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Post by grandsalami on Aug 7, 2015 20:19:40 GMT -5
“@adbrandt: Re Wells’ bias, NFL: Article 46 does not require an “independent” investigation, commonplace for NFL personnel other to investigate conduct“”
Lololol
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2015 20:36:26 GMT -5
It's a shame this isn't an actual legal case. It's a bloodbath.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 7, 2015 21:35:21 GMT -5
It's a shame this isn't an actual legal case. It's a bloodbath. What's really a shame is that the punishment that really hurts - the loss of a first round pick - is going to stand no matter how ridiculous this entire process is shown to be. The 0.6 wins a Brady suspension costs us pale in comparison. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 8, 2015 9:23:05 GMT -5
I would love to believe you guys, but even Wallach, who is more pro brady than others, is only giving him a 60% chance of winning. Garoppolo has looked awful in camp and there is a chance this suspension ruins our season.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 8, 2015 9:57:18 GMT -5
Not saying I have full faith in Garoppolo at this point, but he was awful in camp last year, and really good when he got into a game situation.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 13:07:35 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 8, 2015 15:36:56 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in non-DeflateGate news, Blount sprained his MCL.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 8, 2015 18:03:25 GMT -5
... but even Wallach, who is more pro brady than others, is only giving him a 60% chance of winning … Who is this Wallach and what does he know of Federal legal proceedings that he can foretell mysterious outcomes by percentage points? |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 8, 2015 18:22:13 GMT -5
... but even Wallach, who is more pro brady than others, is only giving him a 60% chance of winning … Who is this Wallach and what does he know of Federal legal proceedings that he can foretell mysterious outcomes by percentage points? He's a board certified appellate attorney who specializes in sports law. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 8, 2015 21:51:50 GMT -5
Who is this Wallach and what does he know of Federal legal proceedings that he can foretell mysterious outcomes by percentage points? He's a board certified appellate attorney who specializes in sports law. Thank you. |
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 9, 2015 7:09:53 GMT -5
Who is this Wallach and what does he know of Federal legal proceedings that he can foretell mysterious outcomes by percentage points? He's a board certified appellate attorney who specializes in sports law. The board certified thing is in Florida state courts. No one is board certified in federal court. Or in nearly any other state. Just Florida being Florida. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 9, 2015 7:32:26 GMT -5
He's a board certified appellate attorney who specializes in sports law. The board certified thing is in Florida state courts. No one is board certified in federal court. Or in nearly any other state. Just Florida being Florida. Gotcha. His Twitter profile says: At the intersection of sports law, gaming law, and appellate practice. I am a federal court litigator & Board-Certified appellate attorney w/ Becker & Poliakoff Curious Joshv, how do you see this playing out? |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 9, 2015 11:41:05 GMT -5
I did see several others giving him a 50% chance and above but a 40-50% chance of losing is still very high.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 9, 2015 13:00:48 GMT -5
If it were a real legal case, he'd have about a 90% chance of winning.
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 11, 2015 7:48:06 GMT -5
The board certified thing is in Florida state courts. No one is board certified in federal court. Or in nearly any other state. Just Florida being Florida. Gotcha. His Twitter profile says: At the intersection of sports law, gaming law, and appellate practice. I am a federal court litigator & Board-Certified appellate attorney w/ Becker & Poliakoff Curious Joshv, how do you see this playing out? Micheal McCann is really the best on this topic. The only reason why the NFLPA would not win is the level of deference courts give to arbitration proceedings. But, Brady was clearly not given notice of (a) the infraction, (b) the penalty, or (c) the standard of proof he'd be held to. (Whether there was actual deflation or not -- its pretty clear there was not -- is mostly irrelevant at this point). The Adrian Peterson opinion (which is not strictly binding, but unless Judge Doty got it completely wrong there, the next judge is likely follow it) makes it pretty clear that is a no-no; even more so by changing the standard midstream. But, courts are supposed to affirm arbitrators awards unless its clear they can't. So, the judge could do whatever he wants and likely can write an opinion that would fit within the contours of what is allowed (or even, what is reasonable from a policy standpoint) pretty easily. |
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 11, 2015 7:51:53 GMT -5
Its too bad, actually. For example, Greg Hardy was also railroaded - even after his appeal dropped the suspension to 4 games, that is still twice what the NFL should have been able to give him. (The policy in place at the time of his offense was 2 games. The Peterson case makes it 100% clear that the NFL cannot apply the new policy to conduct that took place during the time period the old policy was in effect.) Greg Hardy, though, is a sociopath who no one wants to champion, and its just so much easier to write an article that explains that the NFL lost b/c Henderson reduced the suspension from 10 to 4 games (even though he had no authority to even give 4), and Hardy has so little incentive to actually fight for the remaining two games, so its reported without the fact that the NFL is still making things up as they go.
Its just awful all around.
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 8:10:33 GMT -5
The NFLPA is by far the weakest and most dysfunctional union in professional sports. Their complete inability to collect and maintain any semblance of leverage in negotiations with the NFL is the root cause of this issue.
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 11, 2015 9:56:18 GMT -5
The NFLPA is by far the weakest and most dysfunctional union in professional sports. Their complete inability to collect and maintain any semblance of leverage in negotiations with the NFL is the root cause of this issue. When you say things like "the root cause of this issue," it completely misses the mark. Sure, had the union been better situated to able to defend these types of issues, then the NFL making up science/facts, making up rules, and railroading someone would not have happened. But, isn't the better entity to blame the NFL who is, indeed, making up science/facts, making up rules, and railroading someone? |
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 10:10:17 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2015 11:47:28 GMT -5
The NFLPA is by far the weakest and most dysfunctional union in professional sports. Their complete inability to collect and maintain any semblance of leverage in negotiations with the NFL is the root cause of this issue. When you say things like "the root cause of this issue," it completely misses the mark. Sure, had the union been better situated to able to defend these types of issues, then the NFL making up science/facts, making up rules, and railroading someone would not have happened. But, isn't the better entity to blame the NFL who is, indeed, making up science/facts, making up rules, and railroading someone? Even worse, the NFL is supposed to be the neutral party between the owners and the NFLPA. While that's rarely the case these days (what benefits the owners tends to benefit the league, so they tend to get more favoritism), it's more extreme in the NFL than any other league for one simple reason: the owners are Goodell's bosses. As long as they continue collecting larger pay checks, Goodell has their unequivocal support. The fact that Goodell will willingly fall on the sword for them (see the Ray Rice case, where Baltimore's scumbag owner catches very little heat) is a bonus. The NFLPA's lack of power is only part of the problem; the 32 scumbag owners having sole authority over Goodell's employment is the bigger issue. Until that changes, the players will never have a fair shot. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 11:55:31 GMT -5
Actually, the NFL explicitly represents the interests of the 32 owners, and the same is true for the other major professional sports leagues.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2015 12:10:45 GMT -5
That's not really true.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 12:20:36 GMT -5
Actually, the NFL explicitly represents the interests of the 32 owners, and the same is true for the other major professional sports leagues. Or in this case, 31 owners. Or really 2 owners who are just whining about not being able to win. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 12:21:35 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2015 12:36:34 GMT -5
The commissioners or other leagues don't operate in that manner. And I explained that that's part of the NFL's problem.
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