in Frederick for me to watch next week, what do I care? Because, really, that's the only reason for frustration: that we aren't getting any glimpse at him.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 14, 2015 9:29:03 GMT -5
The Padres also have Will Middlebrooks as their starting 3B.
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Post by borisman on May 14, 2015 9:33:04 GMT -5
Really the Illuminati are preventing the Red Sox from assigning him to Greenville. If you just admitted to this in the first place you would've saved 2 pages of noise in this thread. p.s. when I clicked on "quote" to reply to your post, it came up with your unedited message (....the "ok, ok, etc, stuff about Soler"). I think the Illumanti has it out for you by preventing you from completely editing your original post.  It was good to see though. |
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It was good to see though.