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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 27, 2016 14:53:50 GMT -5
Well if you're $20M under the salary floor and there is a free agent who is worth $10M with a lot of suiters, you're better off just blowing them out of the water and paying $20 rather than letting him sign elsewhere.
Same total payroll, but now you have a $10M guy.
This is why you're going to see a lot of mediocre free agents get big money this year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2016 15:01:12 GMT -5
Well if you're $20M under the salary floor and there is a free agent who is worth $10M with a lot of suiters, you're better off just blowing them out of the water and paying $20 rather than letting him sign elsewhere. Same total payroll, but now you have a $10M guy. This is why you're going to see a lot of mediocre free agents get big money this year. Most free agents want multi year deals, so you would ruin cap space in future years. Very few players that can make 10 million a year accept deals like Johnson did. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2016 15:15:51 GMT -5
The additions of Simmons, Embiid, and Dario Saric will improve Philly significantly from last year. That's not to mention the possibility that they still flip Noel or Okafor for established backcourt help. I think Philly could make the jump to 20-25 wins this year. Agreed that Sac will likely regress and compete (but hopefully not out-compete) with Bkn for worst record. Maybe but it's far from a sure thing. Sixers have worst collections of guards in NBA, worst than Brooklyn. Also how do you give all those bigs minutes to keep them happy? It's like the Celtics adding Dunn and Murray, sure the talent level increased, but not sure it would have any big effect on wins. You can only play so many guards. Still think Sixers, Lakers, and Suns look like bottom 3 teams. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2016 9:21:04 GMT -5
While we heard Sixers offered Noel, Covington and two first round picks for #3. Reports now say what Danny wanted, Noel and the Laker pick for #3.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2016 9:26:01 GMT -5
I would offer Rozier, Young and the 2019 Clipper first round pick for Noel. That trade would help both teams balance their rosters.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 28, 2016 9:35:14 GMT -5
I would offer Rozier, Young and the 2019 Clipper first round pick for Noel. That trade would help both teams balance their rosters. Not sure why Philly would consider this. What's your reasoning? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2016 9:45:57 GMT -5
They need guards. They have way too many bigs. Seems Noel is big they want to move. Reports indicate that Noel's value is low around league. Noel is free agent next year and could leave for nothing.
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Post by ishkabibble on Jun 28, 2016 10:46:59 GMT -5
I'd certainly still be going after Noel; he's be a better fit for what the C's are trying to do defensively. And he shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. As currently constructed, trying to determine who's gonna make Boston's roster is maddening. They have too many good players and worthwhile prospects.
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Post by nomar on Jun 28, 2016 11:22:05 GMT -5
I'd sign Crabbe to replace Turner's roster spot and Marvin Williams to replace Amir, whose option I would pick up and trade. This would help us actually play a pace and space game.
I'm not big on Whiteside. He sells out for blocks and gives up too many easy buckets because of it, and is one of the worst passes in the history of the sport. That's not even getting into his personality.
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Post by cto94 on Jun 28, 2016 12:06:13 GMT -5
I would offer Rozier, Young and the 2019 Clipper first round pick for Noel. That trade would help both teams balance their rosters. Not sure why Philly would consider this. What's your reasoning? I think that's actually a pretty viable deal for Noel, maybe throw an additional 2nd rounder in (I'm sure we have one kicking around). They clearly don't seem to be getting much interest around the league for him, they are severely lacking in backcourt depth and quality, and rozier shows a good amount of promise but can't really expect to see many minutes for us realistically |
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 28, 2016 13:20:47 GMT -5
I'd sign Crabbe to replace Turner's roster spot and Marvin Williams to replace Amir, whose option I would pick up and trade. This would help us actually play a pace and space game. I'm not big on Whiteside. He sells out for blocks and gives up too many easy buckets because of it, and is one of the worst passes in the history of the sport. That's not even getting into his personality. They just drafted Brown to soak up a lot of those minutes. Plus have Rozier/Hunter/Young waiting to take any guard minutes available. I like Crabbe, but he doesn't seem like good signing with the roster Boston has right now. Williams could be a nice fit, WOJ guessed he would make around $14-15M per year. I'd rather have Whiteside trying to finish at the rim out of a pick and roll where he puts up 1.34 points per possession, than passing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2016 13:44:25 GMT -5
I'd sign Crabbe to replace Turner's roster spot and Marvin Williams to replace Amir, whose option I would pick up and trade. This would help us actually play a pace and space game. I'm not big on Whiteside. He sells out for blocks and gives up too many easy buckets because of it, and is one of the worst passes in the history of the sport. That's not even getting into his personality. Don't see how Crabbe fits on team and I would rather have Johnson over Williams. Add in fact that Williams will get crazy contract this year and it's not even close . |
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Post by nomar on Jun 28, 2016 16:41:49 GMT -5
Johnson gets 12 and Williams can space much better and play solid D. He'll get 2-3M more but with the new cap who cares?
Also Hunter is borderline garbage. A shooter who can't shoot. Couldn't his last year of college either. If we could sign Crabbe I would do it without considering Hunter or Young at all.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2016 19:40:20 GMT -5
I know advanced stats like real plus minus aren't everything, but they show most of Johnson value on defensive side and Williams is the opposite most of value comes from offensive side. Would rather have Johnson's better D and rebounding. Also 2-3 million doesn't bother me, it's the fact that Williams will get a 3-4 year deal at that amount that bothers me.
Now with Crabbe you said replace Turner who played most of minutes at SF, but we just drafted Brown. Hence why I don't see fit. Now you want to replace Hunter and Young with Crabbe. You get they hardly played last year right? You want to give a decent sized contract to Crabbe to become our #4 guard? He's not going to move a head of Bradley, Smart and Thomas. Players like Crabbe are going to greatly benefit from increase in cap. Young players with upside. I could see him getting 3-4 year deal at 6-8 million a year. That's just too much for a team who's biggest strength is it's guard depth. I like the player and he would be a good fit on a lot of teams like Nets and Sixers, but not Celtics.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2016 0:52:48 GMT -5
Dwight Howard has meeting with Atlanta and Boston on July 1st.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 29, 2016 10:36:17 GMT -5
I bet Crabbe gets more than that in this environment. He's the type of guy you over pay on that one year deal to get him hoping to hit a home run. His one year deal won't affect his next contract and you have to spend the money anyways.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 29, 2016 10:36:45 GMT -5
I'd be ok with Howard if it wasn't a long term deal. 1 maybe 2 years but I don't like the guy or love the player.
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Post by cto94 on Jun 29, 2016 11:34:56 GMT -5
Also Hunter is borderline garbage. A shooter who can't shoot. Couldn't his last year of college either. If we could sign Crabbe I would do it without considering Hunter or Young at all. Jumping to some serious conclusions about a guy with one year in the league who was triple teamed on pretty much every possession in the one year of college stats that you cited. His shot has fallen in extremely limited minutes in the NBA so far. That doesn't by any means imply that it never will, especially seeing as he shot 88% on free throws across his last 2 years of college (much better predictor of 3P% in the pros than college 3P%) and passes the eye test as a guy with a really quick, good-looking release. Given that both he and Young are still on cheap rookie deals, why would you throw a ton of money at Crabbe when there's a decent possibility that one of those guys can give you similar production and make about 1/10th the money? |
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Post by cto94 on Jun 29, 2016 11:37:31 GMT -5
I bet Crabbe gets more than that in this environment. He's the type of guy you over pay on that one year deal to get him hoping to hit a home run. His one year deal won't affect his next contract and you have to spend the money anyways. Why would he sign a 1-year deal though? He's 24 years old and he was a 2nd round pick, that would make absolutely no sense for him or for any team that wants to sign him |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 29, 2016 11:39:21 GMT -5
If the multi year offers are 4/28 and a 1 year is 1/14 that's how it would make sense... Bank 14m and get a ton of playing time and hit he market in an even bigger cap environment as an established player. injury risk is minimal when you pull in that much
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Post by cto94 on Jun 29, 2016 11:50:29 GMT -5
If the multi year offers are 4/28 and a 1 year is 1/14 that's how it would make sense... Bank 14m and get a ton of playing time and hit he market in an even bigger cap environment as an established player. injury risk is minimal when you pull in that much Except that there's not a starting role open for him in Boston- he's not replacing Bradley or Crowder, can't play any other positions, and there's also Smart and Jaylen Brown competing for minutes at the 2 and 3. Where's his "ton of playing time" coming from, even if you totally discount Hunter and Young? Also given what the free agent market looked like last year, a 24 year old who's a 40% 3 point shooter with the prospect of continued improvement as a player is definitely getting more than $7m AAV even for a multiyear deal, and even if he wouldn't, why would you not take the $28m when you will then hit free agency again at 28 and have a chance to sign a bigger contract as a more established player with a higher salary cap? I'm sorry I don't see this happening at all- they might go after Crabbe if they look to make a deal using Crowder or Bradley as trade bait, but he's not signing a 1-year deal, and in the absence of any trades, I'd be surprised if we pursued him at all |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 29, 2016 14:01:02 GMT -5
Oh I wasn't advocating here was speaking strictly in a general sense.. Carry on
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 29, 2016 14:04:48 GMT -5
I'm of the assumption Crabbe is getting around $13M/per.
I'd also take Marvin Williams over Amir Johnson. I like Marvin Williams and Harrison Barnes about the same. Both pretty good, benefit the team, allow you to space the floor and not get killed on the boards. He would be a valuable addition to the team, even at $15M.
The issue with positive additions like Marvin is: the longer term contracts they'll likely require. Boston isn't super unique in the ability to sign 2 max contracts, most teams will be able to as well under the new cap jump. But Boston would be able to add 2 max players to a really good roster of superb role players. That's likely the differentiating factor of them compared to others.
I could definitely see them going after Howard on a 1 year "max" deal. Not sure he would want that though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2016 14:20:57 GMT -5
I'm of the assumption Crabbe is getting around $13M/per. I'd also take Marvin Williams over Amir Johnson. I like Marvin Williams and Harrison Barnes about the same. Both pretty good, benefit the team, allow you to space the floor and not get killed on the boards. He would be a valuable addition to the team, even at $15M. The issue with positive additions like Marvin is: the longer term contracts they'll likely require. Boston isn't super unique in the ability to sign 2 max contracts, most teams will be able to as well under the new cap jump. But Boston would be able to add 2 max players to a really good roster of superb role players. That's likely the differentiating factor of them compared to others. I could definitely see them going after Howard on a 1 year "max" deal. Not sure he would want that though. I hope your wrong about Crabbe getting 13 million a year, because if that's true Sullinger is getting a max level deal. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2016 14:27:54 GMT -5
So seems Danny's plan a is Durant and Horford. Then plan b is players like Howard. I would be happy with Howard, but not a long term max deal. Going to be very interesting going forward. Impressed Celtics got meetings with Horford, Durant and Howard right at start of free agency.
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