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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 8, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5
FWIW, Vitek had been heavily reported elsewhere (Epstein was sighted at his games), and as far as Barnes, Gammons LOVES linking the Sox to local kids - see his suggesting they could take Shaw (who won't be there) or Wiseman (who'd be a bit of a reach) with the third-round pick. Let me throw a counter-opinion out there, I think there's a 50-50 shot that Shaw could slip that far, and I don't think Wiseman would be a reach at all.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2015 13:13:21 GMT -5
FWIW, Vitek had been heavily reported elsewhere (Epstein was sighted at his games), and as far as Barnes, Gammons LOVES linking the Sox to local kids - see his suggesting they could take Shaw (who won't be there) or Wiseman (who'd be a bit of a reach) with the third-round pick. Let me throw a counter-opinion out there, I think there's a 50-50 shot that Shaw could slip that far, and I don't think Wiseman would be a reach at all. I'd be surprised if Shaw fell that far, but I agree on Wiseman (although I am not a big fan - too much swing-and-miss for me).
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 8, 2015 13:13:53 GMT -5
Kiley's Final Mock1. Swanson 2. Bregman 3. Rogers 4. Trenton Clark 5. Tucker 6. Tate 8. Fulmer 9. Jay 10. Tyler Stephenson
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2015 13:31:06 GMT -5
Kiley's Final Mock1. Swanson 2. Bregman 3. Rogers 4. Trenton Clark 5. Tucker 6. Tate 8. Fulmer 9. Jay 10. Tyler Stephenson I'm on board with picking Benintendi, but I'd be disappointed if we passed on Fulmer to do it.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 8, 2015 13:40:46 GMT -5
What became of the competitive balance pick the Sox got from the A's? Sandoval ate it. Love It!! That explains the range.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2015 13:46:06 GMT -5
FWIW, Vitek had been heavily reported elsewhere (Epstein was sighted at his games), and as far as Barnes, Gammons LOVES linking the Sox to local kids - see his suggesting they could take Shaw (who won't be there) or Wiseman (who'd be a bit of a reach) with the third-round pick. Let me throw a counter-opinion out there, I think there's a 50-50 shot that Shaw could slip that far, and I don't think Wiseman would be a reach at all. Well, I guess I could have further emphasized the "bit" in bit of a reach. Agree to disagree on Shaw falling to 81, although I'm sure that's possible. With power as scarce as it is, I'd be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 8, 2015 13:49:31 GMT -5
Let me throw a counter-opinion out there, I think there's a 50-50 shot that Shaw could slip that far, and I don't think Wiseman would be a reach at all. I'd be surprised if Shaw fell that far, but I agree on Wiseman (although I am not a big fan - too much swing-and-miss for me). Slightly north there is Ryan McKenna who is from my hometown and went to the same private high school as me. He's probably more of a 4-6 rd guy based on his rankings.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 8, 2015 13:54:22 GMT -5
I know you guys have bigger fish to fry and only having read the last few pages asking about a local guy might not go over well. but I'll do it anyways.
Will Toffey. I watched him play as a kid. He comes from Barnstable Ma. Got drafted in the 23 round by the Yanks last year ( I think). Now plays at Vandy , any opinions?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2015 14:01:39 GMT -5
I know you guys have bigger fish to fry and only having read the last few pages asking about a local guy might not go over well. but I'll do it anyways. Will Toffey. I watched him play as a kid. He comes from Barnstable Ma. Got drafted in the 23 round by the Yanks last year ( I think). Now plays at Vandy , any opinions? He's a freshman and therefore not eligible for the draft. Although, with a 12/31/94 birthday, it looks like he might be a draft-eligible sophomore next year.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2015 14:02:00 GMT -5
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 8, 2015 14:05:05 GMT -5
Kiley's Final Mock1. Swanson 2. Bregman 3. Rogers 4. Trenton Clark 5. Tucker 6. Tate 8. Fulmer 9. Jay 10. Tyler Stephenson I'm really surprised both McDaniel and Manuel have the Sox passing on Tate. I guess the helium really is out of the balloon.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 8, 2015 14:06:14 GMT -5
I know you guys have bigger fish to fry and only having read the last few pages asking about a local guy might not go over well. but I'll do it anyways. Will Toffey. I watched him play as a kid. He comes from Barnstable Ma. Got drafted in the 23 round by the Yanks last year ( I think). Now plays at Vandy , any opinions? He's a freshman and therefore not eligible for the draft. Although, with a 12/31/94 birthday, it looks like he might be a draft-eligible sophomore next year. Thank you.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 8, 2015 14:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 8, 2015 14:20:14 GMT -5
Yeah, Gammons always has been a homer with his local predictions, yet especially around draft time still like to read up on his predictions and his picks were there those 2 years and in 2010 when better people were arguably still available even at #20.
Someone (Epstein) must have been feeding him really good info for awhile, though like you said his hit/miss percentage has gone way down since, even after the upper rounds.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2015 14:26:34 GMT -5
FYI, Naylor is a huge Red Sox/Ortiz fan. Texas Tech signee.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 14:29:57 GMT -5
Am I getting this right, that in the last 24 hours, there have been about 5 new possible top 10 picks that no one mentioned before?
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2015 14:38:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox have never been a team that has gone into a draft saying "we have to draft a bat here" so I don't really buy what Kiley and Law are saying about them being locked into a bat no matter what.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 8, 2015 14:38:56 GMT -5
Good to see amfox in here. For any new people, the dude is amazing at this. The guy that runs the site (Andrews) is good, as are Hatfield, Temple, Jmei, and others, but in my years here amfox has been a wizard. If he says something, count on it until several sources prove him wrong. I don't post much on these type of threads because it's like hitting to me, I only know I can't do it.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 8, 2015 14:39:05 GMT -5
Kiley's Final Mock1. Swanson 2. Bregman 3. Rogers 4. Trenton Clark 5. Tucker 6. Tate 8. Fulmer 9. Jay 10. Tyler Stephenson I'm really surprised both McDaniel and Manuel have the Sox passing on Tate. I guess the helium really is out of the balloon. Only Manuel. And in fact Manuel is the only person who has Tate lasting that long, so his opinion that we pass on him is not any kind of consensus.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 8, 2015 14:44:16 GMT -5
I'm really surprised both McDaniel and Manuel have the Sox passing on Tate. I guess the helium really is out of the balloon. Only Manuel. And in fact Manuel is the only person who has Tate lasting that long, so his opinion that we pass on him is not any kind of consensus. Oops. I should have double-checked, thought that was the case. The layout made me think he was listed at 8.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 8, 2015 14:47:07 GMT -5
The Red Sox have never been a team that has gone into a draft saying "we have to draft a bat here" so I don't really buy what Kiley and Law are saying about them being locked into a bat no matter what. I think this may be based on perceived risk rather than preference to simply add a bat to the system. It'd be consistent with their recent approach on international and professional free agents. Not sure I buy it either, though.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 8, 2015 14:48:20 GMT -5
Final table of mocks.
Team BA MLB-M MLB-C FG KL SI JS Ari Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Hou Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Col Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Jay Tex Cameron Cameron Tate Clark Clark Tate Rodgers Hou Benint. Tate Benint. Tucker Benint. Cameron Benint. Min Jay Jay Jay Tate Tate Jay Cameron Bos Fulmer Benint. Fulmer Benin. Happ Benint. Fulmer ChA Tate Fulmer Harris Fulmer Fulmer Harris Tate ChN Happ Happ Clark Jay Jay Fulmer Happ Phi Tucker Tucker Tucker Stephe. Tucker Kaprie. Stephe. Cin Stephe. Stephe. Stephe. Happ Newman Tucker Tucker Mia Clark Clark Whitley Whitley Kaprie. Allard Clark TB Buehler Buehler Buehler Kaprie. Buehler Clark Kaprie. Three of four (Law the exception) have us taking Benintendi if he's available.
# of drafts that have someone available that we pass over:
2 Tate (but one is Sickels, who admits he doesn't like mocks and is being casual and intentionally a bit against the grain) 2 Jay 3 Cameron
Everyone but SI has one of those guys available. That's the wild card here. We have definitely been linked to Tate and Cameron (one of whom is available in 5 of these 7, a pretty clear consensus), and they, Benintendi, Fulmer, or a surprise would appear to be the options, unless a Bregman miracle happens.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2015 14:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jun 8, 2015 14:54:33 GMT -5
Having watched the mechanics of Jay, Tate, and Fulmer, I actually prefer Fulmer. His mechanics aren't bad, he just needs to slow it down a little bit, which may actually help his fastball. It shouldn't take much for a pitching coach to work on that with him.
Tate leans back significantly when he pitches and that's worrisome to me personally. This is all just watching video of course, but I think it's important to look at the player and not just the footnotes.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2015 14:55:17 GMT -5
It will be funny to see everyone freak out if the Red Sox go off the board tonight. If they do it's only because they have multiple high bonus players lined up on day 2. Not sure it makes a lot of sense this year, but we'll see.
I've thought all along that Fulmer is their guy and I'm sticking to that.
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