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2016 Boston Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2016 14:29:33 GMT -5
Atlanta is trying now to trade both 1st rounders (clear everything off their books to bring back Horford and Bazemore, presumably)
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 22, 2016 14:31:22 GMT -5
My quick thought on the Utah/Indy/ATL trade: Hill > #12 > Teague Not sure what the Pacers are doing here. They're letting Solomon Hill walk for no reason. They signed Monta. They traded Hill for another PG, who is likely a worse fit next with Monta. Oh well. Chavo, you and I are thinking alike here. I've wanted Boston to package picks to move up somewhere from 8-12 to get a player like Brown or Davis. Trading for Noel seems unlikely with picks in that range at this time. If a trade could be found to do that I think it would be ideal. The only issue though is that it kind of locks us into going with a guard with the top pick, which is fine, but I think there are valid concerns that have been raised with Murray (though I do think he seems like he has the body type/age profile to improve his athleticism in an NBA strength and conditioning program) and to me, Dunn at 3 feels like a reach- he's not a good fit with the personnel already on the roster or our team needs. He fits the high character/high work ethic mould and he's clearly very talented, but what are we going to do with another 6'4 athletic guard with questionable jumper and excellent defense? On the Pacers, I'd generally agree, but I'd also have to give Larry Bird the benefit of the doubt, he's been pretty good at spotting talent/fit over the years, and it seems like he may have just bought low on Teague, who apparently played on a partially torn patellar tendon this year and was way better last season Their entire team is made up of guards at this point. I'm thinking if anything it gives them more time to wait on Bender to develop behind/with a guy like Noel cemented in. |
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Post by cto94 on Jun 22, 2016 14:45:30 GMT -5
Their entire team is made up of guards at this point. I'm thinking if anything it gives them more time to wait on Bender to develop behind/with a guy like Noel cemented in. Yep but guards who can't shoot the 3. If we move up later to take a Davis/Brown type of player, we need a shooter too. I do not trust Bender at all and I would rather not take him, and based on the rumors flying around the front office has cooled on him as well. Ideally, I would flip picks with the Suns, take Chriss, then try to move up to 7-9 and hope that Hield is still on the board there. I have absolutely no expectation that things will play out like that, but that's what I'd be gunning for if I could |
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Post by tizzle on Jun 22, 2016 14:49:47 GMT -5
Also just saw (and have heard for a while) that the Suns are shopping Bledsoe and interested in Dunn as a replacement, which should give us additional leverage in trying to deal that pick or potentially dropping down a spot and picking up an additional pick/player given that Dunn seems to be in pretty high demand among teams rumored to be trying to move up I'd be fine with 3+16 for 4+13. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2016 15:24:14 GMT -5
So does Rose move make the Butler trade more or less likely?
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Post by tizzle on Jun 22, 2016 15:53:25 GMT -5
So does Rose move make the Butler trade more or less likely? Would assume less. The feeling was the two couldn't co-exist. Plus getting Robin Lopez doesn't feel like a rebuilding move. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2016 16:23:26 GMT -5
Who do you guys like at picks 16, 23, 31 and 35? I know chances are we never make all those picks, but as of right now we have no idea which ones will be moved or draft and stash international guys.
At 16 I would have a hard time passing on Sabonis, Poeltl, Ellenson or Davis if they fell to 16. I also love Bembry, seems highly underrated at this point.
At 23 I would look at Jones, Zizic, Maker, McCaw, Valentine and Diallo. Jones while risky just has an NBA body and all the tools, elite athlete and he can shoot. Not sure what his injury will do to draft stock. This is the pick were I would try and hit a home run. Would go Jones, Maker and then Diallo.
At 31 I would look at Stone, Bentil, Luwawu, Prince, and Hermangomez. Bentil jumps out for me as he can really score and has 3 point range as a legit PF.
At 35 I would look at Yabusele, Qi, Cornelie, Brogdon, Johnson and Zimmerman.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2016 19:27:19 GMT -5
Rumor is Celtics will take Dunn at 3 but that could be a smoke screen
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2016 19:32:28 GMT -5
Sullinger isn't going to be worth his next contract id bet on that. I'm all set with him. Going to Jmei's point you have a cap and limited roster spots he's not a guy I want to use either on if I'm trying to build a winning team. His numbers don't mean anything to me, I can't see him being affective against the teams you would need to be affective against to win. I can't see building a style of play that suites him and winning long term and I don't trust him. Sometimes its better to move on.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2016 19:33:11 GMT -5
I don't really know what the Knicks were thinking short of making headlines and getting out of Lopez contract.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2016 19:33:39 GMT -5
People who don't like that move for the Jazz are under-rating Hill he will be a great add to that team.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 22, 2016 19:51:32 GMT -5
Rumor is Celtics will take Dunn at 3 but that could be a smoke screen The only way they legitimately draft Dunn is if Smart, IT or both are on the move. That Hill move probably makes Hayward to Boston more unlikely as well. Seems like they are going for a "win now" type of pitch so that he re-signs next year. I think i would rather the Celtics try to sign him next year as they wouldn't have to give up any major assets and you obviously have the Stevens connection. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 22, 2016 20:18:26 GMT -5
No doubt the team has to make some other moves, but I do like the Dunn pick and at this point in the draft you just have to take the player you think will be the best NBA player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2016 20:24:10 GMT -5
They can take Dunn without trading either of those guys right now. It's possibly Bradley they are looking to deal or perhaps Dunn himself.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 22, 2016 20:47:51 GMT -5
People who don't like that move for the Jazz are under-rating Hill he will be a great add to that team. The last time Hill was traded for a mid teens pick was kind of sort of lopsided. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 23, 2016 6:08:35 GMT -5
There are also rumors they will take Brown.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2016 6:59:53 GMT -5
Not Celtics related but I hope the Bucks hit with the 10th pick. No idea who they will target there, probably a big or a PG but I really like that young nucleus they have and hope they can keep it together. Just like I hope the Jazz step it up this year and OKC keeps that team together long term. I like smaller markets being good, if they aren't it kind of defeats the point of the salary cap. I also like teams that are built from within. If the Jazz, can really step it up by staying healthy it will be s team reminiscent of the Pistons teams built on depth rather than stars and that should make Celtics fans feel better.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2016 7:02:18 GMT -5
I guess that brings me to the question of can you win with a team of depth and not the top heavy star teams? I think you can as long as that depth has a certain level of quality. You also need all the right pieces to fit together almost perfectly so it's obviously much much harder. And your "depth" players, at least some of them need to be the close to all-star types like Thomas was last year.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 23, 2016 7:45:40 GMT -5
I guess that brings me to the question of can you win with a team of depth and not the top heavy star teams? I think you can as long as that depth has a certain level of quality. You also need all the right pieces to fit together almost perfectly so it's obviously much much harder. And your "depth" players, at least some of them need to be the close to all-star types like Thomas was last year. The 2004 Pistons are the only real team I can remember winning that way. |
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 23, 2016 7:51:32 GMT -5
I guess that brings me to the question of can you win with a team of depth and not the top heavy star teams? I think you can as long as that depth has a certain level of quality. You also need all the right pieces to fit together almost perfectly so it's obviously much much harder. And your "depth" players, at least some of them need to be the close to all-star types like Thomas was last year. I think this is the key. Depth for the sake of depth isn't worth much in the playoffs. Rotations usually are trimmed down by then. The 2004 Pistons team only had 1 All-Star (Ben Wallace). Not sure you need a "superstar" to win a title, but I think it's rare when a a team does win without one. The 4 teams competing for a title this year: Spurs -- Leonard (2nd in MVP voting + DPOY) Cavs -- LeBron OKC -- Durant/RWB Warriors -- Curry Kind of hard to argue against that it takes a superstar to compete for a title in the near future. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2016 7:52:56 GMT -5
Who do you guys like at picks 16, 23, 31 and 35? I know chances are we never make all those picks, but as of right now we have no idea which ones will be moved or draft and stash international guys. At 16 I would have a hard time passing on Sabonis, Poeltl, Ellenson or Davis if they fell to 16. I also love Bembry, seems highly underrated at this point. At 23 I would look at Jones, Zizic, Maker, McCaw, Valentine and Diallo. Jones while risky just has an NBA body and all the tools, elite athlete and he can shoot. Not sure what his injury will do to draft stock. This is the pick were I would try and hit a home run. Would go Jones, Maker and then Diallo. At 31 I would look at Stone, Bentil, Luwawu, Prince, and Hermangomez. Bentil jumps out for me as he can really score and has 3 point range as a legit PF. At 35 I would look at Yabusele, Qi, Cornelie, Brogdon, Johnson and Zimmerman. I would be thrilled if they ended up with Davis at 16, but I don't think he will be available. If they draft a big, I want it to be a long athletic one who can play defense and rebound. Sabonis and Poeltl don't interest me too much. Other players that can get me excited: Valentine - Other than his "injury" concerns he has no business being available this late. I think Valentine has to be your pick at 16 if he's there, assuming Davis is gone. 6'5 with length, great play maker and rebounder for his position and can shoot very well. He lacks burst so the concern is he will be guarded tightly but he makes up for that by being both good off screens and as a spot up shooter, plus if he's being guarded tight then it opens the floor. The concern is he's a poor defender but if he's that smart and had the length he has then I feel that can be taught. Especially, team defense etc. Korkmaz @ 23 as a draft and stash would be nice to have that shooter developing over seas. Zizic @ 23 as a draft and stash athletic big would be nice. Brice Johnson at the early second round would be a good get. Nothing to lose but probably won't have a spot for him roster wise... Taurean Prince is a guy I want. I'd be fine if they took him at 16 assuming a couple other guys were already gone. I would prefer Prince to Diallo, but would be happy with Diallo in the second round. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2016 8:03:53 GMT -5
I figured I'd take a chance at my dream scenario draft for the Celtics should they keep their first 5 picks. Even though it's a dream scenario it needs to be based in some sense of realistic positivity. At some spots I am offering up 2 possible selections:
3. Dunn/Murray (I've even talked myself into Brown being ok here now)
16. Davis/Valentine
23. Valentine/Prince/Korkmaz
31. Prince/Zizic
35. Yabusele/Qi
Basically, if they make all 5 picks they need 2 or 3 to be draft and stash guys. Fortunately, there's options available. Korkmaz and Zizic are my two favorites.
I realize I'm guard/wing heavy on a roster already heavy there but I don't really care about position relative to the roster. I only do in the sense of filling the 15 man spot not anyone blocking others.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2016 8:05:54 GMT -5
I just got a message notification that the Nets are shopping Young for a first rd pick. I'd be tickled pink if this happened had he was a good player for them, it won't be a high first and I don't his salary off the books helps them attract or get better via free agency. I see it as the Celtics picks next year and the year after getting better.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 23, 2016 8:40:19 GMT -5
Reports are that teams are taking Maker off their board bc he's more likely 21-23 instead of 19.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 23, 2016 8:48:10 GMT -5
Yeah Maker really seems like a nice kid, but hasn't improved or dominated like a kid should with his size/length. He seemed like a very late 1st round pick at best to me, even if he is 19. I'd probably bet on Qi than him -- and who knows how old he is either.
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