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8/11-8/12 Red Sox @ Marlins Series Thread
nomar
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Post by nomar on Aug 12, 2015 6:53:50 GMT -5
I'm hoping for a Betts/Bradley/Heyward outfield next year. Our OF defense would be one of the best of all time and our pitching would thank us for it. Castillo as a 4th OF would be a luxury.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 12, 2015 9:04:26 GMT -5
Castillo as a fourth OF would also be a colossal waste of money. I'm hoping he's good enough to earn a starting spot.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 12, 2015 9:23:01 GMT -5
Pshh, Fangraphs has him as a -1.4 def. His defense hurts the team
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 12, 2015 9:31:18 GMT -5
No brainer: Mookie, JBJ, Rusney, the 2016 OF. To those who say "but look at JBJ's MLB AB's, I say they are situation dependent. Thrown into the deep end as a AA Rookie in '13. Still learning to hit in 2014, flailing, lost, hung out to dry, yet a finalist for the GG (which he should have won). Jerked around in 2015 while being the best hitter in the league in AAA. Finally, finally the bat catching up to the glove, to the baseball savvy, and still the doubts and certitude of trading him. Unreal. If he is what he porfends, and is a Sox for 4 more years before Borass drops the hammer, he is one of our most valuable players (player, not asset, and not fantasy chip) and should be starting in 2016 The potentially AllStar OF will cost $14M ($18-19 with deAza as #4.) Why would the FO even consider blowing it up for Hanley or anyone else. Fix the fecking bullpen, hire a #1 cor the rotation, figure out Hanley/Panda, and let 2016 begin. Or to put it another way, three years where you need to come up with some kind of excuse for his hitting in the major leagues.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Aug 12, 2015 10:20:31 GMT -5
What ever happened to Xander's power? Or his ability to draw walks? Or for that matter, Mookie's?
I'm glad Xander is hitting for a good average, but. . . its his other skills that made him such a highly touted prospect.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Aug 12, 2015 10:26:12 GMT -5
What ever happened to Xander's power? Or his ability to draw walks? Or for that matter, Mookie's? I'm glad Xander is hitting for a good average, but. . . its his other skills that made him such a highly touted prospect. This is a good article on Bogaerts's power or declining power: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/correa-bogaerts-and-the-development-of-power/Will be curious if he can make the improvements he has made to re-tap the power potential and hold his contact rate. Or if the power will never come back and what we see is what we will get. Not that there is anything wrong with Xander now but as you alluded to far from what we all had hoped last year.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 12, 2015 11:01:43 GMT -5
What ever happened to Xander's power? Or his ability to draw walks? Or for that matter, Mookie's? I'm glad Xander is hitting for a good average, but. . . its his other skills that made him such a highly touted prospect. This is a good article on Bogaerts's power or declining power: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/correa-bogaerts-and-the-development-of-power/Will be curious if he can make the improvements he has made to re-tap the power potential and hold his contact rate. Or if the power will never come back and what we see is what we will get. Not that there is anything wrong with Xander now but as you alluded to far from what we all had hoped last year. I've noticed over the last few games that teams were pitching him inside and he's been pulling the ball a lot more and hitting it hard. The power will be there on those inside pitches. The power is never going to come if they always pitch him outside. But in exchange for that, he'll be a .300 hitter IMO.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 12, 2015 11:15:08 GMT -5
Bogaerts is still just a kid. The league has been working on figuring him out, and he's figuring out the league. As you mention, they've started pitching him inside. That's because of the ridiculous contact rate he developed on pitches outside. He's been killing it, so that isn't working for the opposition now. I'm surprised it's taken this long for pitchers to start going inside, but that may just be a function of his ability to crush a few of those. That is, after all, why they started painting the corners last year. That strategy is now obsolete. Let's see what the chess game looks like going forward.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Aug 12, 2015 11:23:51 GMT -5
What ever happened to Xander's power? Or his ability to draw walks? Or for that matter, Mookie's? I'm glad Xander is hitting for a good average, but. . . its his other skills that made him such a highly touted prospect. I wonder the same thing. Specifically, I can see three possible versions of Xander Bogaerts: 1. As implied by Fangraphs, he lacks the contact tools and has to "sell out" his power potential. In this case what you see is what you get, a .280 to .300 hitter with 30+ doubles and slightly above average SS defense. 2. He finds a way to trade contact for power. In which case he becomes something close to what we expected only with slightly better defense. 3. This year is an evolution for a player who is a little more cerebral and less instinctive than many of his peers, and who learns, eventually to combine the skills he exhibited in the minors with those he has acquired this year. That version eventually becomes a monster. I have no idea which of these three versions will emerge, which makes him one of the most intriguing players in MLB.
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Post by ctfisher on Aug 12, 2015 11:28:22 GMT -5
I've noticed over the last few games that teams were pitching him inside and he's been pulling the ball a lot more and hitting it hard. The power will be there on those inside pitches. The power is never going to come if they always pitch him outside. But in exchange for that, he'll be a .300 hitter IMO. Not that it's an easy adjustment to make, but I think he really needs to develop the ability to drive the ball hard the other way, and the big thing outlined in that article is keeping his hands back, which you can really see with the Gomez video. I think if/when he demonstrates the ability to do that, pitchers won't keep basically only pitching him away as they currently do. He's obviously still a good player if he keeps playing short the way he has been and maintains the ability to hit for a high average, but in order to approach his ceiling, i think he has to develop at least some opposite field power
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Post by nomar on Aug 12, 2015 12:08:59 GMT -5
I made a similar post comparing Carlos Gomez and Bogaerts earlier this year. Fangraphs is always stealing our sh*t!
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Post by dangermike on Aug 12, 2015 12:15:05 GMT -5
Bogaerts is still just a kid. The league has been working on figuring him out, and he's figuring out the league. As you mention, they've started pitching him inside. That's because of the ridiculous contact rate he developed on pitches outside. He's been killing it, so that isn't working for the opposition now. I'm surprised it's taken this long for pitchers to start going inside, but that may just be a function of his ability to crush a few of those. That is, after all, why they started painting the corners last year. That strategy is now obsolete. Let's see what the chess game looks like going forward. The Bogaerts knocks on this site are becoming ridiculous. He couldn't hit a lick last year and he fixed that... what do you think the chances are that he makes adjustments after this season? Probably pretty high. He's 22 and possibly our best hitter let's all take a few deep breaths and just kinda wait and see. And same goes for Mookie- normally players don't come up and light the world on fire at 22. They weren't finished products when they arrived in Boston and they are getting better as the season is going along... RELAX. Plus, all their development this year and figuring out how to hit major league pitching was done with nothing on the line- no growing pains during a playoff run.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 12, 2015 12:36:20 GMT -5
I've noticed over the last few games that teams were pitching him inside and he's been pulling the ball a lot more and hitting it hard. The power will be there on those inside pitches. The power is never going to come if they always pitch him outside. But in exchange for that, he'll be a .300 hitter IMO. Not that it's an easy adjustment to make, but I think he really needs to develop the ability to drive the ball hard the other way, and the big thing outlined in that article is keeping his hands back, which you can really see with the Gomez video. I think if/when he demonstrates the ability to do that, pitchers won't keep basically only pitching him away as they currently do. He's obviously still a good player if he keeps playing short the way he has been and maintains the ability to hit for a high average, but in order to approach his ceiling, i think he has to develop at least some opposite field power I had that down when I played. I know exactly what you're talking about. But then I had trouble turning on inside pitches.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 12:56:47 GMT -5
JBJ, Betts, and Rusney all in the line up again. Papi back at 1b.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 12, 2015 13:07:19 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 12, 2015 14:02:22 GMT -5
today's starter, Adam Conley is a LHP
#61, Miami Height: 6-3 Weight: 185 Bats: L Throws: L Born: May 24, 1990
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2015 14:20:54 GMT -5
No brainer: Mookie, JBJ, Rusney, the 2016 OF. To those who say "but look at JBJ's MLB AB's, I say they are situation dependent. Thrown into the deep end as a AA Rookie in '13. Still learning to hit in 2014, flailing, lost, hung out to dry, yet a finalist for the GG (which he should have won). Jerked around in 2015 while being the best hitter in the league in AAA. Finally, finally the bat catching up to the glove, to the baseball savvy, and still the doubts and certitude of trading him. Unreal. If he is what he porfends, and is a Sox for 4 more years before Borass drops the hammer, he is one of our most valuable players (player, not asset, and not fantasy chip) and should be starting in 2016 The potentially AllStar OF will cost $14M ($18-19 with deAza as #4.) Why would the FO even consider blowing it up for Hanley or anyone else. Fix the fecking bullpen, hire a #1 cor the rotation, figure out Hanley/Panda, and let 2016 begin. Or to put it another way, three years where you need to come up with some kind of excuse for his hitting in the major leagues. I think that's fair. I didn't like all the excuses for Xander last year. Rooting big time for JBJ. I love watching great D. But he made himself a question mark. I hope he makes himself one of the answers.
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Post by nomar on Aug 12, 2015 14:57:11 GMT -5
Bogaerts, Betts and Ramirez have all stopped walking. Maybe a Chili Davis theology, more likely just them getting in bad habits. Either way, I wish someone would help them start remembering how to draw walks.
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Post by atzar on Aug 12, 2015 15:28:59 GMT -5
Ortiz hit that very, very hard.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 12, 2015 15:48:59 GMT -5
Think Eck likes NL ball?
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 12, 2015 16:01:55 GMT -5
The difference between Steven Wright and Eduardo Rodriguez is really quite stunning. It's not the runs that have come in... it's how hard the ball gets hit.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 12, 2015 16:06:43 GMT -5
8/12 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez 6-4 4.17) @ Marlins (RHP Adam Conley 1-0 4.05) 4 :10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI
LHP Adam Conley
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2015 16:07:12 GMT -5
Bogaerts should have to do pushups every time he hits a single.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 12, 2015 16:10:34 GMT -5
Bogaerts should have to do pushups every time he hits a single. He should just do a massive cycle of HGH, and concede the final games of this season and be good to go next year.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 12, 2015 16:26:52 GMT -5
The epitome of this season would be Rodriguez hurting himself here
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