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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 4, 2015 20:18:29 GMT -5
Nice at bat by Sandoval, unusual lately.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 4, 2015 20:19:38 GMT -5
Also, I would have made Travis Shaw the opening day 3B ahead of WMB. What could possibly go wrong with penciling in a starting 3B who hadn't played 3B in years and had a 96 wRC+ in AAA the year before? Did you really predict he'd be better this year than Sandoval at 3rd? WMB does not stand for "Pablo Sandoval". If you check the forum archives you'll find I was firmly in favor of signing Headley, and suggested Shaw (who was projected by Steamer to hit 99 wRC+ in the majors before the season) only for the case that the Sox decided to blow their FA budget on pitching instead.
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Post by jmei on Aug 4, 2015 20:21:21 GMT -5
As a side note, I generally dislike the team-building philosophy that says that the best way to fill a hole on the roster is to sign the best free agent on the market at that position. That dude usually gets overpaid (after all, you're buying high), and there is usually a more cost-effective solution out there somewhere (though you have to bear some risk to get there). As such, I'd be pretty disappointed if their offseason consisted of signing Cueto and calling it a day.
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Post by taftreign on Aug 4, 2015 20:21:23 GMT -5
Shaw looked pretty shaky at third when I saw him there last year so I can understand why the Red Sox were hesitant to go with him. Dude must have worked really hard to improve to the point he has (which squares with his reputation, for sure). But yeah, the Red Sox had numerous internal options better than Middlebrooks. Cecchini and even Ryan Roberts are better players (though Cecchini's 3B defense isn't good enough either). Theoretically the team could have had Hanley as an option vs placing him in LF. There were numerous options in the OF including Castillo and Bradley JR. Whether Hanley could have held his own defensively is still questionable but he could have been part of the mix with those you mentioned.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2015 20:22:07 GMT -5
I was for signing a cheap vet and letting him, Htolt, WMBs and Cecchini battle it out. There's wasn't many around here who wanted an overweight 3B with four seasons of declining numbers. Especially at $95 mill. Regardless, I guarantee you didn't predict he'd be below replacement value.
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 4, 2015 20:22:03 GMT -5
Unreal. Bleep you Farrell. Yeah, he should brought Ross in to start the inning. That would have worked. Or, maybe Way Back Ogando. We have numerous 6th inning options. As the last inning ended I told the wife that Owens with his pitch count and wanting to give him ML experience he should be done... but then Farrell is still here so look out!!!! I told the wife I actually don't care if the bullpen lost it but I wanted some hype for Owens. He will live but it could of been a hell of a lot better for the kid if his manager had any ability to actually manage.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 4, 2015 20:26:31 GMT -5
Making sure Owens' win-loss record isn't hurt isn't part of the long-term objective here. He's shown very good durability in the minor leagues and challenging him with the Yankees order a third time through is part of the development process.
Also, one thing I've always been impressed with by Owens is his poise, even when his stuff isn't especially sharp. I don't think a couple inherited runs scoring after he left is going to hurt his psyche.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 4, 2015 20:29:19 GMT -5
That's qwerty
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 4, 2015 20:30:08 GMT -5
Longtime baseball rule pet peeve coming into play right here: a manager shouldn't be able to make a pitching change mid-batter without an injury.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 4, 2015 20:35:17 GMT -5
Jackie Bradley Jr.: because facing that ridiculous lineup of SP his first time wasn't hard enough, he has to face Wilson and Betances in the same at bat. Talk about changing angles...
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Post by jmei on Aug 4, 2015 20:35:42 GMT -5
Longtime baseball rule pet peeve coming into play right here: a manager shouldn't be able to make a pitching change mid-batter without an injury. I'm honestly surprised it doesn't happen more often. Put in a strike-thrower if you get behind, put in a stuff guy if you get ahead.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2015 20:39:24 GMT -5
Longtime baseball rule pet peeve coming into play right here: a manager shouldn't be able to make a pitching change mid-batter without an injury. I'm honestly surprised it doesn't happen more often. Put in a strike-thrower if you get behind, put in a stuff guy if you get ahead. Good way to speed up the game, don't allow that crap.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 4, 2015 20:40:57 GMT -5
Longtime baseball rule pet peeve coming into play right here: a manager shouldn't be able to make a pitching change mid-batter without an injury. That doesn't bother me and should be done more often. One of the few things I agree with Remy on is banning pitching coaches from visiting the mound. Hitting coaches can't come out to help hitters mid ab. If the manager or PC comes out, new pitcher. Another easy way to speed up the game.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 4, 2015 20:48:03 GMT -5
Thought Bogaerts was getting to that ball.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2015 20:48:11 GMT -5
Haha, Farrell should come out and replace Sandoval and Napoli.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 4, 2015 20:49:44 GMT -5
Haha, Farrell should come out and replace Sandoval and Napoli. He should do it mid-batter.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2015 20:51:09 GMT -5
I love this BP so much
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 4, 2015 20:51:19 GMT -5
Generic Breslow sucks comment
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2015 20:52:11 GMT -5
That's the 3rd out they gave away this inning and there is 0 outs.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 4, 2015 20:53:23 GMT -5
What a dreadful defensive inning. Error on Xander that should have been handled by Napoli. Xander might have gotten a better jump on the grounder up the middle that JBJ and Pablo bobbled. Swihart misses a pop-up. Still nobody out.
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 4, 2015 20:55:15 GMT -5
Making sure Owens' win-loss record isn't hurt isn't part of the long-term objective here. He's shown very good durability in the minor leagues and challenging him with the Yankees order a third time through is part of the development process. Also, one thing I've always been impressed with by Owens is his poise, even when his stuff isn't especially sharp. I don't think a couple inherited runs scoring after he left is going to hurt his psyche. I think with the high pitch count through 5 innings and wanting the kid to get experience in more games is more important this late in a throwaway season than one inning in a game where he struggled early with control and got the high count then got out of 5 with a satisfactory outcome ... He needs more game chances not high pitch counts in few games right now and frankly so does Boston as a team. We have enough bad relievers to mop up a few more innings so when do they get bounced? But whatever happens happens to each his own.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2015 20:56:39 GMT -5
That's so shocking, Breslow allowing inherited runners to score. I never could have predicted it.
They should only bring Breslow in when they want to bean someone in the head.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 4, 2015 20:57:17 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why guys like Napoli, Breslow, and Masterson are still on the roster?
This organization is just so bad right now.
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Post by johnmark on Aug 4, 2015 20:59:07 GMT -5
Breslow Breslow You suck!
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2015 20:59:18 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why guys like Napoli, Breslow, and Masterson are still on the roster? This organization is just so bad right now. Napoli doesn't belong in this sentence.
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