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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 7, 2015 11:35:21 GMT -5
Or Panda, with Hanley to 3B I think that's about the last thing that will ever happen. If Hanley can't play 1B, he'll be even worse at 3B. How do we know Hanley can't play 1st?......Also, if we're eating 50% of any salary, I hope it's Panda's....I think Shaw/Holt/Marrero can hold 3B until Moncada or Devers comes up in a year or 2. Or we can sign a Juan Uribe type. I just don't see the rebound for Sandoval as much as I see it for Hanley.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Dec 7, 2015 11:37:50 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to pry Shelby Miller & Freddy Freeman away?
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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 7, 2015 11:40:31 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to pry Shelby Miller & Freddy Freeman away? I want no part of Shelby Miller, and I think Freeman's price would be way too high. Would rather look into Votto.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 7, 2015 11:45:52 GMT -5
Or Panda, with Hanley to 3B I think that's about the last thing that will ever happen. If Hanley can't play 1B, he'll be even worse at 3B. Eh, he's played there before. He wasn't a good 3B then, and may not be now, but they have Marrero for late innings, and it's only for 1 year. When you look at Hanley and Pablo, which is likely to deliver the offensive numbers the team seeks? For me, the answer is clearly Hanley, and that means I move Panda for some payroll relief. Not by any means saying it happens, but a Napoli/Shaw platoon at 1B, with Hanley/Marrero late innings seems a better squad that Hanley at 1B, and Panda at 3B, which would be subpar defense at both corners.
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Post by awall on Dec 7, 2015 12:01:59 GMT -5
I think that's about the last thing that will ever happen. If Hanley can't play 1B, he'll be even worse at 3B. Eh, he's played there before. He wasn't a good 3B then, and may not be now, but they have Marrero for late innings, and it's only for 1 year. When you look at Hanley and Pablo, which is likely to deliver the offensive numbers the team seeks? For me, the answer is clearly Hanley, and that means I move Panda for some payroll relief. Not by any means saying it happens, but a Napoli/Shaw platoon at 1B, with Hanley/Marrero late innings seems a better squad that Hanley at 1B, and Panda at 3B, which would be subpar defense at both corners.Sign me up.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2015 12:05:17 GMT -5
Sandoval had a really bad defensive first half, but he was much better in the second half and has been average-to-better over his career.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2015 12:10:43 GMT -5
Sandoval had a really bad defensive first half, but he was much better in the second half and has been average-to-better over his career. His hard% also went down and his BABIP followed. I'm honestly more worried about him rebounding from his 75 wRC than his defense. He was real bad at the plate. 58 wRC+ in the second half. Gross.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 7, 2015 12:15:45 GMT -5
Sandoval had a really bad defensive first half, but he was much better in the second half and has been average-to-better over his career. His hard% also went down and his BABIP followed. I'm honestly more worried about him rebounding from his 75 wRC than his defense. He was real bad at the plate. 58 wRC+ in the second half. Gross. I've wondered how much of his offensive issues were new league related? I'm expecting league average, +/- less than 5%, from him on both sides of the ball.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2015 12:53:25 GMT -5
People want to pay to have Hanley leave town but are interested in Napoli? Am I in the twilight zone?
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 7, 2015 13:23:14 GMT -5
People want to pay to have Hanley leave town but are interested in Napoli? Am I in the twilight zone? I don't want Hanley gone on the Sox dime. I want him at 3B, and Napoli platooning at 1B with Shaw. I prefer Sandoval is the one dealt. Napoli's bat came to life late season. Looks like getting your skull intentionally broken apart, and rearranged, could have lingering effects for professional athletes that isn't measured by recovery statistics for the general public.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 7, 2015 13:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2015 13:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 7, 2015 13:47:26 GMT -5
People want to pay to have Hanley leave town but are interested in Napoli? Am I in the twilight zone? Napoli had a 154 wRC+ last year against LHP. If you could afford the luxury of a short side of a platoon 1B as a roster spot, it's worth thinking about.
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Post by justen on Dec 7, 2015 13:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 13:49:42 GMT -5
People want to pay to have Hanley leave town but are interested in Napoli? Am I in the twilight zone? Napoli had a 154 wRC+ last year against LHP. If you could afford the luxury of a short side of a platoon 1B as a roster spot, it's worth thinking about. Shaw was absent against righties last year and mashed lefties. Which was weird, cause a lot of his splits recently in the minors heavily favored him facing righties
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 7, 2015 13:53:57 GMT -5
Napoli had a 154 wRC+ last year against LHP. If you could afford the luxury of a short side of a platoon 1B as a roster spot, it's worth thinking about. Shaw was absent against righties last year and mashed lefties. Which was weird, cause a lot of his splits recently in the minors heavily favored him facing righties I wouldn't expect Shaw to continue with reverse splits.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 7, 2015 16:59:53 GMT -5
Continued from above young players. Sox could do it, not sure they will FYI, you can edit posts.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Dec 8, 2015 8:32:15 GMT -5
Sure looks like we're all in. I was hesitant to go after Price because I wasn't sure the rest of the team is up to snuff. Let's finish the job now. 1. I'd like a power arm in the pen. Willing to deal Miley for a good young one. 2. Need a better 2nd starter. One who will be pitching in October. What does it take to get Strasburg? Thanks for listening Dave. We're on to my 2nd request. Willing to wait until the trade deadline.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 9, 2015 11:10:10 GMT -5
Gammons taking on the big picture of how Dombrowski revamped the pitching staff, including how the looks each reliever gives fits as a whole, pretty interesting: www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-dombrowski-ensuring-an-equiped-red-sox-pitching-staff/Also hints the remaining moves may include trading for another starter on the Elias level, and signing a veteran reliever (mentions Steve Cishek) And drops that the Reds demanded Moncada for Chapman.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 9, 2015 11:22:20 GMT -5
I also noticed last night Farrell talking about the different "looks" from the pen.....Flame from Kimbrel, Junk from Koji, 6 ft 6 over the top sinker from Smith, Split/95 mph FB from Taz, & a Knuckleballer.
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Post by nomar on Dec 9, 2015 11:26:27 GMT -5
I also noticed last night Farrell talking about the different "looks" from the pen.....Flame from Kimbrel, Junk from Koji, 6 ft 6 over the top sinker from Smith, Split/95 mph FB from Taz, & a Knuckleballer. And a goatee from Ross
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Post by jmei on Dec 9, 2015 11:43:37 GMT -5
I also noticed last night Farrell talking about the different "looks" from the pen.....Flame from Kimbrel, Junk from Koji, 6 ft 6 over the top sinker from Smith, Split/95 mph FB from Taz, & a Knuckleballer. This might be semantic, but Smith is definitely not an over-the-top guy-- he's a low three-quarters guy: As a guy with that arm angle who throws a sinker/slider, you'd think he'd have huge platoon splits, but that hasn't been the case so far. He's been better versus righties in the majors (1.91 career FIP versus righties, 2.32 career FIP versus lefties), but the gap isn't huge and he's still shut down lefties. He did have slightly bigger splits in the minors (2.08 SIERA versus R, 3.09 SIERA versus L).
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 9, 2015 11:58:11 GMT -5
I also noticed last night Farrell talking about the different "looks" from the pen.....Flame from Kimbrel, Junk from Koji, 6 ft 6 over the top sinker from Smith, Split/95 mph FB from Taz, & a Knuckleballer. This might be semantic, but Smith is definitely not an over-the-top guy-- he's a low three-quarters guy: As a guy with that arm angle who throws a sinker/slider, you'd think he'd have huge platoon splits, but that hasn't been the case so far. He's been better versus righties in the majors (1.91 career FIP versus righties, 2.32 career FIP versus lefties), but the gap isn't huge and he's still shut down lefties. He did have slightly bigger splits in the minors (2.08 SIERA versus R, 3.09 SIERA versus L). I may have misunderstood the over the top thing. It may have been more of a height thing as he makes Kimbrel look 4 ft tall. Different angle, ect. Your link was the 1st time I've seen him throw. Kind of a funky delivery, but it looks like it'd be hard to pick up as a hitter.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 9, 2015 12:13:15 GMT -5
There are still three things they could do that wouldn't be crazy.
1) Trade Tazawa's one year of control, plus necessary prospect(s), for Jake McGee's two years.
2) Trade Kelly plus NPs for a SP who is reliable and clearly better than him or Wright, which is to say a #2 or borderline #2/#3.
3) Trade Rusney Castillo and acquire a LF 1- or 2-year rental like Josh Reddick.
I don't see a downside of any sort to #1. You do it if you like the price.
With #2, you run the risk of Kelly being nearly as good as the guy you get. That means you explore making a deal, but only make it of it clearly seems like a win because the prospect price is surprisingly low. Given what the Snakes just gave up to get Shelby Miller, that seems very unlikely.
There was a pretty good consensus that #3 should wait until perhaps June of next year, since it might prove to be unnecessary. However, they should make a list of candidates (Carlos Gonzalez is another and I'm not sure whether there are any more) and, if all but one get traded and the last guy is on the block, they should explore making the deal now.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 9, 2015 12:25:46 GMT -5
Hard to overstate how effective Smith was, how many batters he froze at the plate. Playing out here in Seattle his name wasn't widely known. That will probably all change now that he's in Boston.
Of course he has to stay healthy. But if he does, and if he's anywhere near as good as he was last year, people are in for a treat. I see this as a trade that benefits both teams.
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