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Post by zoot on Jun 5, 2015 18:51:31 GMT -5
Thoughts? Hate to say it, but after checking the box score yesterday, the thought was Knoblauch, ugh.  Then don't say it. This is idiotic. |
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Post by klostrophobic on Jun 5, 2015 22:17:05 GMT -5
That would be a true shame if Moncada only equaled Knoblauch's career.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 14, 2015 5:46:46 GMT -5
Obviously SSS, so don't pile on, but for a guy projected to make Portland, between the unexpected time in extended spring training, and the slash line of .208/.296/.602
22 ks in 72 ab, I have to say I was hoping for a quicker adjustment.
Anecdotal reports have good ab with some loud outs, and the slump coincided with his hamstring injury.
Then there is the obvious bad fielding, which is far less unexpected.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 14, 2015 7:51:53 GMT -5
May be putting up my Moncada Greenville Drive shirt up on ebay......
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Post by nomar on Jun 14, 2015 10:17:06 GMT -5
The good thing is that there has been little to no doubt in people's scouting reports on Moncada. His tools are off the charts. He's just got to find himself at the plate, and hopefully take off from there.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 14, 2015 11:14:09 GMT -5
The good thing is that there has been little to no doubt in people's scouting reports on Moncada. His tools are off the charts. He's just got to find himself at the plate, and hopefully take off from there. It doesn't look like he is gifted as a fielder so maybe OF (see Hanley?) or DH. |
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Post by jmei on Jun 14, 2015 11:35:28 GMT -5
The good thing is that there has been little to no doubt in people's scouting reports on Moncada. His tools are off the charts. He's just got to find himself at the plate, and hopefully take off from there. It doesn't look like he is gifted as a fielder so maybe OF (see Hanley?) or DH. It is far, far, too early to be making this sort of pronouncement. At his age/experience, the scouting reports (which suggest that he has the athleticism to play any non-SS, non-C position on the field) are far more relevant than a month's worth of errors committed. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 14, 2015 11:35:54 GMT -5
The good thing is that there has been little to no doubt in people's scouting reports on Moncada. His tools are off the charts. He's just got to find himself at the plate, and hopefully take off from there. It doesn't look like he is gifted as a fielder so maybe OF (see Hanley?) or DH. I think he ends up at 3B or RF because of our long term 2B situation. I doubt his defense is as bad as it has been though |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Jun 14, 2015 13:49:19 GMT -5
Obviously SSS, so don't pile on, but for a guy projected to make Portland, between the unexpected time in extended spring training, and the slash line of .208/.296/.602 22 ks in 72 ab, I have to say I was hoping for a quicker adjustment. Anecdotal reports have good ab with some loud outs, and the slump coincided with his hamstring injury. Then there is the obvious bad fielding, which is far less unexpected. It's almost like he had not played any form of organized baseball for almost 18 months....... Oh wait, that's right he had not. |
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 14, 2015 16:17:35 GMT -5
Soler and Puig both had > .800 OPS after their 18 months off, so it is possible. In your view, what are your expectations the first year?
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Post by sdiaz1 on Jun 14, 2015 18:19:12 GMT -5
Puig was almost 22 when he made his first appearance in A ball (it was High A)after having some time in instructs and rookie ball. He also had a total of almost 600 plate Appearance in the Cuban League before defecting.
Moncada just turned 20, had lees than 400 Plate appearances in the Cuban league.
At the end of the day we are discussing a guy who has had a bad 82 PA sample. If you consider his absence from playing pro ball for 18 month, his youth and relative inexperience this should not raise any red flags.
The whole scouting world thinks this guy will be really good. Nothing in the past month has changed that.
As far as my expectations for him are concerned, I think he will end the year with a solid but not spectacular season. I imagine a WRC+ around 110. For what it's worth he currently at 78.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 14, 2015 18:22:59 GMT -5
I would give Moncada a complete pass until next year. Whatever he does this year is gravy. He needs a year to acclimate to US pro ball, a full offseason of training and spring training. Then we can start judging. My guess is that he'll be fine.
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 21, 2015 10:50:51 GMT -5
Chavis has been hitting the ball better lately. Has anyone seen him recently? Is he making the adjustments needed? He seems to have some pop when he isn't striking out.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 21, 2015 11:01:18 GMT -5
I fall back to his GCL season, where he was awful the first few months, then caught up and was tremendous. I don't know if this is a pattern we can expect, but it at least gives me comfort that perhaps he takes a bit to learn the league.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 21, 2015 12:09:50 GMT -5
I fall back to his GCL season, where he was awful the first few months, then caught up and was tremendous. I don't know if this is a pattern we can expect, but it at least gives me comfort that perhaps he takes a bit to learn the league. This indeed was Chavis last season. I was needlessly worried about over June and some of July last year. He made adjustments and really looked comfortable. I still think he needs to be sent to Lowell for a month or two to get regular at bats with Devers handling most of 3rd in Greenville. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 21, 2015 14:29:58 GMT -5
Or Devers could be sent to Salem.
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Post by geezergeek on Jul 15, 2015 19:49:33 GMT -5
Moncadas splits the past few weeks have been off the charts. Is he ready for Salem?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 15, 2015 20:39:45 GMT -5
Moncadas splits the past few weeks have been off the charts. Is he ready for Salem? There's been a bit of conjecture around that. I for one thought they might start him in Salem, but this was the right choice given the fact he hadn't been playing professionally for a while. He's gotten blistering hot and I'll guess that another week or so at this pace and he'll be moving up. The last few weeks have been revealing. He may be too much for the league at this point, and he'd only gain from exposure to more advanced pitching. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 15, 2015 21:03:05 GMT -5
His tools are outrageous. Trout-esque, though I doubt he gets to all of them like Trout obviously. His ITPHR today reminded you of his ridiculous power-speed combo.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 15, 2015 23:23:46 GMT -5
I would give Moncada a complete pass until next year. Whatever he does this year is gravy.  |
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Post by geezergeek on Jul 16, 2015 19:34:44 GMT -5
I looked at video samples of his first 75 at bats and his last 75. There is no comparison. His timing during the first 75 at bats was obvious rust. I would not be surprised if he finishes next year in Pawtucket.
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Post by nomar on Jul 16, 2015 22:29:07 GMT -5
Heard some chirping of Moncada potentially being bumped up to Portland rather than Salem.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 16, 2015 22:40:34 GMT -5
Heard some chirping of Moncada potentially being bumped up to Portland rather than Salem. Seems needlessly aggressive for a guy who isn't going to be in the majors this year. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 16, 2015 22:43:42 GMT -5
Heard some chirping of Moncada potentially being bumped up to Portland rather than Salem. Seems needlessly aggressive for a guy who isn't going to be in the majors this year. That was my take too, especially after his cold start in Greenville. |
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Post by radiohix on Jul 17, 2015 4:07:44 GMT -5
The only thing that may explain that is that they don't want Rijo, Dubon and Moncada on the same roster for lack of playing time.
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