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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 6, 2016 19:11:20 GMT -5
Why? Because our superteam wouldn't be as good as GSW's? It is exactly the same except he went to an already good team that had it's cap under control whereas we would have needed to sign and trade multiple people in one offseason to create the team from scratch (like we did with Pierce, KG, and Allen). Let's not forget that while not as good as GSW, the Celts were a 3rd place team last season with 48 wins. It's not like he was choosing between rescuing the Sixers fro sucking or jumping on with one of the best teams. He met with six good teams. It's not "exactly the same" and it's frankly ridiculous that you think it is. Those Celtic "superteams" you're referring to were built thru the draft and trades, not great players deciding to get together and cakewalk to titles. And there hasn't been a Celtic team (at least in about a half century) that was so good they threatened to render the entire season a formality. Even if they were, I don't fault any GM for making their team as great as they can- that's their job. But I do blame supposed great players who try to take shortcuts to titles at the expense of the league's competitive balance. Why should it be of any concern what so ever for a player regarding competitive balance. That's up to the league, they failed. |
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 6, 2016 21:31:55 GMT -5
Dwayne Wade headed home to Chicago. Would have to imagine that means Butler is going nowhere. That's going to be an interesting mix, Wade, Butler and Rondo.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 7, 2016 0:00:14 GMT -5
Dwayne Wade headed home to Chicago. Would have to imagine that means Butler is going nowhere. That's going to be an interesting mix, Wade, Butler and Rondo. I think by "interesting mix" you mean "worst floor spacing ever". That team is just going to brick everything from anywhere but the paint. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2016 1:50:40 GMT -5
Bad floor spacing and 3 ball dominant players. But good for Wade, good for city of Chicago and good for Bulls. At least they gave their fans reason to watch team and get excited.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 7, 2016 6:18:36 GMT -5
Rondo, Wade and Butler, seems like a coaching nightmare.
I wonder if the Heat now extend Crabbe an offer sheet.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 7, 2016 7:00:45 GMT -5
A lot of these moves have paved the way for the Celtics to finish as high as 2. Miami, Atlanta, and Charlotte have all seen talent walk out to door, and Toronto is, well, Toronto.
At the same time, the potential trade targets for the Celts are dwindling as well, as you have to think the Bulls are hanging onto Butler now. The only semi-realistic options left are Okafor (checkered resume), Cousins (also checkered resume), and Paul George (probably a pipe dream).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 7, 2016 7:36:21 GMT -5
I think its best to wait until next offseason to potentially trade either one of the next Brooklyn picks. I think its all lining up so next offseason is the last step of the rebuild.
The Bulls thing could potentially blow up especially if Wade hurts himself or something.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2016 7:38:26 GMT -5
Good, I'm not ready for them to make a trade. I like a Butler and all but he doesn't bring shooting to the table which is the teams biggest need so I never understood why we'd trade for his name by giving up Crowder and top picks. Only way it would make sense to me is if it guaranteed Durant.
I keep signing the same song but I like the roster as is. It should be the 2 or 3 seed in the East and win a round or two. Attract another free agent next year, see who they draft then evaluate what trade if any needs to be made to round out the roster.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2016 7:43:29 GMT -5
A lot of dumb teams out there. The teams that have made me ask "what the F are they doing?" are:
Orlando - just a weird weird collection of players.
Knicks - they don't realize it's not 2011. They also traded or dumbed all of their young prospects to add over rated veterans with big names.
Bulls - it's already been said
Lakers - my god what are they doing?
Portland - love Turner but what w bloated contract and a bad fit for them. If they lose Crabbe on top of it then it's doubly bad. That team really needed to capitalize on its cap room or keep it for next year not destroy it - they signed themselves up for mediocrity.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2016 7:46:07 GMT -5
Jalen Brown note.... So before he was drafted I asked if it's fair to question if his off court goals and interests would affect his basketball drive. I still don't know if it's fair to ask that question of any one but what seems clear is the guy is motivated and driven and aggressive. Of course I don't know much about his off court stuff but he plays on the court with a lot of aggression and drive. I really like that. It's good not having to worry about him being soft out there.
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Post by sgfeer on Jul 7, 2016 7:49:37 GMT -5
Dwayne Wade headed home to Chicago. Would have to imagine that means Butler is going nowhere. That's going to be an interesting mix, Wade, Butler and Rondo. I think by "interesting mix" you mean "worst floor spacing ever". That team is just going to brick everything from anywhere but the paint. So much for the Bulls tearing it down, seems like they wanted too, then said never mind |
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 7, 2016 7:57:21 GMT -5
The good news of Wade joining Chicago is Miami will likely match the Nets' offer sheet given to Tyler Johnson -- which makes the Nets worse.
Anyone confirm if the Nets offer sheet to Crabbe was indeed accepted by him? I heard it wasn't true, but wanted to verify.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2016 11:27:35 GMT -5
Crabbe has not signed an offer sheet, those were false rumors.
How good is Tyler Johnson? I only ask because after the first 2 days of free agency the crazy deals have dried up and a bunch of good Vets are signing on the cheap now. It might be a bad thing for us if Miami matches and gives Nets a bunch more cap space.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2016 12:42:16 GMT -5
I want Tyler Johnson to sign with the Nets - maybe I'm crazy but I don't think he's that good
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 7, 2016 13:21:04 GMT -5
I like him a tiny bit better than Clarkson.
Will be very interesting to see what the young LAL players do with an actual coach.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 7, 2016 13:49:17 GMT -5
I think George is in the same category as Butler. I know you said "pipe dream" so I'm probably just picking but I'd think the additions of Teague and Thad Young would suggest that they are trying to put things in place around George (much like, though I'd argue MUCH better than, Chicago is trying to put things in place around Butler).
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Post by tizzle on Jul 7, 2016 17:12:48 GMT -5
They could also trade the picks. I named Hayward partially because I believe he would come here. Im not sure endorsement babies like Westbrook and Griffin would. Maybe Millsap or Lowry although idk much about either. I hope we don't trade the picks. But anyway, that's why I say it depends. Hayward could end up fitting or not. As for Westbrook, Griffin, et al., if the Warriors become as good as they think they'll be, it might help us. Guys might need to find their own superteam to have any shot a title and we could potentially be one of the best options. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2016 18:21:59 GMT -5
The goal right now should be to build a longer term sustainable contender, you cannot do that without stars and young players. The draft picks could be a route to both of those things.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 7, 2016 19:29:21 GMT -5
Blakely confirming that Johnson and Jerebko will not be waived (guaranteeing the contracts for the season). Also said that Ainge confirmed Zizic will be overseas this season. Nothing on Yabusele.
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Post by honestlyabe on Jul 8, 2016 2:04:11 GMT -5
My realistic trade candidate is Nikola Vucevic from Orlando. He's crazy underrated, including by his own coach, who wants to go with the defensive combo of Ibaka/Biyombo. It would be tough, but I would dangle Bradley, Zizic, and future (non-BKN) picks.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 6:20:53 GMT -5
Danny indicated that he's still looking for shooting, a stronger C and maybe a ball handler.
While Vucevic would be a nice option for #2, including Bradley would make #1 even worse.
So it'd be "robbing Peter to pay Paul . . . And Peter is already short on cash"
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 8, 2016 6:26:39 GMT -5
4 years/$75M for Crabbe
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 8, 2016 7:18:42 GMT -5
Mixed emotions on this one. I like Crabbe so I don't want the Nets to get him but that's a lot of money on a risk so part of me hopes they get both him and Johnson. Tying up that much money on gambles could backfire completely. That being said, how does Portland not match that? Unless they are tax adverse... They are against the cap so adding Crabbe gives them a tradable contract at the very least. I'm guessing they don't match but I don't know why they wouldn't. As for the Nets, if they do sign him, where does he play and who does he bump from the rotation? Seems to me they suddenly have a lot of bodies for the back court and wing but not much down low. Lopez always gets hurt so that could be a big issue. Of course, I need to re-familiarize myself with the squad after all these moves. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 7:39:48 GMT -5
Ezeli just signed 2 year 15.2 million deal with Portland. That's why they won't match Crabbe deal, it's just a wild overpay even in this market. Can reach 4 years and 83 million. That's only a few million a year away from max, crazy. Also has opt out after 3rd year, which is so funny. I have to think they plan on playing Crabbe at SF, only way it makes sense.
Looking at Johnson and Crabbe, Johnson looks to be the better more complete player. Yet he got a lot less, just shocking. I was dead wrong on this one!
Now these deals can kill Nets cap in year 3-4, problem is they should help them for the next two years, which is all we care about!
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 8, 2016 7:43:43 GMT -5
I think George is in the same category as Butler. I know you said "pipe dream" so I'm probably just picking but I'd think the additions of Teague and Thad Young would suggest that they are trying to put things in place around George (much like, though I'd argue MUCH better than, Chicago is trying to put things in place around Butler). I would much rather have Paul George than Jimmy Butler -- he's likely more difficult to pry away too. It's shocking to me that George is younger too. |
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