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Post by tjb21 on Jul 13, 2016 13:46:31 GMT -5
Boston always seemed like the most logical destination. If he's traded for, Boston will essentially have a guarantee to re-sign him next year. Love his game, uber frustrating at times but he's KG type intense.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 13, 2016 14:33:01 GMT -5
What is the guarantee he re-signs?
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Post by texs31 on Jul 13, 2016 14:38:11 GMT -5
I think he's saying Boston wouldn't make the move UNLESS RW guarantees that he'll re-up.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 13, 2016 15:52:16 GMT -5
He's got a career 21.6 PER in the playoffs, averaging 21 pts/9 rbs/4 asts per game on 50% shooting. Whatever's wrong with the Clippers in the playoffs, it sure doesn't look like Blake Griffin is the cause. Take a look at his numbers sans 2014-2015... He had two great series that year that skew his other numbers. basketball.realgm.com/player/Blake-Griffin/Summary/1596Small sample sizes sure but that's all we got. So you're excluding the playoffs he played the most in, for no other reason than it was his best year? But you're not discounting the two seasons when he played hurt in the playoffs? That seems fair. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2016 15:55:38 GMT -5
We've moved on
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 13, 2016 18:48:16 GMT -5
If, even after cherry-picking away his best season, the biggest indictment of a guy is that he's 19/7, 48% from the field in a limited sample in the playoffs, he's a really good player. The delta was marginal at best. |
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 13, 2016 21:22:39 GMT -5
The Brozier Show continues...
Brown looked much better shooting the ball tonight, he has looked considerably better in each game. Finished tonight with 25pts 9reb 8-16FG 8-11FT
Rozier went for 24pts 7-10FG 9-9FT
Clearly it's only Summer League but Brown is gaining at least one fan with his steady progression. His rebounding is also better than I thought.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 13, 2016 21:29:57 GMT -5
Thon Maker looks good. Like real good.
Maybe this will help me temper my enthusiasm on Summer League performance.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 13, 2016 23:19:08 GMT -5
Boston always seemed like the most logical destination. If he's traded for, Boston will essentially have a guarantee to re-sign him next year. Love his game, uber frustrating at times but he's KG type intense. I'd trade every Brooklyn pick ever, the rights to Billy King's soul, Brown, Thomas, my first born, Amelia Vega, Michael Kopech, Dan Shaughnessy and my Rondo jersey for Westbrook. That's how rationally I'm viewing this. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2016 7:31:54 GMT -5
I likely wouldn't trade next years Brooklyn pick for anyone I've heard as a possible target yet, including Westbrook. Giving up a top 5 pick possibly number 1 in a draft with a lot of too talent for a rental is not the way to build something long term special. Having a top 5 player isn't much good when the cupboard isn't full around him.
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Post by jmei on Jul 14, 2016 7:54:08 GMT -5
They wouldn't trade a Brooklyn pick for him unless they had a fairly good sense that he's willing to re-sign on the five-year-max. And to get stars, it helps to already have stars in place. If you can can get Westbrook without hurting the rest of the team too much (say, Smart, the 2018 Nets pick and salary filler), you've both made yourself one of the five favorites to win the title this year while retaining a good portion of your future assets (max cap space, Nets pick swap, Brown, etc).
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2016 8:14:44 GMT -5
If you can get Westbrook for the 2018 Nets pick and smart and salary filler then that's a different story for sure.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 14, 2016 10:21:31 GMT -5
Sporting News' Sean Deveney reporting the Blake Griffin rumors now, and says it could be done today.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2016 11:19:04 GMT -5
Are you just trying to ruin my day? Hahaha
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Post by jmei on Jul 14, 2016 11:25:39 GMT -5
Westbrook-Bradley-Crowder-Griffin-Horford would be pretty sweet. Chances are they'd give up Crowder in any Griffin deal, though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2016 13:04:51 GMT -5
Do we think they would trade the 2017 nets pick for Griffin? They can't right? Look at that Nets team... Look at the potential draft....
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Post by cto94 on Jul 14, 2016 13:11:09 GMT -5
I'm not saying he's coming to Boston, but you claimed he has basically said he's going to LA no matter what. That's not true as far as I can tell, and furthermore, since the Durant decision, everything I've seen has indicated that the Thunder think he's more likely to stay in OKC than Durant was. And we were just at least in consideration for the most sought after free agent since Lebron left Cleveland, I think the idea that guys just don't want to play here is seriously overblown at this stage. We signed arguably the 2nd best free agent on the market this summer and were in serious consideration for the top one, who didn't even take a meeting with the Lakers. This is not super relevant right now, but it's kinda ridiculous to be going back to "no free agents want to come to Boston" after the past couple weeks. Build a good organization, and people will come or at least be interested, because it's actually a pretty big media market and some of these dudes actually care about the history. Also if he's spent the first 8 years of his career in OKC, then Boston should feel like New York, Paris and London all rolled into one It honestly doesn't sound like you read my post. There are obvious reasons Horford came to Boston and why an endorsement baby like Westbrook who is into the hipster/fashion scene would go to LA. I do think Hayward is a lot more likely. I did, there's just very little basis for calling Westbrook and endorsement baby in my view. He doesn't even have many endorsements, he keeps a very low profile off the court apart from the bizarre outfits, and he is, as we all know, insanely competitive. I've lived in Boston for most of my life at this stage and I'm not aware of any particularly large Dominican community- if that's what Horford cared about, he'd likely have gone to New York. He came to Boston cause he wanted to get paid, contend, and maybe play for Brad Stevens. Those could easily also apply to Westbrook, and are probably more likely to than "I wanna go to LA where the designers are." If he cares that much about fashion, he'd go to New York anyway. Either way, this is a pointless argument- you're leaping to pretty significant conclusions about a dude's personality that are supported, as far as I can tell, entirely by the way he dresses. Having watched him play and heard him interviewed a few times, I have a different impression. We can leave it at that |
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 14, 2016 13:45:12 GMT -5
Do we think they would trade the 2017 nets pick for Griffin? They can't right? Look at that Nets team... Look at the potential draft.... What are the chances one of the players in the 2017 draft becomes as good as Blake? It's not very high. The best part about that pick would be a potential really good/young/cost controlled player for the next X number of years (don't know how long they'll be under control since the CBA is up). Which would allow the Celtics to sign a star FA. But superstars don't come and play with young talent, they want other star/established players on the roster already. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 14, 2016 13:51:57 GMT -5
It honestly doesn't sound like you read my post. There are obvious reasons Horford came to Boston and why an endorsement baby like Westbrook who is into the hipster/fashion scene would go to LA. I do think Hayward is a lot more likely. I did, there's just very little basis for calling Westbrook and endorsement baby in my view. He doesn't even have many endorsements, he keeps a very low profile off the court apart from the bizarre outfits, and he is, as we all know, insanely competitive. I've lived in Boston for most of my life at this stage and I'm not aware of any particularly large Dominican community- if that's what Horford cared about, he'd likely have gone to New York. He came to Boston cause he wanted to get paid, contend, and maybe play for Brad Stevens. Those could easily also apply to Westbrook, and are probably more likely to than "I wanna go to LA where the designers are." If he cares that much about fashion, he'd go to New York anyway. Either way, this is a pointless argument- you're leaping to pretty significant conclusions about a dude's personality that are supported, as far as I can tell, entirely by the way he dresses. Having watched him play and heard him interviewed a few times, I have a different impression. We can leave it at that I said it was one probable consideration not the main reason. The Knicks and Nets are both awful. Its pretty straightforward. Dominicans are the biggest single group of immigrants in Boston and also the state as well, there has been a big wave the last fifteen years. I hope I'm wrong but everything I've read has him booked for LA and I'd be shocked if he went anywhere else, barring a trade. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2016 16:28:28 GMT -5
Do we think they would trade the 2017 nets pick for Griffin? They can't right? Look at that Nets team... Look at the potential draft.... What are the chances one of the players in the 2017 draft becomes as good as Blake? It's not very high. The best part about that pick would be a potential really good/young/cost controlled player for the next X number of years (don't know how long they'll be under control since the CBA is up). Which would allow the Celtics to sign a star FA. But superstars don't come and play with young talent, they want other star/established players on the roster already. That pick is a non starter for me |
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Post by tizzle on Jul 14, 2016 16:59:48 GMT -5
Do we think they would trade the 2017 nets pick for Griffin? They can't right? Look at that Nets team... Look at the potential draft.... I would really hope not. One report I heard said the hangup was that the Celtics don't want to give up the Nets 17 and 18 picks. The way it was worded, I didn't know whether I should be hearing that as "and" or "or". |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2016 19:19:59 GMT -5
Too bad Dombrowski doesn't have Danny's patience.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2016 17:57:35 GMT -5
See I look at it differently. What if Danny overpaid for a Butler or Griffin, that might have gotten us Durant. From Durant's point of view the negative backlash would have been a lot less going to Celtics over Warriors.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2016 18:42:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure if that was the case Durant is smart enough to know Danny could have traded for anyone Durant wanted... Don't u think? I mean if the Celtics needed to have Butler he'd be in Celtics green. 2017 and 18 Nets plus Crowder and Brown easily get u Butler or anyone else
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2016 22:04:26 GMT -5
It's just not the same. It's like a buyer looking at a unfinished home and being told what's going to be done. It's not the same as looking at finished house. For example if you got let's same Griffin, he can help you recruit Durrant.
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