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Post by jmei on Nov 9, 2015 15:21:44 GMT -5
This is literally what happens in the minors every year. I'm aware this happens every year. Due to our solid farm system, there doesn't seem to be a lot of "filler" guys just taking up space. It's a great problem to have, it'll just be interesting who goes where when they're all fighting for similar spots. Eh, I don't know about that. Look at the 2016 projected rosters, there's a slight logjam between Moncada, Devers, Guerra, and Dubon at Salem, but that's just one extra player, which is easily manageable between the DH, regular days off, and injuries. At Portland, meanwhile, there's really only Rijo, and that's a similarly manageable situation (you rotate Moncada and Rijo at 2B/DH or move one of them off the position). It's not ideal, but I don't think it will materially affect their player development plans. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 9, 2015 19:11:27 GMT -5
Moved the Chavis posts out to his thread (after a detour when I accidentally moved all the Moncada posts there). Probably time to revive that one anyway, since he gets a real shot this year.
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Post by m1keyboots on Nov 14, 2015 9:59:37 GMT -5
I've noticed you don't have much posivity. Hanley and Yoan are comp diff players, or are you just projecting based the delorean Are you secretly golden-tongued House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy? (Since members of both parties have been critical of him, I hope this is an acceptably neutral reference to politics.) You've caught me, man you're good. Yes talk of politics is forbidden esp describing them. This is what I've noticed |
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 21, 2015 21:02:48 GMT -5
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 21, 2015 21:24:59 GMT -5
That video worries me some. Hasn't anyone told him about how Hanley Ramirez lifted himself to becoming LESS of an athlete? Moncada is a middle infielder. Middle infielders need flexibility and quick reflexes.....not huge muscles. Yoan was already ripped and filled out last year. Adding anymore size could actually hamper his upcoming season. Anything that may take away from his speed, base running, and defense is not in his best interest.
I'm sure each prospect is given exercises and guidelines for their off season workouts. I hope someone is staying in touch and even supervising his routines.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 21, 2015 23:30:53 GMT -5
That video worries me some. Hasn't anyone told him about how Hanley Ramirez lifted himself to becoming LESS of an athlete? Moncada is a middle infielder. Middle infielders need flexibility and quick reflexes.....not huge muscles. Yoan was already ripped and filled out last year. Adding anymore size could actually hamper his upcoming season. Anything that may take away from his speed, base running, and defense is not in his best interest. I'm sure each prospect is given exercises and guidelines for their off season workouts. I hope someone is staying in touch and even supervising his routines. haha relax. And there's little to no chance Moncada sticks at 2nd. He's likely to move to a corner infield spot or the OF. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 22, 2015 9:47:52 GMT -5
That video worries me some. Hasn't anyone told him about how Hanley Ramirez lifted himself to becoming LESS of an athlete? Moncada is a middle infielder. Middle infielders need flexibility and quick reflexes.....not huge muscles. Yoan was already ripped and filled out last year. Adding anymore size could actually hamper his upcoming season. Anything that may take away from his speed, base running, and defense is not in his best interest. I'm sure each prospect is given exercises and guidelines for their off season workouts. I hope someone is staying in touch and even supervising his routines. haha relax. And there's little to no chance Moncada sticks at 2nd. He's likely to move to a corner infield spot or the OF. Be kinda ironic, and very possible, if he takes 3B away from Panda. Talk about opposite physiques. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 22, 2015 15:06:52 GMT -5
Somebody get that kid a strength and conditioning coach. Shoulder shrugs are probably the least functional and one of the most pointless exercises you could do. You're a ball player now kid....not a pro body builder.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 22, 2015 16:27:19 GMT -5
Somebody get that kid a strength and conditioning coach. Shoulder shrugs are probably the least functional and one of the most pointless exercises you could do. You're a ball player now kid....not a pro body builder. That is so true. He is body building and that is not functional strength. Building your traps is not going to help him be flexible. |
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 22, 2015 16:32:15 GMT -5
You guys need to get Davey D on the phone stat
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 22, 2015 18:04:39 GMT -5
So, all this time we thought we had our future 2B or perhaps 3B, when in fact what we actually had was our future LF. I'm cool with that. But, that really does start the clock ticking for Castillo.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 22, 2015 19:20:01 GMT -5
Yeah, after what we experienced with Sandoval, I'm not gonna get on Moncada for being ripped, feels *** backwards
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 22, 2015 19:26:16 GMT -5
Yeah, after what we experienced with Sandoval, I'm not gonna get on Moncada for being ripped, feels *** backwards Yes it really isn't a big deal. Sitting on the couch and eating ho ho's is light years worse a problem than doing pointless exercises like shoulder shrugs. Still if this is representative of his workout routine I have to wonder if he's doing other exercises that are also not functional but might carry a heightened risk of injury. I'm sure the Sox will have plenty of people educating him and working with him over the years. Not a huge concern and he does seem like a genetically gifted freak. |
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Post by mjammz on Nov 22, 2015 21:28:18 GMT -5
That video worries me some. Hasn't anyone told him about how Hanley Ramirez lifted himself to becoming LESS of an athlete? Moncada is a middle infielder. Middle infielders need flexibility and quick reflexes.....not huge muscles. Yoan was already ripped and filled out last year. Adding anymore size could actually hamper his upcoming season. Anything that may take away from his speed, base running, and defense is not in his best interest. I'm sure each prospect is given exercises and guidelines for their off season workouts. I hope someone is staying in touch and even supervising his routines. I was waiting for one of these.. I'm not going to worry about the kid getting stronger and working out. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 23, 2015 8:11:44 GMT -5
They should just move him to RF now, so we don't have to wait for him to become acceptable at tracking fly balls when his bat is years ahead of his glove.
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 23, 2015 8:51:22 GMT -5
Not too worried about his flexibility at this point. He stole 49 out of 52 bags. I'd give him every opportunity to make it as an infielder.
Don't get me wrong - Moncada is quite a physical specimen... but I think people get really worked up over these work out videos/images. A lot of ball players are a lot more in shape than we like to think, we just don't see it because of the baggy uniforms (think Manny Ramirez). Hanley Ramirez is the same thing. We see the guy wearing a tight shirt and we think he's in the best shape of his life or something.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 23, 2015 9:27:16 GMT -5
I don't really think anyone here is too worked up, or that worried about it. Its not a big deal but I don't think it's a completely trivial one either.
Yes the kids career is not going to end because he's doing shoulder shrugs, he's not going to lose his flexibility to play the infield or steal bases either.
But if he's doing exercises that are completely pointless to anyone who is NOT a bodybuilder and not functional in any way that it may be an indication of one of the following:
1. He has not been set up with a strength and conditioning coach in the Sox system yet.
2. The strength and conditioning coach needs to be replaced.
3. He is not listening to or following the program laid out by a strength and conditioning coach.
Again I'm not overly concerned and I still have little doubt he might develop into an allstar, but it's something.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 23, 2015 9:39:29 GMT -5
I'm probably MUCH more sensitive to this because of the idiotic shape Hanley Ramirez came to camp this last year. Granted, I want Moncada working out and getting stronger. I'm just hoping he is working out correctly.
Do any of you remember when folks were surprised and some worried because Brady Anderson was doing most of his off season workouts using stabilizing balls? It turns out that stuff made his core much stronger and he went on to have a few really good years.
There are so many different ideas out there on what is baseball "shape". I'm certainly against going back to the ideas of the 1960's and before about staying away from weight training. Guys like Yaz actually showed how one off season can make a huge difference by changing their habits.
As someone who has worked out all of my life, I just want our prized prospect, Yoan Moncada, to be real smart. Some exercises are just for looking good!
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Post by mandelbro on Nov 23, 2015 9:47:05 GMT -5
I don't really think anyone here is too worked up, or that worried about it. Its not a big deal but I don't think it's a completely trivial one either. Yes the kids career is not going to end because he's doing shoulder shrugs, he's not going to lose his flexibility to play the infield or steal bases either. But if he's doing exercises that are completely pointless to anyone who is NOT a bodybuilder and not functional in any way that it may be an indication of one of the following: 1. He has not been set up with a strength and conditioning coach in the Sox system yet. 2. The strength and conditioning coach needs to be replaced. 3. He is not listening to or following the program laid out by a strength and conditioning coach. Again I'm not overly concerned and I still have little doubt he might develop into an allstar, but it's something. Exactly. Its not like he's going to die or something. Its just frustrating that its 2015 and this guy has access to the BOSTON RED SOX and he's rolling his shoulders while doing shoulder shrugs. He ought to know better and the organization ought to be teaching him how to train properly, not leaving him on his own to do stuff he learned from some meathead in Cuba. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 23, 2015 9:48:08 GMT -5
Not too worried about his flexibility at this point. He stole 49 out of 52 bags. I'd give him every opportunity to make it as an infielder. Don't get me wrong - Moncada is quite a physical specimen... but I think people get really worked up over these work out videos/images. A lot of ball players are a lot more in shape than we like to think, we just don't see it because of the baggy uniforms (think Manny Ramirez). Hanley Ramirez is the same thing. We see the guy wearing a tight shirt and we think he's in the best shape of his life or something. OK why is Hanley, playing LF, too bulked up but this guy...well 'he's just a strong athlete' so it's not the same? I agree with Steveofbradenton. I remember working out big time one winter years ago and then trying to play golf in the spring. I was so constricted across my chest and shoulders I could hardly make a turn....no flexibility. The only thing that went farther were my divots. I stopped lifting. Two months later the flexibility returned and I enjoyed the residual strength. I was nowhere near as jacked as this guy. He seems very admiring of his musculature. I recall another guy who spent his time bodybuilding and was enamored with his physique..Gabe Kapler...looked real good in a uni......couldn't hit the ball 400 feet. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 23, 2015 9:51:45 GMT -5
With what the RS have invested in this kid I can't see them just leaving him unattended for the offseason. I believe they are working with a lot of the minor league guys with language issues & cultural changes, I would assume this means diet & workouts as well.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2015 9:57:25 GMT -5
Hanley is too bulked up because we watched him play there last year and that was obviously a problem for him. Some guys are bulky and can be flexible enough and agile enough. Hanley couldn't because he showed he couldn't
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Post by mandelbro on Nov 23, 2015 10:01:12 GMT -5
Hanley is too bulked up because we watched him play there last year and that was obviously a problem for him. Some guys are bulky and can be flexible enough and agile enough. Hanley couldn't because he showed he couldn't That's not the point though. The point is that Moncada is doing something that no respectable personal trainer would recommend, that has no benefits and could tear up your rotator cuffs, and is posting videos of it because doesn't even realize it. That is not a comforting thought. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 23, 2015 10:04:17 GMT -5
If there's one thing I love about internet sports commentary, it's various professors of Bro Science criticizing a professional athlete's workout plan based on six seconds of video. More of these important takes please.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 23, 2015 10:05:57 GMT -5
Hanley is too bulked up because we watched him play there last year and that was obviously a problem for him. Some guys are bulky and can be flexible enough and agile enough. Hanley couldn't because he showed he couldn't Or it's possible that bodies are different when they're 21 than they are at 31. |
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