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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 12:53:56 GMT -5
The NBA commissioner and the MLB commissioner are also elected by, paid by, and work to advance the interests of their leagues' respective owners. The leagues themselves are not and have never held themselves out to be neutral parties between ownership and players.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2015 13:24:57 GMT -5
Neutral was the wrong word, but Adam Silver certainly doesn't operate on behalf of the owners; he does what's best for the NBA, and he isn't nearly as biased against the players as Goodell is.
Regardless, I'm not sure why you chose to nitpick that part of my post, seeing as how my point still stands. A week NFLPA combined with the Goodell being accountable only to the owners is why the NFL is this much of a mess.
No other league has such a lopsided balance of power.
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 14:49:27 GMT -5
Silver absolutely operates on behalf of the NBA owners-- just wait for the inevitable 2017 lockout. The fact that he is perceived as less heavy-handed than Goodell is not a reflection of any structural difference between the NBA and the NFL-- it just means he's better at reading his audience and acting appropriately (e.g., by quickly and decisively removing Donald Sterling). The same criticisms levied against Goodell now were levied against David Stern during his tenure, for instance. The power imbalance is more to do with the weakness of the NFLPA and less to do with the tyranny of the NFL.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -5
That's the same thing as victim blaming. The NFL is a tyranny because they are a tyranny. They aren't a tyranny because the NFLPA doesn't prevent it.
Kinda like a murder victim gets killed because someone killed them, not because they didn't defend themselves.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2015 15:56:57 GMT -5
Stern was a tyrant, but nowhere near as biased toward owners as Goodell.
I'm done with this pointless debate.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 11, 2015 19:27:40 GMT -5
Actually, the NFL explicitly represents the interests of the 32 owners, and the same is true for the other major professional sports leagues. Or in this case, 31 owners. Or really 2 owners who are just whining about not being able to win. Its more than two. The Giants and Cowboys owners have also been very vocal in their support of Goodell. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 20:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 11, 2015 20:24:44 GMT -5
Perhaps they deserve some credit for publishing his oped, but Dowd has nothing to do with CNN. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 20:45:47 GMT -5
Ahh, missed that.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 13:58:02 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/news/deflategate-brings-tom-brady-roger-goodell-court-065122020--nfl.htmlNo settlement. The questions the judge asked ups Brady's chances in my view. Surprises me. Sounds like he is considering facts, not just process. But he could be like Justice Kennedy ,SCJ. Just looking at the case verbally. Also wanted to note ,the lawyers are protecting themselves well. Look at what they said on Brady's phone. Goodell did not testify under oath today. He will have to next week if no deal is reached.
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 12, 2015 14:20:26 GMT -5
What makes you think Goodell will testify under oath? He is just required to go to the court and attend a second settlement conference/status hearing.
(Don't read very much into the judge's questions. His job is to make people feel uncomfortable in order to push settlement. Who knows what he really thinks is important.)
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 14:25:22 GMT -5
What makes you think Goodell will testify under oath? He is just required to go to the court and attend a second settlement conference/status hearing. (Don't read very much into the judge's questions. His job is to make people feel uncomfortable in order to push settlement. Who knows what he really thinks is important.) To the second part, that's why I mentioned justice Kennedy, he's known for that. The under oath for Goodell next week came from a lawyer talking on cnn. Sorry I didn't catch his name. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 14:34:56 GMT -5
Brady, Goodell ,and the lawyers are still in a room at the courthouse per ESPN. 3.30 east time.
The Judge also said what joshv02 just said. "Don't read anything into my questions."
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 14:40:58 GMT -5
ESPN has also reported that this court has upheld 66 of 68 cases reviewed under collective bargaining agreements,.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 12, 2015 16:06:01 GMT -5
I mean, the judge did ask for direct evidence and Nash basically admitted they didnt have any. Thats pretty damn important.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 12, 2015 16:14:44 GMT -5
I mean, the judge did ask for direct evidence and Nash basically admitted they didnt have any. Thats pretty damn important. It's only important if the judge decides that the preponderance of the evidence standard is inappropriate (e.g. because it was introduced in a policy that was not subject to collective bargaining), but that is not a given. |
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 12, 2015 16:32:36 GMT -5
The under oath for Goodell next week came from a lawyer talking on cnn. Sorry I didn't catch his name. I'm about 90% sure whoever that was is wrong. No testimony. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 17:04:22 GMT -5
The under oath for Goodell next week came from a lawyer talking on cnn. Sorry I didn't catch his name. I'm about 90% sure whoever that was is wrong. No testimony. Bummer, I want him to face the same jeopardy as Brady. I think he ended up having to testify under oath in the Rice case appeal? |
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 12, 2015 19:15:30 GMT -5
That's right. He was a necessary witness then. His testimony us quoted back to him in each nflpa brief as he essentially conceded much of their points.
But that wasn't in court.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 12, 2015 20:18:30 GMT -5
McCann now seems pretty sure Brady wins this.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 14, 2015 15:23:30 GMT -5
I'm about 90% sure whoever that was is wrong. No testimony. I think he ended up having to testify under oath in the Rice case appeal? Just wait for the defamation case. And then we'll get the league texts and emails too — I wonder what Kensil and Nash were up to these last eight months? |
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 31, 2015 11:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 31, 2015 15:04:49 GMT -5
Gary Myers @garymyersnydn 14m14 minutes ago
NFL never made formal settlement offer, but indicated willing to cut suspension to 3 games if Brady admitted DeflateGate guilt. No deal.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 2, 2015 22:38:43 GMT -5
If you're a Vince Wilfork fan, make sure you catch episode 4 of Hard Knocks (shortly after the half hour point). Big Vince lightens the mood by showing up to practice in jean short overalls, a cowboy hat, cowboy boots and nothing else. I'm still giggling as I write this.
We'll miss you Big Vince, best of luck this year.
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