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MLB Draft Day 1 (2015)
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 8, 2015 11:48:56 GMT -5
I first said Aiken if medical school are okay. Then I said the two we scouted and drafted (Fullmer and Bregman). I feel the FO has not proved that they can nail a hitter so I want a to go with a pitcher. I think Fullmer and if he falls why not Tate and my dark horse is Aiken. Because I don't want to pick someone who wasn't considered this high and I know Aiken was a top pick.
I don't think Bregman will be there. Houston is going to kill us with two picks. They suck. They are gonna get someone good. I hope Rickard brings some new ideas regarding hitters. I am comfortable for the most part on pitching. It sucks we only have one pick today.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2015 11:58:18 GMT -5
Taking Happ with Fulmer, Jay, and Tucker all on the board would be... disappointing Brutally disappointing. Callis and Mayo also indicating that Naylor could be jumping into the 7-12 range (considered by some to have top power in draft). Worth looking beyond the picks on these mocks to see what they write. On BA, they mention that Happ is a possibility there and that he has worked out for a number of clubs in the top 12.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 8, 2015 12:03:14 GMT -5
Mocks updated so far today. Hopefully, one more update before draft time.
Team BA MLB-M MLB-C KL SI Ari Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Hou Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Col Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Tex Cameron Cameron Tate Clark Tate Hou Benint. Tate Benint. Benint. Cameron Min Jay Jay Jay Tate Jay Bos Fulmer Benint. Fulmer Happ Benint. ChA Tate Fulmer Harris Fulmer Harris ChN Happ Happ Clark Jay Fulmer Phi Tucker Tucker Tucker Tucker Kaprie. Cin Stephe. Stephe. Stephe. Newman Tucker Mia Clark Clark Whitley Kaprie. Allard TB Buehler Buehler Buehler Buehler Clark
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 8, 2015 12:07:47 GMT -5
I've sort of talked myself into Fulmer, Tate, and Tucker as my top 3 guys for the Sox ... but I say that with full humility as having very little first-hand knowledge of any of these guys.
I just hope they draft the guy who's going to be really good and avoid that dude that's gonna bust completely.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 8, 2015 12:13:08 GMT -5
Is it unfair to judge Happ by Kolbrin Vitek? mid-west (Ball State/Cinn) infielder/outfielder, supposed mature bat.
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Post by rafael on Jun 8, 2015 12:14:12 GMT -5
My board: 1. Swanson 2. Bregman 3. Rodgers 4. Fulmer 5. Benintendi 6. Tucker 7. Tate
If the Red Sox choose the unexpected pick route, then I would like to see one of Aiken, Happ, DJ Stewart, Clark, Kaprelian, Randolph or Stephenson, in no particular order.
I'm not high on Cameron and Jay.
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Post by Jander on Jun 8, 2015 12:19:38 GMT -5
In the NFL draft, the team at 1-1 is technically on the clock once the league year resets near the beginning of February. Generally, that team waits until draft night to make its pick, but occasionally (Jake Long in 2008) the team works out a deal that makes it official several days in advance.
Can teams do so with the top pick in the MLB draft? It seems that would make things simpler for Arizona, who could lock in a price for someone like Swanson (or Stephenson, or whoever) and have clarity in regard to remaining budget for later picks, rather than relying on a verbal agreement. It would avoid situations like this one from Klaw: "The one thing that could blow this up would be if Arizona attempts to sign Swanson for well under slot prior to the draft and fails to do so."
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 8, 2015 12:20:52 GMT -5
Is it unfair to judge Happ by Kolbrin Vitek? mid-west (Ball State/Cinn) infielder/outfielder, supposed mature bat. If Vitek raked in the cape cod league and through his college career then yes go ahead and judge him.
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Post by jdb on Jun 8, 2015 12:26:30 GMT -5
Kiley had Callis on a podcast last week saying Happ had the best hit tool in the draft and the swings good from both sides. I wouldn't lose sleep over him and a little savings to go over slot in the 3rd.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 12:29:51 GMT -5
In the NFL draft, the team at 1-1 is technically on the clock once the league year resets near the beginning of February. Generally, that team waits until draft night to make its pick, but occasionally (Jake Long in 2008) the team works out a deal that makes it official several days in advance. Can teams do so with the top pick in the MLB draft? It seems that would make things simpler for Arizona, who could lock in a price for someone like Swanson (or Stephenson, or whoever) and have clarity in regard to remaining budget for later picks, rather than relying on a verbal agreement. It would avoid situations like this one from Klaw: "The one thing that could blow this up would be if Arizona attempts to sign Swanson for well under slot prior to the draft and fails to do so." The main difference between baseball and football is that draft eligible baseball players are playing right up until the draft so they continue moving up and down. But yes, Arizona could lock down whoever they want. I imagine Arizona is playing one against the others to try to get the price down.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2015 12:30:01 GMT -5
Is it unfair to judge Happ by Kolbrin Vitek? mid-west (Ball State/Cinn) infielder/outfielder, supposed mature bat. If Vitek raked in the cape cod league and through his college career then yes go ahead and judge him. Vitek also popped into my head, but I agree that it's not a great comparison other than a few superficial similarities.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 8, 2015 12:30:34 GMT -5
Gammons saying Benintendi is going 5th that'd assure us one of fulmer Tate or Bregman Gammons has a habit of being bang on with who Boston takes in advance, whether it's day of the draft, or in advance. I remember him predicting Vitek and Barnes.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 8, 2015 12:33:16 GMT -5
Is it unfair to judge Happ by Kolbrin Vitek? mid-west (Ball State/Cinn) infielder/outfielder, supposed mature bat. Thanks man. "College hitter linked to Red Sox, is immediately compared to Kolbrin Vitek" in a prime position on my Draft Day Bingo Board. If we're going to make broad comparisons like this, Kevin Youkilis was a mature hitter with questionable defensive value out of Cincinnati who the Red Sox did okay with.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 8, 2015 12:33:20 GMT -5
If Vitek raked in the cape cod league and through his college career then yes go ahead and judge him. Vitek also popped into my head, but I agree that it's not a great comparison other than a few superficial similarities. There is the defensive question marks wether he stays in the dirt or has to go the OF but as hitters they are not comparable. Happ has more establish history of hitting against top competition for his level.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2015 12:35:01 GMT -5
Is it unfair to judge Happ by Kolbrin Vitek? mid-west (Ball State/Cinn) infielder/outfielder, supposed mature bat. Come on, I'm eating here!!!
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 8, 2015 12:35:23 GMT -5
Well, he's predicting an Astros pick there, not the Red Sox.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2015 12:38:00 GMT -5
My draft board: 1. Swanson 2. Rodgers 3. Tate 4. Bregman 5. Fulmer 6. Whitley 7. Tucker 8. Clark 9. Jay 10. Benintendi What's up, Adam? You don't do the first round mock draft any longer? Or is this one waaayy too unpredicable? Both. Also, the Red Sox pick #7 and then not again until #81, so it didn't seem worthwhile.
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Post by myleskennefick on Jun 8, 2015 12:40:54 GMT -5
I don't understand all the Daz Cameron hate. If he reaches his potential he sounds like Adam Jones.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Red Sox draft him, and offer him what they value him at. If he signs, great. If he doesn't sign, pick 7 again next year.
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Post by Jander on Jun 8, 2015 12:48:28 GMT -5
In the NFL draft, the team at 1-1 is technically on the clock once the league year resets near the beginning of February. Generally, that team waits until draft night to make its pick, but occasionally (Jake Long in 2008) the team works out a deal that makes it official several days in advance. Can teams do so with the top pick in the MLB draft? It seems that would make things simpler for Arizona, who could lock in a price for someone like Swanson (or Stephenson, or whoever) and have clarity in regard to remaining budget for later picks, rather than relying on a verbal agreement. It would avoid situations like this one from Klaw: "The one thing that could blow this up would be if Arizona attempts to sign Swanson for well under slot prior to the draft and fails to do so." The main difference between baseball and football is that draft eligible baseball players are playing right up until the draft so they continue moving up and down. But yes, Arizona could lock down whoever they want. I imagine Arizona is playing one against the others to try to get the price down. Yeah, nice point. Plus, I forgot about the whole NCAA situation, where if they think you've done anything unbecoming of an "amateur," they can suspend/revoke your eligibility. I expect players and their advisors don't want to enter into legitimate negotiations, since if an agreement falls through, the player might lose the ability to stay in school.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2015 12:50:03 GMT -5
Is it unfair to judge Happ by Kolbrin Vitek? mid-west (Ball State/Cinn) infielder/outfielder, supposed mature bat. Above-average hit tool, position questions. If he was 100% sure to stay in the infield (2B or 3B), he'd be a top five pick. But he may end up in LF, and he won't have the power desired for the position, or as a utility bat. Best comp I've seen for Happ is Kole Calhoun. If drafted, he'd probably start in Salem next year and be knocking on the door two years after that.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 8, 2015 12:50:53 GMT -5
I don't understand all the Daz Cameron hate. If he reaches his potential he sounds like Adam Jones. I wouldn't mind seeing the Red Sox draft him, and offer him what they value him at. If he signs, great. If he doesn't sign, pick 7 again next year. I could talk myself into the pick, but wouldn't be ecstatic. It feels to me like he got on the board because of his last name, but never did anything to impress after that. Everyone else might have different reasons but that's how I've felt pretty much all year.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jun 8, 2015 12:51:57 GMT -5
I don't understand all the Daz Cameron hate. If he reaches his potential he sounds like Adam Jones. I wouldn't mind seeing the Red Sox draft him, and offer him what they value him at. If he signs, great. If he doesn't sign, pick 7 again next year. The knock on him is that he's raw. Yes raw kids can turn out and be excellent players for you, but Jason Place is a cautionary tale of what happens when the raw tools don't turn into baseball ability. If you are taking in the middle of the first round, I would be all over him, but I think there will be some less risky players available, who lack Cameron's upside, but are a much better bet to one day contribute to your major league team.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2015 12:56:29 GMT -5
Gammons saying Benintendi is going 5th that'd assure us one of fulmer Tate or Bregman Gammons has a habit of being bang on with who Boston takes in advance, whether it's day of the draft, or in advance. I remember him predicting Vitek and Barnes. FWIW, Vitek had been heavily reported elsewhere (Epstein was sighted at his games), and as far as Barnes, Gammons LOVES linking the Sox to local kids - see his suggesting they could take Shaw (who won't be there) or Wiseman (who'd be a bit of a reach) with the third-round pick. I'd add that it was Epstein who he was tied in with. Since he's left, Gammons has had far less inside info from the Sox FO.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 8, 2015 12:56:35 GMT -5
What became of the competitive balance pick the Sox got from the A's?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2015 12:57:27 GMT -5
What became of the competitive balance pick the Sox got from the A's? Sandoval ate it.
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