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2016 Boston Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 4, 2016 18:58:02 GMT -5
Celtics can go over the cap to sign Sullinger but even with picking up Jerebko and Johnson, I think that only puts them at 82m of the 95m cap... Right around there anyway... It will be interesting to see how Frenchy does during summer league - he may stick if he does well... I am really intrigued by him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 4, 2016 19:53:01 GMT -5
They had like 55 million, 28 plus for Horford, 17 million for our two non guaranteed contracts and a little over 8 million in cap holds for Sullinger and Zeller. So we don't have cap room. They can go over cap to sign Sullinger, but do they pay 12 plus million a year on long term deal for a back up? It would be awesome if they did, as we would have great front court depth.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 4, 2016 21:43:25 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown got to the line 17 times in his first summer league game today.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 4, 2016 21:51:55 GMT -5
No longer a Durant fan, and the NBA just got a lot less interesting. Do you think these guys give a damn if their "superteams" damage the league? Celtics fans of all people can't complain about "superteams." Not only have we had our fair share over the years, but we wanted to sign KD for exactly that reason. KD, Horford, Thomas, and maybe a trade for Butler or Hayward is what everyone was hoping for...it's no different. If anything, I give GSW credit for basically drafting and developing it's own Big 3 instead of trading or signing guys. KD is just the icing. That said, I respect LBJ's decision (minus the theatrics, which was awful) to leave Cleveland and play with his buddies and thus create a superteam from scratch more than KD's decision to jump on a 73-win bandwagon. But KD has earned the right to choose. |
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Post by burk on Jul 4, 2016 21:53:06 GMT -5
Rumor on a Kentucky blog site said Cousins to Boston via trade,y'all heard anything like that up there? Just wondering?
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 4, 2016 21:59:27 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown got to the line 17 times in his first summer league game today. And hit 65% of his FTs while shooting 2/7 from the field. This is basically what we knew about him. He's an athletic guy who can penetrate and get to the line but can't shoot. |
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Post by tizzle on Jul 4, 2016 23:29:37 GMT -5
Celtics fans of all people can't complain about "superteams." Not only have we had our fair share over the years, but we wanted to sign KD for exactly that reason. KD, Horford, Thomas, and maybe a trade for Butler or Hayward is what everyone was hoping for...it's no different. Neither of those are valid comparisons to what Durant did. Not even close. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 5, 2016 6:31:02 GMT -5
They had like 55 million, 28 plus for Horford, 17 million for our two non guaranteed contracts and a little over 8 million in cap holds for Sullinger and Zeller. So we don't have cap room. They can go over cap to sign Sullinger, but do they pay 12 plus million a year on long term deal for a back up? It would be awesome if they did, as we would have great front court depth. They are at about 87m if they renounce the cap holds from Zeller and Sully. www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/I'd stand pat and go with his 15 man roster: Back court: Thomas Bradley Smart Rozier Young Wings: Crowder Brown Hunter Front court: Horford Johnson Okynyk Jerebko Mickey Bentil 15: tbd Sully or Zeller if either comes back on that option. Yabusele probably goes back to France. Jackson maybe makes roster if he shows enough in summer league since we don't have a true PG. I'll be fine with any free agent as long as it's a one year commitment. |
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 5, 2016 6:45:55 GMT -5
Celtics fans of all people can't complain about "superteams." Not only have we had our fair share over the years, but we wanted to sign KD for exactly that reason. KD, Horford, Thomas, and maybe a trade for Butler or Hayward is what everyone was hoping for...it's no different. Neither of those are valid comparisons to what Durant did. Not even close. Why? Because our superteam wouldn't be as good as GSW's? It is exactly the same except he went to an already good team that had it's cap under control whereas we would have needed to sign and trade multiple people in one offseason to create the team from scratch (like we did with Pierce, KG, and Allen). Let's not forget that while not as good as GSW, the Celts were a 3rd place team last season with 48 wins. It's not like he was choosing between rescuing the Sixers fro sucking or jumping on with one of the best teams. He met with six good teams. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2016 7:15:04 GMT -5
Hunter is a shooter that hasn't shot well for two years now, even in the D League. He also can't play any defense. I know we're thin on wings, but Jackson may already be a better player. He can definitely handle the role Rozier played last year.
I hope to see Bentil make the roster. His motor looked better than advertised and he can spread the floor. He reminds me of Bass.
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2016 7:18:30 GMT -5
Rumor on a Kentucky blog site said Cousins to Boston via trade,y'all heard anything like that up there? Just wondering? Haven't heard anything but speculation. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 5, 2016 7:32:24 GMT -5
What Durant did is unprecedented. Not sure why this is even a debate.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 5, 2016 7:36:22 GMT -5
Hunter is a shooter that hasn't shot well for two years now, even in the D League. He also can't play any defense. I know we're thin on wings, but Jackson may already be a better player. He can definitely handle the role Rozier played last year. I hope to see Bentil make the roster. His motor looked better than advertised and he can spread the floor. He reminds me of Bass. The stats from yesterday's game Hunter 5-12, 3-6 from 3 point land, 4-5 ft, for 17 points in 25 mins. He can shoot, all reports from last year said same thing. You seem to forget his last year in college teams would double and triple cover him because his team lacked talent. That forced him to jack up bad shots. As for last year he came from small College, just needs to adjust to NBA game. Would be shocked if Bentil didn't make team. You cut Young if you have to, or trade him. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2016 8:05:08 GMT -5
Hunter is a shooter that hasn't shot well for two years now, even in the D League. He also can't play any defense. I know we're thin on wings, but Jackson may already be a better player. He can definitely handle the role Rozier played last year. I hope to see Bentil make the roster. His motor looked better than advertised and he can spread the floor. He reminds me of Bass. The stats from yesterday's game Hunter 5-12, 3-6 from 3 point land, 4-5 ft, for 17 points in 25 mins. He can shoot, all reports from last year said same thing. You seem to forget his last year in college teams would double and triple cover him because his team lacked talent. That forced him to jack up bad shots. As for last year he came from small College, just needs to adjust to NBA game. Would be shocked if Bentil didn't make team. You cut Young if you have to, or trade him. 29.6% on 6.8 3PA in the D League. He really hasn't inspired much more confidence in him than Young, though I don't see either being major factors ever. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 5, 2016 8:21:11 GMT -5
Shooting is all about confidence and comfort... Young tore up the D league shooting bc he was comfortable. I don't know if he will ever get the playing time in Boston to get comfortable but when he was drafted he was the youngest player in the draft. He would have been one of the younger players in last years draft too. We knew he was a project that would take 2-4 years to develop. Young is too good a shooter to not keep him around another year. If he sucked in the D league too then I would feel differently.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 5, 2016 8:32:10 GMT -5
Rozier has me excited. He had me excited coming out of last year and the reports combined with how he played last night and how he handled post game interviews really has me feeling good about him. The kid is going to be good. Honestly, he will be a staple in the rotation next year and people around the league will talk about how he's come from no where.
His development will be key to this team too because he makes Smart of Bradley expendable.
If Rozier can fill Bradley's role, then a year from now I'd trade Avery. I wouldn't want to give him a second contract if we can replace him in house cheaper and younger. I'm not a big fan of his body type but more importantly, I'd want to use him as an asset to get a better piece.
Fast forward a year. If Rozier develops the way I think he will. Then u add a top pick from the Nets, can sign a max free agent AND trade Bradley and maybe the Nets 2018 pick for another piece. This team is one year and a couple moves away from something special and sustainable.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 5, 2016 8:35:16 GMT -5
The stats from yesterday's game Hunter 5-12, 3-6 from 3 point land, 4-5 ft, for 17 points in 25 mins. He can shoot, all reports from last year said same thing. You seem to forget his last year in college teams would double and triple cover him because his team lacked talent. That forced him to jack up bad shots. As for last year he came from small College, just needs to adjust to NBA game. Would be shocked if Bentil didn't make team. You cut Young if you have to, or trade him. 29.6% on 6.8 3PA in the D League. He really hasn't inspired much more confidence in him than Young, though I don't see either being major factors ever. Haha yea in 8 games, 5 that he started. That small sample size proves nothing. The fact that in playoffs Stevens went with Hunter over Young tells me a lot more. Hunter has already earned Stevens trust. Stevens has also said that Hunters shooting is something the Celtics could really use. |
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 5, 2016 8:37:44 GMT -5
I just realized that this likely means Westbrook is trade available. Ainge still has a shot to mess with the Thunder and I'd rather have Westbrook than Durant anyway. I appreciate your opinion, but you're on an island there. Good for KD, very smart decision going to the best situation for him. That team will make for incredible tv. I don't fault him at all for choosing where he wants to work. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 5, 2016 9:04:27 GMT -5
Worst thing Ainge can do is trade assets for another player right now especially a free agent to be. They will be very good and exciting as is. Best route to sustained excellence is playing out the season and hoping the Nets suck
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2016 9:07:06 GMT -5
I just realized that this likely means Westbrook is trade available. Ainge still has a shot to mess with the Thunder and I'd rather have Westbrook than Durant anyway. I appreciate your opinion, but you're on an island there. Good for KD, very smart decision going to the best situation for him. That team will make for incredible tv. I don't fault him at all for choosing where he wants to work. Agreed. Westbrook plays out of control and loves to take the last shot despite being a bad shooter. Durant is much more efficient. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 5, 2016 9:08:51 GMT -5
Worst thing Ainge can do is trade assets for another player right now especially a free agent to be. They will be very good and exciting as is. Best route to sustained excellence is playing out the season and hoping the Nets suck I agree completely. Now if they can get a guy that is signed for a few years at reasonable money without trading all their assets, then fine. But don't make a deal just for the sake of making a deal. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2016 9:15:03 GMT -5
29.6% on 6.8 3PA in the D League. He really hasn't inspired much more confidence in him than Young, though I don't see either being major factors ever. Haha yea in 8 games, 5 that he started. That small sample size proves nothing. The fact that in playoffs Stevens went with Hunter over Young tells me a lot more. Hunter has already earned Stevens trust. Stevens has also said that Hunters shooting is something the Celtics could really use. Well it shouldn't tell you much that Stevens played Hunter over one of the worst players to ever wear a Celtics jersey, but agreed that the sample size was pretty small. Hunter was drafted because he was a shooter primarily, so what else is Stevens going to say about him? He has logged minutes, but I don't know how he's earned "trust" when he hasn't produced at all yet. The choice between him and Young is basically choosing between (currently) bad or (currently) horrible. I like Hunter's stroke, and his length, but he's got to learn to play better D and start actually converting his looks or he will have a short NBA career. Young is just bad. He's an average athlete who does everything linearly. His straight line layup attempts are just sad. He gets blocked more than anyone I've seen in a while. And while he has a good 3 point stroke, it's not all that quick to compensate for his lack of fluidity. And his defensive awareness is inexistant to the point where it'd be hard to keep him on the floor even if his offense was above average. The biggest thing on his side right now is youth. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 5, 2016 9:16:12 GMT -5
Rozier has me excited. He had me excited coming out of last year and the reports combined with how he played last night and how he handled post game interviews really has me feeling good about him. The kid is going to be good. Honestly, he will be a staple in the rotation next year and people around the league will talk about how he's come from no where. His development will be key to this team too because he makes Smart of Bradley expendable. If Rozier can fill Bradley's role, then a year from now I'd trade Avery. I wouldn't want to give him a second contract if we can replace him in house cheaper and younger. I'm not a big fan of his body type but more importantly, I'd want to use him as an asset to get a better piece. Fast forward a year. If Rozier develops the way I think he will. Then u add a top pick from the Nets, can sign a max free agent AND trade Bradley and maybe the Nets 2018 pick for another piece. This team is one year and a couple moves away from something special and sustainable. Agree completely. Rozier looked great yesterday. Also agree on a trade, they have taken a step forward every year without giving up a lot in the way of assets or cap room. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 5, 2016 9:16:23 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown got to the line 17 times in his first summer league game today. And hit 65% of his FTs while shooting 2/7 from the field. This is basically what we knew about him. He's an athletic guy who can penetrate and get to the line but can't shoot. If Jaylen Brown never shoots the ball better than Russell Westbrook but becomes a top ten player in the league, will you be the person saying "told you he can't shoot." Ugh. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2016 9:21:24 GMT -5
Worst thing Ainge can do is trade assets for another player right now especially a free agent to be. They will be very good and exciting as is. Best route to sustained excellence is playing out the season and hoping the Nets suck I agree completely. Now if they can get a guy that is signed for a few years at reasonable money without trading all their assets, then fine. But don't make a deal just for the sake of making a deal. Agreed. Next year's draft is deeper, too. There are 4 players (Giles, Jackson, Fultz, Tatum) who look like tier 1 picks versus only two this year. The Nets are making smart moves, but more geared towards the future than the present. Losing Thad Young + Jack and gaining Lin is close to a wash, Brook Lopez remains an injury risk, and even if Crabbe ends up in BK, he's more of an investment than an instant return. That pick, at least for 2017, should be very valuable. |
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