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Post by ericmvan on Jun 3, 2016 23:27:07 GMT -5
On a nicer note, Ortiz now leads MLB in SA by over .100. He's at .743 and Daniel Murphy is at .624.
If you exclude 1994 to 2004, the last guy to slug over .650* was George Brett, .664 in 1980. That was the best mark since Mantle's .687 in '61, which was the best mark since Ted's .731 in 1957.
*It was done 30 times, by 17 different guys, in those 11 years. Has anyone ever suggested an explanation for this anomaly?
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 4, 2016 7:33:48 GMT -5
On a nicer note, Ortiz now leads MLB in SA by over .100. He's at .743 and Daniel Murphy is at .624. If you exclude 1994 to 2004, the last guy to slug over .650* was George Brett, .664 in 1980. That was the best mark since Mantle's .687 in '61, which was the best mark since Ted's .731 in 1957. *It was done 30 times, by 17 different guys, in those 11 years. Has anyone ever suggested an explanation for this anomaly?Peds
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 4, 2016 10:02:23 GMT -5
I have a strange sense of humor. That's funny.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 4, 2016 10:04:57 GMT -5
*It was done 30 times, by 17 different guys, in those 11 years. Has anyone ever suggested an explanation for this anomaly?PEDs are of course what you're alluding to, but more and more I'm thinking about those years as the peak-TINSTAAP era. Or pre-pitch count era, if you prefer. That plus the expansion of the league meant that pitching was just garbage in those years.
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Post by jmei on Jun 4, 2016 10:08:08 GMT -5
*It was done 30 times, by 17 different guys, in those 11 years. Has anyone ever suggested an explanation for this anomaly?PEDs are of course what you're alluding to, but more and more I'm thinking about those years as the peak-TINSTAAP era. Or pre-pitch count era, if you prefer. That plus the expansion of the league meant that pitching was just garbage in those years. Yeah, this comes up in league-adjustment discussions at times. For instance, Pedro was elite relative to the league average at his peak. But the high league-average ERA was both a product of great hitting and poor pitching, and if it's more the latter than the former, maybe those studly league/era-adjusted Pedro stats are slightly misleading.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 4, 2016 10:12:26 GMT -5
It's probably too much to ask for Wright to bail us out with another CG, but... could you, Steven?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 4, 2016 11:25:02 GMT -5
PEDs are of course what you're alluding to, but more and more I'm thinking about those years as the peak-TINSTAAP era. Or pre-pitch count era, if you prefer. That plus the expansion of the league meant that pitching was just garbage in those years. Yeah, this comes up in league-adjustment discussions at times. For instance, Pedro was elite relative to the league average at his peak. But the high league-average ERA was both a product of great hitting and poor pitching, and if it's more the latter than the former, maybe those studly league/era-adjusted Pedro stats are slightly misleading. Peak-peak Pedro was just shy of a 300 ERA+. This year, Clayton Kershaw is leading baseball league in Ks and he's walked five guys, and his ERA+ is still nearly 50 points shy of that number. I'm not saying that Pedro wasn't better than Kershaw, but I'm not sure how it's possible that anyone, real or theoretical, could be THAT much better than what Kershaw is right now. What else could Kershaw even do? He's amazing at literally every aspect of pitching and he's still not particularly close to peak Pedro's adjusted numbers. I think the reason that he's not closer has as much to do with better pitching in today's game as anything.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 4, 2016 13:18:38 GMT -5
PEDs are of course what you're alluding to, but more and more I'm thinking about those years as the peak-TINSTAAP era. Or pre-pitch count era, if you prefer. That plus the expansion of the league meant that pitching was just garbage in those years. Yeah, this comes up in league-adjustment discussions at times. For instance, Pedro was elite relative to the league average at his peak. But the high league-average ERA was both a product of great hitting and poor pitching, and if it's more the latter than the former, maybe those studly league/era-adjusted Pedro stats are slightly misleading. 1) Almost everyone one of Pedro's prospect peers suffered an injury that at least hampered his career. It's actually kind of frightening to look at.* But this was had always been true (and since we're here, I'll invoke the name of Jerry Stephenson and Josias Manzanillo, let alone Juan Pena). And I think that the problem may have been fixed in time for it lose its explanatory power for the end of the era. The interesting thought is that the end of the PED era masked the improved pitching of the start of the prospect pitch-count era, and that much of the subsequent decline in offense is due to the latter rather than the former. 2) Teasing out the factors is an interesting challenge. Here's one way to do it: take the pitchers whose careers straddled the start or the end of the high-offense era, and look at the career trajectories of all of their stats, relative to league. As your control group, you have pitchers who didn't pitch in that era. If there was a dearth of pitching, the guys who pitched c. 1989-1999 would be unusually good during the second half of their careers, while the guys who pitched 1999-2009 would be unusually good during the first half. If there was no change in the pitching talent pool, their relative stats would show the same career arc as in other eras. It's a tricky study because of SSS, which also means that guys who got hurt mid-career or blossomed late will give you false positives. In fact, the first thing you'd have to do do is exclude Randy Johnson, whose career arc had its normal peak during the entire era and its normal ramp-up and fade-down before and after. If I did this study (and I don't plan to; it gets filed away with a whole stack of other good study ideas) I might first look at median rather than mean results. * I have a spreadsheet somewhere with the details, that I may try to find. There are 1,909 .xls(x) files in C:\Data\Excel\Baseball!
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 4, 2016 13:39:08 GMT -5
It's probably too much to ask for Wright to bail us out with another CG, but... could you, Steven? For those who are still skeptical about him in the post-season ... I've always maintained that there is no skill for hitting a good knuckleball. Any splits by opponent quality are due to the fact that if you throw a crap knuckler, a great hitter can do much more damage than a weak one. But a good knuckleball levels the playing field; it doesn't matter who's up there. Right now Wright has allowed: 572 OPS to 1-2 hitters 546 to 3-6 587 to 7-9 As long as he's on his game, he has an ability to shut down an elite opposing lineup (like Dickey did twice against us, although he dramatically fell off his game the first time after 5 IP). At this point there's zero question about his talent -- how good he is when he has the right feel for the pitch and is therefore on his game. The only unknown, and it is utterly unknown, is how often he will be on his game, in the long run of the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 14:35:40 GMT -5
There is no reason Bradley should be hitting behind Shaw anymore. I was concerned about this, even when Shaw was hitting so well to start the year. The fact is, 25-year-olds hitting .250 in AAA tend not to become .300 hitters in the MLB. I wonder if the league is starting to catch up to him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2016 14:48:14 GMT -5
I was concerned about this, even when Shaw was hitting so well to start the year. The fact is, 25-year-olds hitting .250 in AAA tend not to become .300 hitters in the MLB. I wonder if the league is starting to catch up to him. I think it's more about him playing every single game this season and that he may have some kind of nagging injury. He needs a break.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 4, 2016 15:21:35 GMT -5
Teams are about to stop pitching to Ortiz
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Post by radiohix on Jun 4, 2016 15:23:26 GMT -5
Hanley sucks.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2016 15:34:14 GMT -5
Lead off double. Let's not squander fellas.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 4, 2016 15:50:30 GMT -5
Love the Ali avatars.
May Wright float like a butterfly and sting like Ali.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 4, 2016 15:51:51 GMT -5
Games against knuckleballers shouldn't count for hitting streak purposes, really.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2016 15:53:41 GMT -5
Teams are about to stop pitching to Ortiz Only smart teams...
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Post by ianrs on Jun 4, 2016 15:53:58 GMT -5
The Blue Jays commentators are pretty frustrated they decided to pitch to Ortiz. Appropriately, Hanley GIDPs immediately.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 4, 2016 16:04:55 GMT -5
Too much spin on some of these knuckleballs.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 4, 2016 16:11:49 GMT -5
Any chance we could find another knuckleballer?
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 4, 2016 16:23:09 GMT -5
I want a rotation with five knuckleballers. I'm sure it would please wcp too.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 4, 2016 16:33:28 GMT -5
Seriously, enough of Hanigan. Enough. It's ridiculous.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 4, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -5
Once again mental mistakes an issue. No reason for wright NOT to be covering the plate.
Thanks John
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 4, 2016 16:37:57 GMT -5
JF is killing this team.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 4, 2016 16:39:56 GMT -5
Now lets see how quick the BP can give up 10 runs
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