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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 8:02:31 GMT -5
Yea I would also much rather have George over Butler. Thing is I don't see Pacers trading George unless he'll leave for nothing. So they aren't trading him for years. Butler could be had this year at deadline if Bulls are a mess. I see George as top 10 talent and Butler as top 20 talent.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 8:27:13 GMT -5
Danny indicated that he's still looking for shooting, a stronger C and maybe a ball handler. While Vucevic would be a nice option for #2, including Bradley would make #1 even worse. So it'd be "robbing Peter to pay Paul . . . And Peter is already short on cash" Seen rumors that Danny likes Lance Stephenson and he really improved his 3 point shot last year. Could be a good one year gamble, but he is a locker room risk. He would also take minutes from Brown. Improving shooting is going to be very hard. Best chance is to have Crowder and Brown take a 1,000 3s a day and hope they improve. Getting Horford improved our shooting at C spot, which is hardest position to improve shooting, so I'm happy. Also would love to see Mickey given a chance this year. He is exactly what team needs, he brings rebounding and shot blocking. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 9:05:19 GMT -5
Portland's cap situation is also a reflection of holds for Harkless, Leonard and Kaman.
With the addition of Ezeli (and Plumlee, Davis and, to a lesser extent, Vonleh) they have 4 bigs in their rotation. So the question is whether they need Crabbe more than those guys (specifically, Leonard and Kaman).
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 8, 2016 9:37:49 GMT -5
So, it's looking like Rozier will be a player in this league, eh?
Not too surprising considering how much trust Stevens had in him at times last year, but it's cool to see.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 10:03:31 GMT -5
Rozier has skills and will be a player in this league. Just needs to play under control and keep improving his 3 point shot. I love how he can create his own offense.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 8, 2016 10:19:04 GMT -5
Rozier's dribbling ability is still really loose. Smart and him could lead a nice 2nd unit though.
I'd have Rozier be more of a secondary ball handler at this stage and allow Marcus to take the lead role.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2016 10:50:53 GMT -5
Rozier has the quickness, creativity with his handle, and fearlessness to get to the rim in a way that Smart can't replicate at this point in his career. I've been very impressed with his performance in summer league, especially his ability to drive, draw help, and find shooters. Rozier's three-point shot looks good at times, but is still pretty inconsistent. If he can tighten that up, he has a chance to be really good.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 8, 2016 13:36:00 GMT -5
Dwayne Wade headed home to Chicago. Would have to imagine that means Butler is going nowhere. That's going to be an interesting mix, Wade, Butler and Rondo. I think by "interesting mix" you mean "worst floor spacing ever". That team is just going to brick everything from anywhere but the paint. It was meant with a wry smile for sure. Train wreck comes to mind also. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 14:34:03 GMT -5
Interesting quote by Wyc at the Al Horford presser:
"We were just talking about a trade earlier today where the asking price for a difficult player, and I'm not going to say who, but it's dropped significantly since draft night"
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 14:38:54 GMT -5
Interesting quote by Wyc at the Al Horford presser: "We were just talking about a trade earlier today where the asking price for a difficult player, and I'm not going to say who, but it's dropped significantly since draft night" Interesting. First thing that comes to mind is Philly and Noel. Cost might be Rozier and a future first like the Clippers pick. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 8, 2016 14:40:04 GMT -5
That sounds like either Cousins or Okafor.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 14:52:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I first thought Okafor or Cousins (assuming he meant difficult as we all think it to mean).
Noel would only apply if he meant more along the lines of "difficult to agree upon" or something of that nature.
I do wonder if Danny wishes he would keep his mouth shut.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 14:57:16 GMT -5
That sounds like either Cousins or Okafor. Maybe Okafor, I don't see how the price on Cousins has dropped drastically since draft night. All the rumors about Philly and us on draft night were about Noel. The others were about Butler and I don't see how his price has gone down. Bulls seem to be trying to win, not tank. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 14:59:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I first thought Okafor or Cousins (assuming he meant difficult as we all think it to mean). Noel would only apply if he meant more along the lines of "difficult to agree upon" or something of that nature. I do wonder if Danny wishes he would keep his mouth shut. See I took it as a difficult player to get or make a trade for. Can't see the owner calling a player difficult that they are trying to trade for. |
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 8, 2016 15:08:34 GMT -5
Horford is a center, why would we want to trade for another center?
Cousins is brilliant. No idea why Boston would want Okafor.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 15:09:48 GMT -5
A couple of comments on that (though I don't really intend them as retorts - it's always dangerous to connect too many dots):
1. The other day, Danny said that often big trades "come out of nowhere" and has often said that much of what you hear is not accurate at all. So just because we didn't hear much about Cousins, doesn't mean that it wasn't being discussed behind closed doors.
2. Unless Wyc wasn't talking about the player being difficult (I actually hope that it's the case bc, what if we get said player and our owner just called him difficult), Noel wouldn't seem to be the guy (regardless of any rumors about Danny's talks with Philly).
3. I'm not saying that Papagiannis is a replacement for Cousins, but going "off the board" to draft a C that you insist won't be stashed, when you have other needs (and have Koufos on your roster as well) seemed strange. Further, the additions that the Kings have made (a bunch of draft picks along with Afflalo, Barnes and Temple) might not be inspiring Cousins. It's a stretch, but it's possible Cousins is expressing his displeasure internally and Sacramento, more than ever, realizes it's time to go.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 15:11:44 GMT -5
Horford is a center, why would we want to trade for another center? Cousins is brilliant. No idea why Boston would want Okafor. Horford played C bc of other players (Josh Smith and Paul Millsap lined up next to him, he was the 5 by default). He's long preferred to be a PF. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 15:13:10 GMT -5
Under normal circumstances, UMass, I'd agree about the owner. But I can't help but feel he's been getting a little mouthy:
1. "Fireworks"
2. Trade offers were insulting and we weren't close (Danny had to backtrack on that one).
I no longer put it past him.
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Post by cto94 on Jul 8, 2016 15:16:34 GMT -5
Yea I really still don't see how Okafor fits. I guess better now that we've added Horford, but I'd still rather have Nerlens. I just don't like Okafor at all though- seems like a character risk who doesn't have a clear fit in today's NBA and has limited upside because he's a subpar athlete and hasn't worked to compensate for that defensively.
Cousins would be fascinating to watch on this roster- if he actually tries on defense, we'd have a bizarre pairing in the frontcourt with him and Horford both being very good post players with range on their jumpers and being quick and long enough to provide good rim protection. Still don't see it happening though, although in the wake of Sacramento's bizarre draft night (2 more 1st round big men after Cauley-Stein last year with Boogie still there?) it seems like they're probably gearing up to deal him- that contract is running out soon, and this is their last chance to extract max value from him with 2 years left on a contract that looks incredibly cheap for a talent like him in the current market. Everyone's been quiet on that though, so I guess it's not happening? Still, they have to know he's out the door in 2 years given how dysfunctional they've been around him
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 15:16:42 GMT -5
Horford is a center, why would we want to trade for another center? Cousins is brilliant. No idea why Boston would want Okafor. Noel would be the perfect back up center for this team. Would add rebounding and rim protection that we currently don't have. You could also shift Horford to PF and play Noel along side him if you wanted. I wouldn't want to give up Rozier, but a James Young and future first round pick sounds fair. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 15:52:08 GMT -5
Everyone mocks the Kings draft because they didn't follow draft boards and they really don't need a Center. If they felt he was best player available it makes sense. Rumors were they were going to take him at 8, but traded down and also got Skal. I wouldn't be shocked to see Papagiannis have a better career than Chriss.
Maybe they went Center because they were thinking about trading Cousins. Maybe Cousins is the player Wyc is talking about, god I hope so. The part that makes no sense is that the asking price has dropped significantly. If anything these crazy deals have made his value increase.
Noel on the other hand, has seen a decrease in value. In the past very few restricted free agents left their current team or got crazy offers. This year we are seeing players like Crabbe get up to 83 million over 4 years. Any team trading for him now knows that you get one year at a great rate and than most likely have to pay a huge amount to retain him next year. Almost no chance he plays under QO. So if your Philly you might now want to take best offer and get something for him. Rather than lose him for nothing in a year.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 15:57:38 GMT -5
I like Noels on court fit better but, another thing to keep in mind is his RFA status next year. His hold is close to 11 million which will greatly inhibit our ability to add another Free Agent next year. Unless someone else on our roster is turning into an All Star caliber player (fwiw Nate Silvers Carmelo Projections thinks Smart will be just that), neither Noel or Okafor makes us a contender.
As said above, Horford can space the floor and protect the Rim. That might allow Boston to be okay with an "old school" big.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 8, 2016 16:01:44 GMT -5
Agreed on Papa but those same comments (about their draft board) could apply to Boston and Yabusele. Saw many mocks and had many rumors of them being interested at 23, 31 or 35. Add the impetus to ensure that they got him with a 1st rounder (and potentially stashing him) and 16 makes perfect sense.
That's off topic though.
In the end, I think it IS Okafor.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 16:23:06 GMT -5
If Danny thought Yabusele was best player available I love the pick. I just have a feeling he took best international player available to maintain payroll and roster flexibility. Which I think could be a huge mistake. History tells us always take best player available in NBA draft, always.
Ok lets assume its Okafor. Pre draft the rumors were it would take #3 pick. What does it take now?
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Post by cto94 on Jul 8, 2016 16:26:55 GMT -5
If Danny thought Yabusele was best player available I love the pick. I just have a feeling he took best international player available to maintain payroll and roster flexibility. Which I think could be a huge mistake. History tells us always take best player available in NBA draft, always. Ok lets assume its Okafor. Pre draft the rumors were it would take #3 pick. What does it take now? Might be rozier- even with Bayless and Simmons on board, they need backcourt help. Alternately Bradley and maybe that Clippers pick could get it done. I really don't like any deal for Okafor though- don't care about the draft pedigree, he seems like an offcourt disaster and I'm not sold on the idea that he'll ever be even an average defender. That being the case, I don't see a logic in acquiring him- I think we need more shooting on the floor, not a dude who's going to make his money from the elbows in |
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