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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 29, 2015 0:02:31 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2015 9:04:57 GMT -5
Nice exhibition win for the Celtics against the Philadelphia Vocational School. When does the season start?
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 29, 2015 11:26:56 GMT -5
Philly should be relegated to the D-League, that team is atrocious. Okafor looked beastly though, I can look past the turnovers because lol 6ers. Can't wait until they trade him.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 30, 2015 22:46:02 GMT -5
Karl Anthony Towns is pretty good.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 1, 2015 6:26:28 GMT -5
Karl Anthony Towns is pretty good. And the best part of this is that the Wolves are 2-0. If they make the playoffs, or if they are one of the best 2 non-playoff teams, the Celtics get their 1st round pick. Dream scenario: Nets: 1st overall Mavs: 8th overall Wolves: 13th overall Celtics: 20-something Sixers: early 30s Mavs: late 30s Heat: 40s Celtics: 50s Cavs: 50s |
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Post by mobaz on Nov 2, 2015 16:10:50 GMT -5
Karl Anthony Towns is pretty good. And the best part of this is that the Wolves are 2-0. If they make the playoffs, or if they are one of the best 2 non-playoff teams, the Celtics get their 1st round pick. Dream scenario: Nets: 1st overall Mavs: 8th overall Wolves: 13th overall Celtics: 20-something 30 Sixers: early 30s Mavs: late 30s Heat: 40s Celtics: 50s Cavs: 50s FIFY. Seriously though, what on earth is this team going to do with that many picks? We just got 3 potential rotation players in this draft and are already one of the deepest teams in the league. Obviously still missing a star, but is there a better chance of packaging them together and ending up with, say, two top-5 picks in this draft than prying away a star like Cousins et al.? |
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Post by jmei on Nov 2, 2015 16:54:46 GMT -5
They won't keep all of those picks-- the second-rounders (especially the late ones) don't really figure into the roster picture (if they make those picks, they're probably not going to sign them right away, and there's a good chance they sell/trade at least some of those picks), and I still think the Wolves pick will roll over. But yeah, it's a nice war chest and gives Ainge the capital to go after anyone who becomes available.
Zach Lowe suggested in one of his pieces that the sheer number of players on the roster combined with the influx of upcoming picks means the Celtics might trade some pieces this year-- he suggested Sullinger and James Young. Those two guys do seem fairly fungible to me, though it's hard to think of what the Celtics would want in return.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 3, 2015 8:24:36 GMT -5
It's early, of course, but I'm struggling to see how those guys get you much of an upgrade.
The beauty of the "war chest" is that IF the C's could get someone to do a quantity for quality trade, the picks (plus the cap room Boston will have next year) could also be used to fill the back end of the roster. Not saying that it's likely someone will take a bunch of rotation players and give us a star but all of those picks give Danny the flexibility to either use them in a trade, store some overseas (or in the D-League) or back fill the roster should some big trade(s) be made.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2015 9:52:22 GMT -5
With the caveat that we truly don't know anything yet.
The Nets (0-4) blow and haven't even suffered Lopez injury yet so that's looking like a high lottery pick which is what we hoped for and is also great because we don't have to even think about if they Celtics should or shouldn't make the playoffs later on.
The Timberwolves play in the West so they will likely miss the playoffs BUT if they stay healthy they could sneak in because Towns and Wiggins look like they will be that good. Plus, there are other young players who could improve. That's a very interesting team and it wouldn't be a surprise to see them in the playoffs.
Dallas is a borderline playoff team so it's possible that does end up a late lottery pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2015 9:56:07 GMT -5
With regards to all the players on this roster, it is a tricky situation. They want to and will always be in the playoff race, but they also need to turn these players into assets for the future via trade and development. It's hard to see how that will all flow since you need to play your trade pieces (Lee, Turner, Johnson, sully, jerebko), but you also need to trade the pieces you need to develop (Rozier, Hunter, Young, sully).
But how do you trade any of these guys during the year for future assets if you are going for a playoff appearance?
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 4, 2015 22:06:23 GMT -5
Garbage start to the season.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 5, 2015 8:08:10 GMT -5
Free Olynyk.
Off this team, of course.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2015 10:18:32 GMT -5
Yea tough start. In the past I'd be hoping for a lot of losses for a rebuilding team, but the Nets are terrible and if they can get the Celtics a top 3 pick then winning is the best way to attack legit free agents. The combination of a top 3 pick, an improving team and Brad Stevens could be enough to get someone to sign here. I really believe it's possible that it could happen and the NBA is changing in that way. The issue is, who's really a free agent that would be the type this team needs? It's only Durant and that's highly unlikely.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 5, 2015 11:11:38 GMT -5
Al Horford?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2015 12:33:14 GMT -5
Yea... I guess he's the other one... He'd be a great get, if they didn't blow their cap room on lessor guys after.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2015 14:01:51 GMT -5
Nets lost to the Lakers at home.... Oh man what happens when Lopez suffers his yearly injury
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Post by izzy on Nov 7, 2015 14:45:54 GMT -5
Free Olynyk. Off this team, of course. He played great last night. The team seems to always play better when he's on the court. I think it's because despite his deficiencies, he is a very good help defender, a good passer for a big man, and spreads the floor on offense. |
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Post by ianrs on Nov 7, 2015 15:56:55 GMT -5
I would love if the Celtics picked up Kris Dunn in the 2016 draft assuming he declares. I know the frontcourt is loaded already, but I think he will end up the best or second best player in that class. God bless the Nets.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 7, 2015 16:16:30 GMT -5
I like Dunn, but I'd be disappointed if that's who the Celtics ended up using the Nets pick on.
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Post by bookiemetts on Nov 7, 2015 22:22:38 GMT -5
Yeah if you look at some of the super early mock drafts they have Kris Dunn going mid first round, which could be around the C's own first pick.
The Nets are a terrible, god awful, atrocious, dumpster fire of a team.
There's a real chance that is the number 1 pick, definitely top 5.
I'd love to get Ben Simmons or Jaylen Brown with that pick.
Edit: Brook Lopez exited the game in the 4th with a sore foot which happens to be the same one he's had a few surgeries on.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2015 8:01:19 GMT -5
Sore foot for Lopez.... Hmmm. I never like to wish an injury on a player but the worse the Nets are the better.
Don't look now but the Timberwolves are going to contend for a playoff spot. They may not make it but how funny would it be if they edged out the Mavs for the 8 seed in the West.
The Celtics may struggle to make the playoffs as the East is much improved it seems. Top teams in the East, no particular order numbers just for count.
1. Cleve
2. Atl
3. Chi
4. Tor
5. Miami
6. Washington
Then you have 6 teams:
1. Indiana
2. Milwaukee
3. Detroit
4. Orlando
5. New York
6. Boston
The first 5 teams have at least one player arguably 2 or 3 for some that would be the best players on the Celtics. That's bad news on a lot of levels in the NBA. Celtics own them all in depth which is key for regular season but low value in playoffs.
Prediction: Celtics don't make playoffs
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Post by ianrs on Nov 8, 2015 15:14:58 GMT -5
I like Dunn, but I'd be disappointed if that's who the Celtics ended up using the Nets pick on. Agreed. In an ideal world, we pick Dunn up with one of the mid 1st round picks, and get a big early. Would love Simmons. Some will depend on his season, but I could see Dunn top 5-10, so I suppose it's a matter of talent evaluation and other prospects available. I hate comps, but I see a lot of DWade in him. In any case, that trade was a steal, and this will be a fun season (and draft) to watch. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2015 8:47:30 GMT -5
So not sure on who to draft yet but I'm enjoying watching the standings already even those we are only 8-10% into the schedule...
Already talked about the East and why I'm thinking the Celtics probably don't make the playoffs. The Nets certainly won't make it so that'd be two lottery picks with the Nets pick a top 5... Celtics pick would be mid to later lottery. 6-14
So the West. Here are the guaranteed playoff teams, assuming health.
1. Golden State
2. LAC
3. San Antonio
4. Houston
5. Oklahoma
Then the next group I look at as highly likely:
1. Memphis
2. Utah
Since the end of last year after the Kanter trade Utah has been very good. They seem legit and probably should be in the top group. Memphis has started slower but is a near lock as a team that's been there done that.
Then the battle for the 8:
1. Minnesota
2 Dallas
3. Phoenix
I really think that top 7 is going to be in the playoffs and it will come down to these two teams. Minnesota with Towns and Wiggins plus the veterans and other young talent looks legit to me. They just beat Chicago in a tight game late (character win) and dominated Atlanta in Atlanta which is hard to do and the Hawks are a very very good team. Can't count out Dallas though and the Suns will hang around.
Longer shots:
1. Denver
2. Portland
Denver has talent but isn't good enough and Portland lost too much and is too young. Great back court though.
Prediction: Minnesota gets the 8 seed and Dallas the 9th spot. Ideal situation for the Celtics as Minnesota now gives Boston its first rd pick and the Dallas first ends up at number 13.
Boston gets the following picks:
2 (From the Nets - bc we know they can't win the lottery)
8 (their own pick - top 7 are: sixers - nets - hornets - Pelicans - nuggets - lakers)
13 (Dallas)
15 (Minnesota)
Danny tries to package 8 - 13 -15 to move up to 3 or 4. We hope he does better than Chicago with Curry and Chandler.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 10, 2015 9:35:01 GMT -5
So not sure on who to draft yet but I'm enjoying watching the standings already even those we are only 8-10% into the schedule... Already talked about the East and why I'm thinking the Celtics probably don't make the playoffs. The Nets certainly won't make it so that'd be two lottery picks with the Nets pick a top 5... Celtics pick would be mid to later lottery. 6-14 So the West. Here are the guaranteed playoff teams, assuming health. 1. Golden State 2. LAC 3. San Antonio 4. Houston 5. Oklahoma Then the next group I look at as highly likely: 1. Memphis 2. Utah Since the end of last year after the Kanter trade Utah has been very good. They seem legit and probably should be in the top group. Memphis has started slower but is a near lock as a team that's been there done that. Then the battle for the 8: 1. Minnesota 2 Dallas 3. Phoenix I really think that top 7 is going to be in the playoffs and it will come down to these two teams. Minnesota with Towns and Wiggins plus the veterans and other young talent looks legit to me. They just beat Chicago in a tight game late (character win) and dominated Atlanta in Atlanta which is hard to do and the Hawks are a very very good team. Can't count out Dallas though and the Suns will hang around. Longer shots: 1. Denver 2. Portland Denver has talent but isn't good enough and Portland lost too much and is too young. Great back court though. Prediction: Minnesota gets the 8 seed and Dallas the 9th spot. Ideal situation for the Celtics as Minnesota now gives Boston its first rd pick and the Dallas first ends up at number 13. Boston gets the following picks: 2 (From the Nets - bc we know they can't win the lottery) 8 (their own pick - top 7 are: sixers - nets - hornets - Pelicans - nuggets - lakers) 13 (Dallas) 15 (Minnesota) Danny tries to package 8 - 13 -15 to move up to 3 or 4. We hope he does better than Chicago with Curry and Chandler. I think you're really under rating this Celtics team. With the depth they have it will take time to figure out the rotations, but they have a very good shot at the playoffs in the east. If the miss, it won't be enough to get a top 10 pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2015 10:09:14 GMT -5
I may be or I may be over-valuing the other teams in the East but when I really break it down and look at the teams in the East I see a lot of teams who are a lot better than the Celtics with individual talent. The NBA is a league that top end matters way more than depth and when you check these teams out they have better top end talent than the Celtics.
I mean look at it, last year the Celtics were the 7 seed behind (Cleve, atl, chi, tor, wash, mil). Those 6 are all still playoff teams. If healthy, I think Detroit, Miami and Indiana are clearly better with Drummond, Wade/Bosh and George leading the way. The Celtics don't have a player on those guys level. That would push the Celtics out of the playoffs. Then you have teams like Orlando and the Knicks that have better high end talent than the Celtics as well. That's 12th place in he conference and easily a top 10 pick.
Depth matters but all those teams that were inept or dealing with injuries to key players last year have gotten better and added more talent. Remember, we were thinking high lottery pick last year until the Celtics went on a ridiculous run of 24-12 to end the year.
So I'm short, I find it hard to see how the Celtics have more top end talent than any of the teams I named. And when I say too end, compare the top 4 players on any of those teams to whoever the Celtics top 4 are and tell me who's you'd prefer.
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