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Post by jmei on Oct 13, 2015 17:44:00 GMT -5
It's too early to be moving him around based on perceived major league need. He's ~2 years from the majors, and a lot can happen in that time. The only reason you move him now is if you think he no longer projects to be an adequate defensive 2B.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 13, 2015 19:10:02 GMT -5
forecast: A+ ---- 6 weeks, AA ---- until mid-August......then a cup of coffee in Pawtucket. Benitendi could be on his heels.
2017 - one or both will be close to ready!
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Post by m1keyboots on Oct 15, 2015 18:24:17 GMT -5
If Hanley can play LF, so can Yoan. So can rocks Yaz begs to differ |
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Post by m1keyboots on Oct 15, 2015 18:27:36 GMT -5
And how long might he last there? AA by mid-season? He needs time to develop more tban 2B. I wonder who will join him at A+? The next wave is already forming, with the leading edge already visible. Until the snow is melted in Portland. I've noticed you don't have much posivity. Hanley and Yoan are comp diff players, or are you just projecting based the delorean |
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 15, 2015 20:07:49 GMT -5
And how long might he last there? AA by mid-season? He needs time to develop more tban 2B. I wonder who will join him at A+? The next wave is already forming, with the leading edge already visible. Until the snow is melted in Portland. Aww c'mon now. He won't be there until August 1st! |
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Post by jimoh on Oct 15, 2015 20:19:44 GMT -5
I've noticed you don't have much posivity. Hanley and Yoan are comp diff players, or are you just projecting based the delorean Are you secretly golden-tongued House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy? (Since members of both parties have been critical of him, I hope this is an acceptably neutral reference to politics.) |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 16, 2015 6:20:40 GMT -5
It's too early to be moving him around based on perceived major league need. He's ~2 years from the majors, and a lot can happen in that time. The only reason you move him now is if you think he no longer projects to be an adequate defensive 2B. I think you forgetting his MO; everything revolves around Mighty Mouse. You are right for now he's fine. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 16, 2015 7:28:02 GMT -5
Until the snow is melted in Portland. I've noticed you don't have much posivity. Hanley and Yoan are comp diff players, or are you just projecting based the delorean What are you talking about? I meant Moncada will be in Portland when the snow melts, which is way faster than most people think. That's a positive statement although exaggerated. I didn't say anything about Hanley. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 16, 2015 7:30:19 GMT -5
It's too early to be moving him around based on perceived major league need. He's ~2 years from the majors, and a lot can happen in that time. The only reason you move him now is if you think he no longer projects to be an adequate defensive 2B. I think you forgetting his MO; everything revolves around Mighty Mouse. You are right for now he's fine. That's all you doing the revolving. You are literally the only Red Sox fan I've ever met that hates Pedroia. |
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Post by nomar on Oct 16, 2015 9:44:29 GMT -5
I think you forgetting his MO; everything revolves around Mighty Mouse. You are right for now he's fine. That's all you doing the revolving. You are literally the only Red Sox fan I've ever met that hates Pedroia. |
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Post by michael on Oct 16, 2015 12:35:42 GMT -5
Until the snow is melted in Portland. Aww c'mon now. He won't be there until August 1st! Isn't that what he said? In Portland, August 1st when the snow is finally melted. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 16, 2015 20:13:12 GMT -5
I think you forgetting his MO; everything revolves around Mighty Mouse. You are right for now he's fine. That's all you doing the revolving. You are literally the only Red Sox fan I've ever met that hates Pedroia. Jimed14 for the record that's not true at all, in fact in a silent action I won a Pedrioa signed batting helmet. He's about my size and height and my mother would kill me if she knew that I would seek out a trade for him. That, a trade, of course is contigent upon if it works. I've expressed that totally logical opinion multiple times but you know keep saying the exact opposite because you are beyond logic and reason and look at Pedrioa as if you were 8 years old and he signed a baseball for you which is otherwise know as a fan boy. One of my favorite sayings is perception lags behind reality, try and keep up. |
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Post by gerry on Oct 17, 2015 2:21:56 GMT -5
That's all you doing the revolving. You are literally the only Red Sox fan I've ever met that hates Pedroia. Jimed14 for the record that's not true at all, in fact in a silent action I won a Pedrioa signed batting helmet. He's about my size and height and my mother would kill me if she knew that I would seek out a trade for him. That, a trade, of course is contigent upon if it works. I've expressed that totally logical opinion multiple times but you know keep saying the exact opposite because you are beyond logic and reason and look at Pedrioa as if you were 8 years old and he signed a baseball for you which is otherwise know as a fan boy. One of my favorite sayings is perception lags behind reality, try and keep up. What an epic battle, you two. The difference between a fanboy and a casual fan is that the fanboy (aged 8 to 80) will go into an auction with a Pedroia item in hopes of having the winning bid because he/she really values Pedroia and what he stands for, and will hang on to the item, show friends and family, even give it to a grandkid who also values Pedey and what he stands for. A casual fan bids to purchase a potentially valuable collectible which will one day be sold for profit. Both are legitimate fans, but they are different.. I think I learned that lesson when my mom threw out my shoebox full of signed baseball cards from the 40's and 50's, and I had them all from Ted to Mickey, after I moved away for work. The true value of most of those cards lay in happy memories. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 17, 2015 9:08:35 GMT -5
Jimed14 for the record that's not true at all, in fact in a silent action I won a Pedrioa signed batting helmet. He's about my size and height and my mother would kill me if she knew that I would seek out a trade for him. That, a trade, of course is contigent upon if it works. I've expressed that totally logical opinion multiple times but you know keep saying the exact opposite because you are beyond logic and reason and look at Pedrioa as if you were 8 years old and he signed a baseball for you which is otherwise know as a fan boy. One of my favorite sayings is perception lags behind reality, try and keep up. What an epic battle, you two. The difference between a fanboy and a casual fan is that the fanboy (aged 8 to 80) will go into an auction with a Pedroia item in hopes of having the winning bid because he/she really values Pedroia and what he stands for, and will hang on to the item, show friends and family, even give it to a grandkid who also values Pedey and what he stands for. A casual fan bids to purchase a potentially valuable collectible which will one day be sold for profit. Both are legitimate fans, but they are different.. I think I learned that lesson when my mom threw out my shoebox full of signed baseball cards from the 40's and 50's, and I had them all from Ted to Mickey, after I moved away for work. The true value of most of those cards lay in happy memories. Gerry, there is alot more kinds of fans than the two you laid out. A fanboy to me is one who never matured toward the game, that does not mean I've sold the helmet which I've had for a few years now for profit. I have no plans for it. It was won at a silent auction for charity, something more important than the game. I too have had cards thrown out, mid 70's, which my mother claimed got wet in the basement. I would have liked to have been the judge on that one. I've never sold my collection nor put much thought into what I'll do with it. 32 YO Pedey who just had a nice little comeback year at least he did from a percentage stat view even though they were all just below his career norms but of course you'd have to focus on the percentage stats and not the counting ones as he only played 93 games this year. Not to mention he's had 6 surgeries the past nine years (that is unless he gets another one this off season). His remaining contract is 16:$13M, 17:$15M, 18:$16M, 19:$15M, 20:$13M, 21:$12M, Is anyone of those seasons alot of money, surely not, is the duration of the contract in conjunction with his current age and injury history a concern, HELL YEAH! Only a fool or fanboy to blind to see what Pedey is and not what he was once would claim otherwise. After this August we won't be able to trade him without his consent but we will be stuck with him for his age, 33, 34, 35 ,36, 37 & 38 year of age. 6 more years! That kind of deal is rarely wise but the fanboys will say the yearly amount is not bad and that completely misses the point that it's the duration and not any 1 single year. Lets ignore his surgeries and declining performances and that his OPS was just below .800 this year. His peak was at age 27 & 28 years old back in 2010 & 2011 when his wRC+ was 128 & 133 respectively, which is the norm age wise per this chart on aging from fangraphs, www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/. I will not engage or respect the opinion of anyone who does not review that chart, understands it AND debates that not at least exploring the idea of trading him is not the right thing to do for the team. His play and attitude are fantastic however it plays against him in that it has and will lead to more injuries, I predicted that a year and a half ago and both last season and this season he's been hurt. I'm not happy about it nor a genius for predicting what should be obvious to someone who view this objectively. A couple posters here are way to subjective in this matter to see the light. I've seen a few come around on the idea and it appears more posters than not are open to the idea. It has nothing to do with liking a player or not and that's part of the point, when exploring or building a team for the future you need to be impartial and not let biases affect decisions. To about 3 posters here all the above means I hate Pedey, good grief. The vocal minority at its best. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 17, 2015 9:47:59 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread to Moncada.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 17, 2015 10:25:08 GMT -5
That's all you doing the revolving. You are literally the only Red Sox fan I've ever met that hates Pedroia. Jimed14 for the record that's not true at all, in fact in a silent action I won a Pedrioa signed batting helmet. He's about my size and height and my mother would kill me if she knew that I would seek out a trade for him. That, a trade, of course is contigent upon if it works. I've expressed that totally logical opinion multiple times but you know keep saying the exact opposite because you are beyond logic and reason and look at Pedrioa as if you were 8 years old and he signed a baseball for you which is otherwise know as a fan boy. One of my favorite sayings is perception lags behind reality, try and keep up. So why the derogatory term for him and why do you bring up trading him at absolutely every opportunity. I've never even said I wouldn't trade him, I just think it's ridiculous to think we HAVE to. Boohoo, we have to trade Mighty Mouse because Moncada might be ready to play in 2-3 years? That's just ridiculous. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 17, 2015 22:08:39 GMT -5
I don't see the problem. Trade Moncada or Devers and slot the remaining player at 3rd. Or slot Moncada in the OF. Personally, I'd be trying to find some team to trade at least some value for Castillo to attempt to get approximate value out of that signing. I'm not confident about recouping that cash in addition to the known lost value from the deals of Hanley and Panda going forward.
I think we are starting to regret losing Theo. That Cub team looks pretty impressive.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 17, 2015 23:20:14 GMT -5
What an epic battle, you two. The difference between a fanboy and a casual fan is that the fanboy (aged 8 to 80) will go into an auction with a Pedroia item in hopes of having the winning bid because he/she really values Pedroia and what he stands for, and will hang on to the item, show friends and family, even give it to a grandkid who also values Pedey and what he stands for. A casual fan bids to purchase a potentially valuable collectible which will one day be sold for profit. Both are legitimate fans, but they are different.. I think I learned that lesson when my mom threw out my shoebox full of signed baseball cards from the 40's and 50's, and I had them all from Ted to Mickey, after I moved away for work. The true value of most of those cards lay in happy memories. Gerry, there is alot more kinds of fans than the two you laid out. A fanboy to me is one who never matured toward the game, that does not mean I've sold the helmet which I've had for a few years now for profit. I have no plans for it. It was won at a silent auction for charity, something more important than the game. I too have had cards thrown out, mid 70's, which my mother claimed got wet in the basement. I would have liked to have been the judge on that one. I've never sold my collection nor put much thought into what I'll do with it. 32 YO Pedey who just had a nice little comeback year at least he did from a percentage stat view even though they were all just below his career norms but of course you'd have to focus on the percentage stats and not the counting ones as he only played 93 games this year. Not to mention he's had 6 surgeries the past nine years (that is unless he gets another one this off season). His remaining contract is 16:$13M, 17:$15M, 18:$16M, 19:$15M, 20:$13M, 21:$12M, Is anyone of those seasons alot of money, surely not, is the duration of the contract in conjunction with his current age and injury history a concern, HELL YEAH! Only a fool or fanboy to blind to see what Pedey is and not what he was once would claim otherwise. After this August we won't be able to trade him without his consent but we will be stuck with him for his age, 33, 34, 35 ,36, 37 & 38 year of age. 6 more years! That kind of deal is rarely wise but the fanboys will say the yearly amount is not bad and that completely misses the point that it's the duration and not any 1 single year. Lets ignore his surgeries and declining performances and that his OPS was just below .800 this year. His peak was at age 27 & 28 years old back in 2010 & 2011 when his wRC+ was 128 & 133 respectively, which is the norm age wise per this chart on aging from fangraphs, www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/. I will not engage or respect the opinion of anyone who does not review that chart, understands it AND debates that not at least exploring the idea of trading him is not the right thing to do for the team. His play and attitude are fantastic however it plays against him in that it has and will lead to more injuries, I predicted that a year and a half ago and both last season and this season he's been hurt. I'm not happy about it nor a genius for predicting what should be obvious to someone who view this objectively. A couple posters here are way to subjective in this matter to see the light. I've seen a few come around on the idea and it appears more posters than not are open to the idea. It has nothing to do with liking a player or not and that's part of the point, when exploring or building a team for the future you need to be impartial and not let biases affect decisions. To about 3 posters here all the above means I hate Pedey, good grief. The vocal minority at its best. I think it's funny how you seem to get in these arguments with multiple posters, and your response is invariably to claim that they're illogical, "can't keep up," or are making circular arguments. Since I know you love your psychology terms, look up "projection." Moncada isn't going to force a move any time soon. Trading Pedroia creates a hole at 2nd. Move Mookie and you have a hole in the outfield...again. Exploring a Pedroia trade makes sense if the contingencies and depth are there, otherwise it's just moving problem spots around, and at the same time losing a highly marketable player. Yes, he's in decline. Yes, he has 6 years left, likely all in decline. But he's probably still a 2-3 WAR player for a few years, which isn't a breeze to replace (see Ramirez, H and Sandoval, P, for the vagaries of filling positions via FA). His contract also becomes less of an albatross as time goes on, and the AAV less money relative to average MLB salary. But its end, $10M per WAR is likely to be the going rate, and he may still be producing that. I have no problem with the Sox shopping him, but I think that unless the return is an overpay, they're better off waiting until Moncada actually forces the issue...not two years in anticipation that he will. FWIW, ad hominem attacks are invariably the last bastion of the poorly debated argument. |
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 20, 2015 13:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on Oct 20, 2015 14:42:57 GMT -5
Those 49 SB's is still pretty sick. Did not expect THAT (production) out of him.
Also, didn't realize that Vasquez was (will be) ready to play (or is it participate?) in winter ball. Must have missed that (good) news.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 20, 2015 14:44:55 GMT -5
Those 49 SB's is still pretty sick. Did not expect THAT (production) out of him. Also, didn't realize that Vasquez was (will be) ready to play (or is it participate?) in winter ball. Must have missed that (good) news. Vazquez will be limited to DH duty. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 9, 2015 13:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 9, 2015 14:13:24 GMT -5
If 7 or 8 guys from Greenville go to Salem, that means 7 or 8 guys from Salem have to either be promoted, traded, cut, or demoted....It'll be interesting on guys like Rijo, Dubon & some other guys whose positions will be filled by the Greenville guys on where they will go. My father played in the minors & once was demoted because the org needed a catcher in Keokuk...so he went from high a (Billings MT) to low a.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 9, 2015 14:23:11 GMT -5
If 7 or 8 guys from Greenville go to Salem, that means 7 or 8 guys from Salem have to either be promoted, traded, cut, or demoted....It'll be interesting on guys like Rijo, Dubon & some other guys whose positions will be filled by the Greenville guys on where they will go. My father played in the minors & once was demoted because the org needed a catcher in Keokuk...so he went from high a (Billings MT) to low a. This is literally what happens in the minors every year. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 9, 2015 14:37:29 GMT -5
If 7 or 8 guys from Greenville go to Salem, that means 7 or 8 guys from Salem have to either be promoted, traded, cut, or demoted....It'll be interesting on guys like Rijo, Dubon & some other guys whose positions will be filled by the Greenville guys on where they will go. My father played in the minors & once was demoted because the org needed a catcher in Keokuk...so he went from high a (Billings MT) to low a. This is literally what happens in the minors every year. I'm aware this happens every year. Due to our solid farm system, there doesn't seem to be a lot of "filler" guys just taking up space. It's a great problem to have, it'll just be interesting who goes where when they're all fighting for similar spots. |
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