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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 18, 2015 10:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 18, 2015 10:52:36 GMT -5
OK then.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 18, 2015 12:43:27 GMT -5
I thought Jerry Downes signed? It's not official? Dj Artis changed from not signing to maybe signing? Is that what the change is?
Just wondering if we have an overflow of prospects is there any rule holding us back to joining up an affiliation with someone say in the Appalachian league?
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 18, 2015 13:09:15 GMT -5
Downs has agreed in principle on terms, but the contract is not official yet. Artis projected to sign is one of the changes reflected in red.
You are correct that there won't a ton of space left in Lowell or the GCL after this next wave of signings prior to short season opening day. I think Lowell will be at 29/35 tomorrow night, and the GCL will probably be around 30/35 on its opening day on Monday. After that, there still will probably be roughly another 10-15 signings. A few injuries or inactives might even things out.
I don't think there'll be a new affiliation anytime soon. If that happens, we'll probably get upwards of a years' notice.
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Post by danr on Jun 18, 2015 13:25:11 GMT -5
That raises the question of what happens to all these players? It is close to mid season for the full season leagues and usually around that time there are a number of player changes, promotions, cuts, etc.
So I wonder, will some of the players at Greenville be promoted in the next few weeks to make space for some of the college guys?
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 18, 2015 13:31:23 GMT -5
That raises the question of what happens to all these players? It is close to mid season for the full season leagues and usually around that time there are a number of player changes, promotions, cuts, etc. So I wonder, will some of the players at Greenville be promoted in the next few weeks to make space for some of the college guys? Most assuredly, but that discussion doesn't belong in this thread. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 18, 2015 13:34:21 GMT -5
Downs has agreed in principle on terms, but the contract is not official yet. Artis projected to sign is one of the changes reflected in red. You are correct that there won't a ton of space left in Lowell or the GCL after this next wave of signings prior to short season opening day. I think Lowell will be at 29/35 tomorrow night, and the GCL will probably be around 30/35 on its opening day on Monday. After that, there still will probably be roughly another 10-15 signings. A few injuries or inactives might even things out. I don't think there'll be a new affiliation anytime soon. If that happens, we'll probably get upwards of a years' notice. Is the new DSL team a sign towards that or are the players from both DSL teams filtered out before they come stateside? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 18, 2015 16:34:15 GMT -5
Downs has agreed in principle on terms, but the contract is not official yet. Artis projected to sign is one of the changes reflected in red. You are correct that there won't a ton of space left in Lowell or the GCL after this next wave of signings prior to short season opening day. I think Lowell will be at 29/35 tomorrow night, and the GCL will probably be around 30/35 on its opening day on Monday. After that, there still will probably be roughly another 10-15 signings. A few injuries or inactives might even things out. I don't think there'll be a new affiliation anytime soon. If that happens, we'll probably get upwards of a years' notice. Is the new DSL team a sign towards that or are the players from both DSL teams filtered out before they come stateside? Adding a DSL team is pretty fungible. You can easily just get rid of the second one once you no longer have that glut of players down there, and in fact, I'd be surprised if they did that for more than a couple years. Adding an Appy League team is something they'd have to commit to long-term, so I don't think the first telegraphs the second. As for where all the signees are going to go, it strikes me that there are a decent number of players on both teams who could go on the phantom DL if necessary. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 18, 2015 16:44:31 GMT -5
Is the new DSL team a sign towards that or are the players from both DSL teams filtered out before they come stateside? Adding a DSL team is pretty fungible. You can easily just get rid of the second one once you no longer have that glut of players down there, and in fact, I'd be surprised if they did that for more than a couple years. Adding an Appy League team is something they'd have to commit to long-term, so I don't think the first telegraphs the second. As for where all the signees are going to go, it strikes me that there are a decent number of players on both teams who could go on the phantom DL if necessary. Not that this is the thread for this discussion, but the reason they added a second team in the first place is probably the bonus restrictions. They probably aim for quantity over quality the next two international signing periods. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 18, 2015 17:07:41 GMT -5
Adding a DSL team is pretty fungible. You can easily just get rid of the second one once you no longer have that glut of players down there, and in fact, I'd be surprised if they did that for more than a couple years. Adding an Appy League team is something they'd have to commit to long-term, so I don't think the first telegraphs the second. As for where all the signees are going to go, it strikes me that there are a decent number of players on both teams who could go on the phantom DL if necessary. Not that this is the thread for this discussion, but the reason they added a second team in the first place is probably the bonus restrictions. They probably aim for quantity over quality the next two international signing periods. Actually, Eddie Romero told us that they added the second team when they decided to go over the cap this year. news.soxprospects.com/2015/05/red-sox-to-field-two-dsl-teams-for.html |
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Post by alnipper on Jun 18, 2015 18:25:03 GMT -5
I expect with our 300k max per player, that the Sox will sign more players the next two years. The year after that we'll have a bunch of 17 year old players. So, after three years the Sox might go back to one DSL team.
How quickly after/if the Sox sign Benintendi will the amount of his signing be announced?
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Post by azblue on Jun 18, 2015 19:37:25 GMT -5
Having a cap of $300K will not result in the signing of fewer international players...it will result in signing more.
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Post by rpiguy on Jun 18, 2015 19:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 18, 2015 20:37:06 GMT -5
Jim Callis @jimcallismlb 53s54 seconds ago 19th-rder Logan Boyd signs w/ redsox for $75k. Sam Houston State LHP, 88-92, good curveball. @mlbdraft |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 18, 2015 22:28:09 GMT -5
Any connection to Red Sox Nation? Tyler Spoon is also listed on the Sox draft board. |
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Post by nmacny on Jun 18, 2015 23:27:45 GMT -5
Question for all of those far more knowledgeable in the way that this all works than myself. The Sox seemed to do an excellent job of throwing their big market "spending weight" around before the new rules on the Draft and International signing pools were put into place. As we all know, the Sox blew past their limit in the International market this year, resulting in sanctions for next season.
Any chance the Sox take the same approach to the 2016 Draft (when they can't hand out the big bonuses Internationally), and then again in the 2017 International signing period, 2018 Draft, and so on? Would this make any sense, or am I way off-base here?
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Post by 07redsox on Jun 19, 2015 2:19:32 GMT -5
Question for all of those far more knowledgeable in the way that this all works than myself. The Sox seemed to do an excellent job of throwing their big market "spending weight" around before the new rules on the Draft and International signing pools were put into place. As we all know, the Sox blew past their limit in the International market this year, resulting in sanctions for next season. Any chance the Sox take the same approach to the 2016 Draft (when they can't hand out the big bonuses Internationally), and then again in the 2017 International signing period, 2018 Draft, and so on? Would this make any sense, or am I way off-base here? If by blow past their limit you mean enough so that they start losing first round picks, then I doubt it. It would really make no sense in my opinion. I don't really think going past the International limit has any bearing at all of how much they would spend in the draft. If you go too far past the limit in the draft I believe the team can even lose their first round picks for the following two years as the worst punishment. And you have to remember that it's not just a potential player chosen in the first round that you would be losing, but also the bonus money that is tied to that pick. That can greatly change what a team is able to do with their other picks. I could easily see them blowing past the International limit again when they next can (that is if there isn't an International draft by that point), but I don't really see any team doing the same in the draft. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2015 6:24:39 GMT -5
Question for all of those far more knowledgeable in the way that this all works than myself. The Sox seemed to do an excellent job of throwing their big market "spending weight" around before the new rules on the Draft and International signing pools were put into place. As we all know, the Sox blew past their limit in the International market this year, resulting in sanctions for next season. Any chance the Sox take the same approach to the 2016 Draft (when they can't hand out the big bonuses Internationally), and then again in the 2017 International signing period, 2018 Draft, and so on? Would this make any sense, or am I way off-base here? Won't happen. Losing draft picks is much worse than simply being limited in how much you can spend on international players. That's why a number of teams have spent over their international pools but no team has spent past the cap + 5% mark in the draft. |
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Post by nmacny on Jun 19, 2015 7:51:47 GMT -5
Ok yeah, I just read up on the penalties for spending past the draft cap - I had forgotten just how harsh they are. I guess in my late-night line of thinking, I was associating the same form of penalties that apply in the International market to the Draft, which clearly wouldn't even make sense. Nevermind me. Thank you both for taking the time to respond.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 19, 2015 10:44:39 GMT -5
Any connection to Red Sox Nation? Tyler Spoon is also listed on the Sox draft board. Yes, Spoon was drafted by the Red Sox in the 35th round. Just poor editing by that news source saying it was Oakland who drafted him. Benintendi's teammate at Arkansas, should be fun to see them play together again. Note: If you click the article now, the team has been changed to Boston Red Sox. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 19, 2015 11:10:42 GMT -5
Its a shame that the Red Sox can't speed up the process of screening and physicals so that the draftees names can be released to the public faster as signed. It seems other teams get the information out more quickly.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2015 11:36:16 GMT -5
Its a shame that the Red Sox can't speed up the process of screening and physicals so that the draftees names can be released to the public faster as signed. It seems other teams get the information out more quickly. Eh, a shame for us as fans, but from a practical perspective, I'd rather them take their time with the physicals and such before signing the player. I'm fine with trading a week or two of playing to find out things like that Teddy Stankiewicz has no right pectoral muscle, y'know? In the grand scheme of things, it means nothing in terms of their development for them to have to sit out for a week or two. |
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Post by taftreign on Jun 19, 2015 11:49:18 GMT -5
Its a shame that the Red Sox can't speed up the process of screening and physicals so that the draftees names can be released to the public faster as signed. It seems other teams get the information out more quickly. These things are somewhat dependent on ensuring certain picks agree in principle first (i.e. those who come with slot savings) so that extra monies are certain for picks receiving beyond the slotted amount. Thus avoiding a scenario similar to the Astros last season. You will also see picks continuing to play in the CWS not sign until they are eliminated or win it all (i.e. Benintendi and Spoon) which stalls their signing and also can hold up the advancement of signing others picks for the reasons above. |
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Post by danr on Jun 19, 2015 12:20:23 GMT -5
I don't know if they still do it, but a few years ago, when the deadline for signing was much later, the Sox basically would allocate a certain amount of money to spend on their later round picks - not enough to sign everyone. They then would tell draftees that once the money was gone there would be no more deals. So if a kid held out for more money than offered there was a chance the entire offer would be withdrawn. With a much shorter signing period, they probably don't need to do this now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2015 12:34:35 GMT -5
I don't know if they still do it, but a few years ago, when the deadline for signing was much later, the Sox basically would allocate a certain amount of money to spend on their later round picks - not enough to sign everyone. They then would tell draftees that once the money was gone there would be no more deals. So if a kid held out for more money than offered there was a chance the entire offer would be withdrawn. With a much shorter signing period, they probably don't need to do this now. Got a link for this? I don't recall ever hearing that they did that and would have a hard time believing it to be true, at least under this regime. |
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