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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 11, 2015 17:07:37 GMT -5
Not sure I agree there's really been slippage or that's why those match ups didn't occur, but BB will always be able to scheme out a certain guy. Revis allowed this to happen while singlehandedly taking out whatever else BB wanted.
I'd happily say goodbye to Hightower if it meant keeping Revis for 3 years. But yea it'd have an affect.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2015 17:53:26 GMT -5
Sheard for 2/11. 5.5 guaranteed. Per Schefter
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 11, 2015 21:57:45 GMT -5
So this Revis conference call. He makes it seem like he wanted to be back with the Jets and the pats had Little to no chance at resigning him
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 8:45:14 GMT -5
I'm wondering if there will be any tampering charges. I mean, it's hilarious that the NFL is "investigating" Woody and if he tampered when he did it in a press conference. Just flip on YouTube, not need to investigate. Now do I think they should be punished for that? As a fan, nope, who cares it's pretty dumb. Do I think that had an effect on losing Revis? Not those statements but I believe the jets got word to him and that influenced him, but that's common practice. However,if the league is talking the game it's been talking this season and they acknowledge they are going town estimate and punish tampering then they have to punish the jets and reward the Pats. It's the only way they can be taken seriously and he said what he said tithe public so it can't be ignored and covered up as not enough evidence. If they do nothing it's an admission by the league that they believe there are degrees of tampering and it will be ok for any team to say they'd like to sign an impending free agent for certain dollars.
The Pats should get the Jets second round pick because it's Revis an all world player. It probably should be a first, but they won't take away atop 10 pick.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 12, 2015 9:06:10 GMT -5
I'm wondering if there will be any tampering charges. I mean, it's hilarious that the NFL is "investigating" Woody and if he tampered when he did it in a press conference. Just flip on YouTube, not need to investigate. Now do I think they should be punished for that? As a fan, nope, who cares it's pretty dumb. Do I think that had an effect on losing Revis? Not those statements but I believe the jets got word to him and that influenced him, but that's common practice. However,if the league is talking the game it's been talking this season and they acknowledge they are going town estimate and punish tampering then they have to punish the jets and reward the Pats. It's the only way they can be taken seriously and he said what he said tithe public so it can't be ignored and covered up as not enough evidence. If they do nothing it's an admission by the league that they believe there are degrees of tampering and it will be ok for any team to say they'd like to sign an impending free agent for certain dollars. The Pats should get the Jets second round pick because it's Revis an all world player. It probably should be a first, but they won't take away atop 10 pick. Precedent is that they will swap 3rd rd picks and will have to forfeit their 5th round pick. I wouldn't get too excited in regards to compensation. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 11:09:42 GMT -5
I'm not expecting much of anything because the NFL is a joke, but what precedence are you referring to?
I'm not sure last precedence will much matter anyways with the state of the NFL.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 12, 2015 11:14:07 GMT -5
I'm not expecting much of anything because the NFL is a joke, but what precedence are you referring to? I'm not sure last precedence will much matter anyways with the state of the NFL. Couple years ago San Fran "tampered" with Lance Briggs |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 11:36:06 GMT -5
Amendola new three year deal. Told you he wouldn't get cut.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 12, 2015 11:50:34 GMT -5
Amendola new three year deal. Told you he wouldn't get cut. Well, he took a pay cut. I'm sure Wilfork wouldn't have been cut either if he had been willing to take the veteran minimum instead of his previous contract. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 12, 2015 12:00:10 GMT -5
Amendola new three year deal. Told you he wouldn't get cut. Noone ever said he was 100% going to get cut. Just like with Wilfork and Browner (and Mayo to come), it's either accept a reduced salary or get cut. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Mar 12, 2015 14:15:06 GMT -5
For those that know the NFL better than I do:
If Browner just signed a contract for more than the one he had with the Patriots, why wouldn't they have traded him rather than release him?
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Post by jmei on Mar 12, 2015 14:26:30 GMT -5
For those that know the NFL better than I do: If Browner just signed a contract for more than the one he had with the Patriots, why wouldn't they have traded him rather than release him? Just a guess, but probably a combination of the following two things: - The Patriots couldn't have traded him until after the new league year started, and if he was on their roster at that point, he was owed a $2m roster bonus. Even if they traded him immediately after the new league year started, they'd still have been stuck with that $2m roster bonus as dead money on their 2015 cap.
- The Patriots project to get a 4th round compensatory draft pick for Browner signing the contract that he did with the Saints (assuming they lose more free agents than they sign, which looks like it will be the case), which, in combination with the above, was more valuable to them than whatever they would have gotten by trading him.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 12, 2015 14:29:20 GMT -5
For those that know the NFL better than I do: If Browner just signed a contract for more than the one he had with the Patriots, why wouldn't they have traded him rather than release him? Well, it seems like they were hoping he would test the market, the market would not be so great, and he would come back to the Patriots for less money. Seems like they misjudged. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 12, 2015 15:25:34 GMT -5
For those that know the NFL better than I do: If Browner just signed a contract for more than the one he had with the Patriots, why wouldn't they have traded him rather than release him? Well, it seems like they were hoping he would test the market, the market would not be so great, and he would come back to the Patriots for less money. Seems like they misjudged. Good point-- there's almost certainly a big element of this as well. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 12, 2015 15:50:13 GMT -5
Well, it seems like they were hoping he would test the market, the market would not be so great, and he would come back to the Patriots for less money. Seems like they misjudged. Good point-- there's almost certainly a big element of this as well. The Patriots aren't going to be playing man anymore, which is Browner's bread and butter. Just didn't fit the scheme, might as well save the 2 million bonus. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 16:26:45 GMT -5
A couple things:
So this basically proves Browner was not overpaid on his previous contract.
And they better be able to play man at least a good chunk of the time because if you play zone you get picked apart by good offenses. Hence, Brady moving the ball at will versus Seattle for 3/4 of the game.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 12, 2015 16:40:13 GMT -5
A couple things: So this basically proves Browner was not overpaid on his previous contract. And they better be able to play man at least a good chunk of the time because if you play zone you get picked apart by good offenses. Hence, Brady moving the ball at will versus Seattle for 3/4 of the game. Unfortunately, it sure doesn't look like they are going to have the skill players to play man. Ryan and whoever else they throw out on the right side won't have the size/talent to match up 1 on 1 against the guys they will see next year. If they try to go man vs Dez Bryant next year, he's going off for 300 yards. The Pats best hope right now is to get a strong push up the middle with Easley and pressure off the corners from Jones and Sheard. If their pass rush doesn't improve, it's going to be a long year. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 12, 2015 16:47:07 GMT -5
Someday, I will take the time to learn how the NFL salary cap works.
For now, I'll be content knowing that I knowing how MLB roster and transaction rules work.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 16:50:17 GMT -5
Someday, I will take the time to learn how the NFL salary cap works. For now, I'll be content knowing that I knowing how MLB roster and transaction rules work. It's really not as complicated as people think. There are a couple things that get it more complex if cutting a player like the post June 1 designation. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 17:04:19 GMT -5
I'm guessing it doesn't happen but there are reports that the Eagles will move Mathis and the Patriots are in on him. That would be a huge pick up.
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Post by jmei on Mar 12, 2015 17:12:03 GMT -5
A couple things: So this basically proves Browner was not overpaid on his previous contract. And they better be able to play man at least a good chunk of the time because if you play zone you get picked apart by good offenses. Hence, Brady moving the ball at will versus Seattle for 3/4 of the game. I mean, the Patriots thought he was overpaid, which is why they cut him. Any defense will be picked apart by good offenses. New England's so-called elite man-based scheme was shredded by the Packers last season and by the Broncos in seasons past, for instance. It's a give-and-take-- zone schemes can give up lots of short completions, but man schemes are more vulnerable to big plays and pick routes. It's not like you can't be successful with zone schemes-- the Seahawks have had far and away the best defense in the league over the past three years, and it has a lot of zone principles (though it has man principles, too). Plenty of other great defenses, including those of the Tillman/Urlacher Bears and the Dungy-era Bucs, have relied on Cover 2 zone looks. Here's the thing: if you have talented cornerbacks, a man-based coverage scheme is ideal. But if you don't, zone does a better job of hiding mediocre corners than press-man does. The Patriots certainly don't have talented corners anymore, and those they do have (Logan Ryan in particular) have had more success in zone schemes than they have in man coverage. |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 12, 2015 17:59:41 GMT -5
Someday, I will take the time to learn how the NFL salary cap works. Well, don't set aside an entire day, there's not enough meat on that bone. Anyway, Cromartie to the Jets. Looks like our CB depth chart will look something like this: Logan Ryan Malcolm Butler Kyle Arrington Alfonso Dennard Chimdi Chekwa |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2015 18:48:56 GMT -5
You need to be able to do both to mix it up and disguise things. Even last year they had to play zone if for no other reason than to let their corners survive the game. Like BB said if you don't then the other team will just run go routes and run you into the ground even on running downs.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 12, 2015 20:45:40 GMT -5
Ayers signed with the Rams. Pity, wouldn't have minded having him back. Also, Chip Kelly confirmed crazy.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 13, 2015 6:17:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing it doesn't happen but there are reports that the Eagles will move Mathis and the Patriots are in on him. That would be a huge pick up. I can't imagine it's for less than a 3rd, which is a lot to give up for a 34 year old. He makes $7 million this year. |
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