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8/11-8/12 Red Sox @ Marlins Series Thread
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 12, 2015 18:06:13 GMT -5
Also, whoever gave the go-ahead on the Ryan Cook trade....well stop, just stop. They got him for cash and, in doing so, got a very low-cost look at a guy who, as recently as two years ago, was one of the better relievers in the league. Yeah, if Billy Beane is giving you a player of his for just cash, you should just walk away.
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Post by jdb on Aug 12, 2015 18:20:40 GMT -5
So, uh, first base defense is important. Just when I was coming around to giving Hanley a chance.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 12, 2015 18:49:19 GMT -5
This is the worst bullpen in the MLB. Major changes have to be made in the off season.
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2015 18:58:46 GMT -5
They got him for cash and, in doing so, got a very low-cost look at a guy who, as recently as two years ago, was one of the better relievers in the league. Yeah, if Billy Beane is giving you a player of his for just cash, you should just walk away. This Billy Beane idolization has gotten a little too far. The Donaldson and (first) Samardzija trades were two of the worst trades in recent history. Beane is no reliever-evaluating wizard, either. See, e.g., Jim Johnson, Tyler Clippard and Edward Mujica.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 12, 2015 19:17:49 GMT -5
Forgot about the game... Did E-Rod suck as much as his numbers indicate?
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Post by MLBDreams on Aug 12, 2015 19:41:25 GMT -5
John Henry, please fire everyone from FO & coaching staff after this season is over. The team been terrible for long time and likely finish last place again this season. It's been unacceptable by the team performance. Last year, it was bad offensive with fewest runs and too many shutouts and got rid of good pitchers by trades. This year, it was awful overall pitching staff (worst starter staff & much worst bullpen staff) that give up too many 10+ runs per game, gives the opponent too many big innings, and bullpen being unable to hold leads from inning 5 thru 8 once the starter pulled out early due to pitch count.
Please no more free pass to Ben due to 2013 WS title. It was 3 last place out of 4 seasons! It's really mess up on his part. I don't see any improvement if Ben stays around for 2016 season. Theo & Terry were force out of Boston for one lousy Sept collapse in their 8 seasons (all winning seasons). But Ben didn't. Too many excuses. I'm no longer trust in Ben. He stinks.
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Post by telluricrook on Aug 12, 2015 19:55:06 GMT -5
Whats the curse?
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Post by dd on Aug 12, 2015 20:29:36 GMT -5
Screw Jerry Dipoto...It may take a team of baseball forensic experts to find out whats wrong with this organization. How about Ted Wells?
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 12, 2015 20:45:27 GMT -5
Is it possible for Eduardo to not be the worst pitcher in baseball anytime he doesn't have his best stuff?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 12, 2015 23:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2015 7:05:39 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm the only one on this, but the anger and disappointment are gone. I'm just looking for the positive and ignoring the negative. I have Papi's 500th to look forward to and am rooting my butt off for Rusney, JBJ, Xander, Mookie and Blake.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 13, 2015 7:16:36 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm the only one on this, but the anger and disappointment are gone. I'm just looking for the positive and ignoring the negative. I have Papi's 500th to look forward to and am rooting my butt off for Rusney, JBJ, Xander, Mookie and Blake. .....replaced by resignation and the realization that we have hit bottom. Much like the 50's & 60's we are now rooting for individuals...except that these guys are young and represent part of the inevitable resurrection. I know that there are radical changes coming and that catharsis will be exciting for us all.
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Post by nomar on Aug 13, 2015 7:17:30 GMT -5
Is it possible for Eduardo to not be the worst pitcher in baseball anytime he doesn't have his best stuff? Lot of singles that could have been outs with a bit more luck yesterday, but he wasn't missing bats. If our manager gave him the hook at an appropriate time, it would've been a below average, but not horrible day. Obviously the bullpen doesn't give us many options.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 13, 2015 7:19:57 GMT -5
I have Papi's 500th to look forward to The best thing about which will be that it will create a glimmer of hope that Papi could retire this offseason and thereby solve the Hanley Ramirez problem.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 13, 2015 8:34:12 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm the only one on this, but the anger and disappointment are gone. I'm just looking for the positive and ignoring the negative. I have Papi's 500th to look forward to and am rooting my butt off for Rusney, JBJ, Xander, Mookie and Blake. You're not the only one. I kind of root for the Sox to lose at this point as I believe the draft position is more important than meaningless wins so I can't be angry if they blow a 4-0 lead to the Marlins or get killed by them because our pen stinks. I'm looking forward to Ortiz's 500th. At the rate he's going lately, he should get it by the end of August. I'm hoping for the young guys to do well. Other than that, I'm reserving my anger for if the Sox do something stupid (or at least in my perception which can be flawed at times) in the offseason. The disgust ended after the Sox ended their 8 game losing streak and officially waved the white flag. Honestly they were kind of done as soon as they fell under .500, which was a long time ago, not that a team should be done when that happens, but I knew this team at that point was going to stink. After awhile, you get intuition about things like that. So what happens is that when they lose it doesn't bother you much and when they win, it doesn't exactly excite you. Here's hoping that the Sox rebuild the right way and within time give us a team whose losses are agonizing and whose wins are exhilarating, for a long time to come.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 13, 2015 8:36:54 GMT -5
I have Papi's 500th to look forward to The best thing about which will be that it will create a glimmer of hope that Papi could retire this offseason and thereby solve the Hanley Ramirez problem. I want no part of the best (still) Red Sox offensive player retiring. I'd rather see Hanley retire before I see Ortiz retire. David Ortiz isn't the problem even though he winds up with blame he shouldn't be getting.
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Post by gerry on Aug 13, 2015 10:44:28 GMT -5
Amen to that. David Ortiz continues to be part of the solution, at bat, in the dugout and clubhouse, and with the public. Problems, on the firld, dugout, clubhouse and with the public appear to be Hanley and Panda, who should be dealt with accordingly.
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Post by mandelbro on Aug 13, 2015 10:52:56 GMT -5
The best thing about which will be that it will create a glimmer of hope that Papi could retire this offseason and thereby solve the Hanley Ramirez problem. I want no part of the best (still) Red Sox offensive player retiring. I'd rather see Hanley retire before I see Ortiz retire. David Ortiz isn't the problem even though he winds up with blame he shouldn't be getting. Amen. Losing our best hitter doesn't solve problems, it creates them. This is a mediocre offense WITH Ortiz.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 13, 2015 10:58:44 GMT -5
I want no part of the best (still) Red Sox offensive player retiring. I'd rather see Hanley retire before I see Ortiz retire. David Ortiz isn't the problem even though he winds up with blame he shouldn't be getting. Amen. Losing our best hitter doesn't solve problems, it creates them. This is a mediocre offense WITH Ortiz. Scary to think about how bad the offense would be without him. And it's scary to think that the Sox best offensive player is nearly 40 years old. It's been a long time since the Sox developed an impact middle of the order hitter. Youkilis and Nixon did have some nice power seasons, but you have to go back to Nomar and Mo Vaughn before them. Here's hoping Bogaerts takes the next step and that between Moncada, Devers, and possibly Benintendi the Sox develop the next wave of middle of the order power hitters.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 13, 2015 10:59:28 GMT -5
I want no part of the best (still) Red Sox offensive player retiring. I'd rather see Hanley retire before I see Ortiz retire. David Ortiz isn't the problem even though he winds up with blame he shouldn't be getting. Amen. Losing our best hitter doesn't solve problems, it creates them. This is a mediocre offense WITH Ortiz. I understand what you are trying to say, but there's a pretty high chance that Hanley's defense contributes more negative dWAR than the oWAR difference between Ortiz and Ramirez . Not to mention Hanley's oWAR may increase with less bodily strain, his injuries may decrease, and the WAR provided by the starting LF. Lots more factors going on than the fact that Ortiz has had a better offensive season than Hanley so far.
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Post by nomar on Aug 13, 2015 11:18:54 GMT -5
Amen. Losing our best hitter doesn't solve problems, it creates them. This is a mediocre offense WITH Ortiz. I understand what you are trying to say, but there's a pretty high chance that Hanley's defense contributes more negative dWAR than the oWAR difference between Ortiz and Ramirez . Not to mention Hanley's oWAR may increase with less bodily strain, his injuries may decrease, and the WAR provided by the starting LF. Lots more factors going on than the fact that Ortiz has had a better offensive season than Hanley so far. I agree with this premise, but if Hanley could be a below average LF next year rather than an awful one, this may not be the case. Or if Hanley plays a solid 1B. I'm also a bit weary of giving Hanley DH over Ortiz for 2016 because Hanley is worrying me at the plate. I understand not being physically 100%, but d anything that would make you want to be more selective and get on base other ways, yet Hanley never walks. His second half has been abysmal. In April he looked like a monster. Shame the way his season has gone.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 13, 2015 11:39:35 GMT -5
Amen. Losing our best hitter doesn't solve problems, it creates them. This is a mediocre offense WITH Ortiz. I understand what you are trying to say, but there's a pretty high chance that Hanley's defense contributes more negative dWAR than the oWAR difference between Ortiz and Ramirez . Not to mention Hanley's oWAR may increase with less bodily strain, his injuries may decrease, and the WAR provided by the starting LF. Lots more factors going on than the fact that Ortiz has had a better offensive season than Hanley so far. This is exactly my point. And at age 41, Ortiz might start next season the way he started this season... except that he never heats up and stays a below-average hitter. At the age the end can come very quickly.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2015 11:49:06 GMT -5
I understand what you are trying to say, but there's a pretty high chance that Hanley's defense contributes more negative dWAR than the oWAR difference between Ortiz and Ramirez . Not to mention Hanley's oWAR may increase with less bodily strain, his injuries may decrease, and the WAR provided by the starting LF. Lots more factors going on than the fact that Ortiz has had a better offensive season than Hanley so far. This is exactly my point. And at age 41, Ortiz might start next season the way he started this season... except that he never heats up and stays a below-average hitter. At the age the end can come very quickly. And Hanley could put up another 101 wRC+ next season. Probably not likely, but this team is the king of the probably not likely outcomes.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 13, 2015 12:34:53 GMT -5
Forgot about the game... Did E-Rod suck as much as his numbers indicate? YES! Maybe it is me, but he seemed sort of disinterested last night. Thank God he is only 22. Certainly he has time to become a top-of-the-rotation starter, but man he can suck when things don't go well for him. He can't seem to get back on track. When Dee Gordon started off by hitting one of his rare homers, E-Rod just didn't seem to be all that confident (immediately). The last thing we need on August 13th is worrying about another one of those 5 spots in the rotation for 2016. Dear E-Rod......come on!! We have way too much to worry about without having to now worry about you.
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