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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2015 7:19:58 GMT -5
I'm guessing it doesn't happen but there are reports that the Eagles will move Mathis and the Patriots are in on him. That would be a huge pick up. I can't imagine it's for less than a 3rd, which is a lot to give up for a 34 year old. He makes $7 million this year. His contract for an elite guard isn't bad at all... A third, if that's what it was isn't a bad price to pay considering they will pick up a third R&D comp pick for Talib to offset it and their roster is extremely young and deep so having a lot of draft picks isn't a high priority, even if it's always preferred. Guard is a huge need and they tend to do well as they get older. It's not like a lot of other positions. Plus, trading for a guy makes it easy to cut him if it doesn't work out. |
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 13, 2015 7:25:36 GMT -5
I can't imagine it's for less than a 3rd, which is a lot to give up for a 34 year old. He makes $7 million this year. His contract for an elite guard isn't bad at all... A third, if that's what it was isn't a bad price to pay considering they will pick up a third R&D comp pick for Talib to offset it and their roster is extremely young and deep so having a lot of draft picks isn't a high priority, even if it's always preferred. Guard is a huge need and they tend to do well as they get older. It's not like a lot of other positions. Plus, trading for a guy makes it easy to cut him if it doesn't work out. I'm not even sure why they'd be trading him, but I guess it's one of those trade him before he falls apart things. He's one of, if not the best in the NFL, IMO, with not a ton of mileage on him. He didn't become a starter until 30. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 13, 2015 7:28:44 GMT -5
His cap hit if traded would be $5.5m, which is very doable. My one hesitation is that it feels a little like the Mankins trade in reverse.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2015 7:30:45 GMT -5
His cap hit if traded would be $5.5m, which is very doable. My one hesitation is that it feels a little like the Mankins trade in reverse. Mankins had much higher cap numbers and his play had slipped significantly as injuries started to mount. So if it's that trade in reverse, they upgrade and save money. Seems smart to me. |
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 13, 2015 7:33:06 GMT -5
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him for a WR or FS either.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 13, 2015 12:59:37 GMT -5
I was actually thinking when Scott Chandler got cut, "BB might grab him, he's done well in games against the Pats."
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Post by jmei on Mar 13, 2015 13:16:59 GMT -5
His cap hit if traded would be $5.5m, which is very doable. My one hesitation is that it feels a little like the Mankins trade in reverse. Mankins had much higher cap numbers and his play had slipped significantly as injuries started to mount. So if it's that trade in reverse, they upgrade and save money. Seems smart to me. Trading Mankins only saved the Patriots $5.8m in cap space, which is only nominally more than what the Eagles would save with Mathis. I'm also not sure whether Mathis is much better than Mankins was when he was traded-- Mathis turns 34 this year and missed a big chunk of last season with injury, though he did get positive reviews when he returned from short-term IR (Pro Football Focus ranked him the second-best guard in the league). If I'm getting the same old Mathis (i.e., one of the best guards in the league), I think I'd do that trade, but there's enough risk involved that I'm a little hesitant. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 13, 2015 13:20:30 GMT -5
I was actually thinking when Scott Chandler got cut, "BB might grab him, he's done well in games against the Pats." I've always loved him and think this is a nice buy-low signing (who won't cost them a comp pick). In other news, details of Amendola's restructuring are out, and he basically took a $2.25m paycut to his 2015 base salary to stay (though he can earn $750K of it back through incentives). |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 13, 2015 13:36:51 GMT -5
Reggie Bush reportedly visiting with Patriots. He had better be significantly cheaper than Vereen if they are thinking of signing him.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 13, 2015 13:42:40 GMT -5
Mankins had much higher cap numbers and his play had slipped significantly as injuries started to mount. So if it's that trade in reverse, they upgrade and save money. Seems smart to me. Trading Mankins only saved the Patriots $5.8m in cap space, which is only nominally more than what the Eagles would save with Mathis. I'm also not sure whether Mathis is much better than Mankins was when he was traded-- Mathis turns 34 this year and missed a big chunk of last season with injury, though he did get positive reviews when he returned from short-term IR (Pro Football Focus ranked him the second-best guard in the league). If I'm getting the same old Mathis (i.e., one of the best guards in the league), I think I'd do that trade, but there's enough risk involved that I'm a little hesitant. Mathis was back to his original self after he came back from a MCL sprain minus a few weeks of rust when he first came back. In regards to Kelly, I think it looks like he's going insane because he's making so many changes at once. But I think he looks for players that fits his system similar to Belichick. He just got full control of the roster so it's time to make it his. I think Mathis is his kind of player though so I'm not sure why he wants to move on there, unless it's to use the cap money differently or start to get younger on the oline. I will say if Bradford stays healthy, he's going to be great there. He is exactly what Chip wants in a QB. Gets rid of the ball quickly, quick release, quick decisions and accurate. |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 13, 2015 13:57:23 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Mar 13, 2015 13:58:15 GMT -5
Reggie Bush reportedly visiting with Patriots. He had better be significantly cheaper than Vereen if they are thinking of signing him. He will be. The Lions cut him even though cutting him only opened up $1.7m in cap space. Bush should get something like 2/$6m or something similar. Additional bonus: he doesn't count against the compensatory pick formula. |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 13, 2015 18:34:44 GMT -5
Mike Reiss:
Even harsher paycut than it sounded like at first.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2015 20:05:31 GMT -5
If they sign Bush, hopefully people will realize he's not great. He's fine and can be good but this is a guy with a big name but not a big game. I will be happy with a 1 or 2 year contract at 1.5-3 per year
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Post by ibsmith85 on Mar 14, 2015 16:49:10 GMT -5
With Bush going to SF, and Spiller headed to New Orleans, the RB market is drying up quickly. Which leads to my first draft binkie (who has an actual chance to be available when the Pats select) Todd Gurley when healthy, was so fun to watch as a Bulldog. I expect an OL or DL,DB pick here, but it's always fun to dream on a player like Gurley. The OL'men from Duke is growing on me, Tomlinson.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 14, 2015 19:26:03 GMT -5
Ugh, no early round running backs please.
The way things are playing out you almost have to think Belichick likes some cornerbacks near the top of the draft.
Meanwhile, Alan Branch has a new 2-year deal with the Patriots. Shoulda signed Knighton instead, though - a steal for only $4m.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2015 19:53:49 GMT -5
I like knighton on that money but something seems off with that whole thing and how it played out...
I agree no RB in first rd but if they did take Gurley is get excited anyways because he looks special and even if backs are easily replaced the few who are special we game changers like Peterson and Lynch. That being said, it's not worth trying to find that guy early.
Gordon I don't want at all, but I'd be happy with Abdulah in Ed 2..
Like them bringing back Branch.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 14, 2015 20:02:18 GMT -5
There are a ton of RB in the draft 4th/ 5th round deep. That said I would not complain either if they get Gurley. He looks like a beast and perhaps with the injury he drops further than people think now. The trend is for RBs to drop to the 2nd/3rd round.
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Post by rangoon82 on Mar 16, 2015 16:49:32 GMT -5
Bummer to see Big Vince sign with Houston.
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Post by jmei on Mar 17, 2015 7:00:41 GMT -5
Terrence Newman would be a great pickup-- he's visiting the Patriots today.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 17, 2015 13:36:36 GMT -5
Terrence Newman would be a great pickup-- he's visiting the Patriots today. I think great might be a bit of a stretch, he is 36 (37 week 1) years old after all and has a tendency of getting burned |
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 17, 2015 16:21:15 GMT -5
Pats sign Cadet.
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Post by jmei on Mar 17, 2015 19:06:31 GMT -5
Terrence Newman would be a great pickup-- he's visiting the Patriots today. I think great might be a bit of a stretch, he is 36 (37 week 1) years old after all and has a tendency of getting burned Age is definitely a concern, but he was one of the better cornerbacks in the league in 2012 and was decent the last two years (Pro Football Focus ranked him 56th out of 108 qualifying cornerbacks in 2014). Getting a league-average corner on a cheap, one-year deal (think the $2-3m range) is the kind of signing that is always very underrated. I'd much rather have him at that salary than give Chris Culliver what he got or give Cromartie what he got. A few more CB visits to report, all cheap, buy-low candidates. If you aren't going to get the high-end guys, that's the approach you should probably take, as a lot of the mid-end guys are the ones who get overpaid. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 17, 2015 21:15:48 GMT -5
Here's some video of him: He looks like a Brandon Bolden-type (bigger than your average third-down back, some wiggle but not great athleticism). The route he runs at 0:31 is pretty sweet, though, and he looks like he runs pretty good routes, has good hands, and is a decent blocker. Almost certainly will add value on special teams, too. I'm definitely intrigued. ADD: more video. 1:03 is another pretty sweet route. |
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2015 10:13:51 GMT -5
Bradley Fletcher was pretty bad for the Eagles. I wouldn't get your hopes up, but then again, Chung was one of the worst players in the NFL away from the Patriots.
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