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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2016 15:37:02 GMT -5
In an article regarding Nick Quintana that dates back to April: “I tell all the scouts and everyone that talks to me, ‘I’m signable,’” Quintana said. “I never want to give off that vibe that, ‘If it’s not after this or before this, then I’m going to Arizona.’ I always just tell them I’m signable, and that’s what I believe.” He doesn’t see any roadblocks, either, particularly in the form of a contract dispute. “If you’re passionate about baseball, and you work hard at it and you’re the best at what you do, the money will come,” Quintana said. “There’s no need to jeopardize what your career could possibly be over the money value.” |
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jun 12, 2016 16:11:46 GMT -5
So, assuming Groome signs, where does he pencil in the next rankings? 5? 4 for me, but 5 makes sense as well. 1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Espinoza 4. Groome 5. Devers 6. Travis 7. Kopech 8. Dubon 9. Lakins 10. Chavis |
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 12, 2016 16:19:05 GMT -5
This doesn't seem suspicious at all. My question about this is what could he do, that they could find out about, that would make them no longer interested in having him attend? Keep in mind that whatever it is, it hasn't leaked out to us yet. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2016 17:27:04 GMT -5
Python @jbelge15 Wanna thank the redsox again for drafting me. However I will be honoring my commitment to St. John's. Can't wait to be on campus! #Johnnies |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 12, 2016 17:27:10 GMT -5
Why does mlb limit signings after 10 rounds to 100k not counting to the cap? Is that to help small market teams? After agent fees and taxes, the kid is not really getting much at all if he signs for 100k (certainly not the amount he would get in value from a scholarship). 200k seems like a much more reasonable number. To help every team that doesn't like to spend more money than they have to. Same reason Walmart doesn't want the minimum wage raised while the heirs have a combined net worth of several hundred billion dollars. Oh spare me the tear jerker.. Same reason you don't want to pay 2.00 for that same loaf of wal mart branded bread, because the CO's are going to take that cut regardless. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2016 18:51:42 GMT -5
CC10 @cjchatham
Shipping off to Boston in the morning, couldn't be more excited!! Thank you all again for the texts, that stuff keeps me going #gosox
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 12, 2016 18:58:10 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear the bonus. $1mill would offer incredible options for other draftees.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2016 19:18:00 GMT -5
For me the Chatham pick could really determine how this draft looks down the road. They could have punted that one pick and got an extra 1 million or more to sign Groome and a few of the hard to sign high school they took later in Draft. Instead they took Chatham who I don't see signing for anything less than a million, so max like 200,000 saving, if we get that much. Unless Groome signs for slot, which I just don't see, Chatham better be a good player.
My guess is Groome takes 4 million to sign, so things are going to be very tight.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 12, 2016 19:28:36 GMT -5
For me the Chatham pick could really determine how this draft looks down the road. They could have punted that one pick and got an extra 1 million or more to sign Groome and a few of the hard to sign high school they took later in Draft. Instead they took Chatham who I don't see signing for anything less than a million, so max like 200,000 saving, if we get that much. Unless Groome signs for slot, which I just don't see, Chatham better be a good player. My guess is Groome takes 4 million to sign, so things are going to be very tight. For a team like the Red Sox, you don't get chances at Groome's unless they're traded for or signed in free agency. He literally fell into their laps. Most of the rest of their drafts have been about several players, this one is about Groome, and a few pieces. I think they find room to add Quintana. The other later round guys were "in case Groome refuses to sign". However, this is pure speculation/opinion base. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2016 19:41:07 GMT -5
For me the Chatham pick could really determine how this draft looks down the road. They could have punted that one pick and got an extra 1 million or more to sign Groome and a few of the hard to sign high school they took later in Draft. Instead they took Chatham who I don't see signing for anything less than a million, so max like 200,000 saving, if we get that much. Unless Groome signs for slot, which I just don't see, Chatham better be a good player. My guess is Groome takes 4 million to sign, so things are going to be very tight. For a team like the Red Sox, you don't get chances at Groome's unless they're traded for or signed in free agency. He literally fell into their laps. Most of the rest of their drafts have been about several players, this one is about Groome, and a few pieces. I think they find room to add Quintana. The other later round guys were "in case Groome refuses to sign". However, this is pure speculation/opinion base. I love the Groome pick, it was the pick they needed to make. It's the next pick that I currently question. |
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Post by alnipper on Jun 12, 2016 21:23:07 GMT -5
I still worry about Groome's off the possible of the field character issues. He is a great talent, but could be a bust. I have heard rumors that cause me concern. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 12, 2016 21:30:57 GMT -5
Boldt was there for the taking at 2
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 12, 2016 21:46:45 GMT -5
Boldt was there for the taking at 2 Fortunately the Sox took the player they had more highly rated. Not often you get a chance to draft the top college SS in the 2nd round. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2016 22:07:51 GMT -5
Boldt was there for the taking at 2 Fortunately the Sox took the player they had more highly rated. Not often you get a chance to draft the top college SS in the 2nd round. Top college SS of a very weak group. Do you really think he was top rated player? I believe he was top player that would sign for slot or below, not top overall player. |
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Post by rpiguy on Jun 12, 2016 22:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 12, 2016 22:45:37 GMT -5
I know slightly off topic but these crowds get amped up at the super regionals!
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 13, 2016 5:20:48 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 13, 2016 6:41:57 GMT -5
Fortunately the Sox took the player they had more highly rated. Not often you get a chance to draft the top college SS in the 2nd round. Top college SS of a very weak group. Do you really think he was top rated player? I believe he was top player that would sign for slot or below, not top overall player. It's so easy to criticize based on reading a few scouting reports and just knowing exactly the kind of player he'll turn out to be after developing. Or maybe it's just insane to not recognize that you have pretty much zero knowledge on it like the rest of us who never watched him play and can't predict the future. This is a 2nd round pick we're talking about here, in a draft which requires so many moving parts regarding the signing bonuses. You really can't give the team the benefit of the doubt here on a 2nd round pick? They probably have more information than you have. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 13, 2016 6:52:25 GMT -5
Fortunately the Sox took the player they had more highly rated. Not often you get a chance to draft the top college SS in the 2nd round. Top college SS of a very weak group. Do you really think he was top rated player? I believe he was top player that would sign for slot or below, not top overall player. True, they may have passed on some guys that were more highly rated, but they knew would require an overslot deal. So? You do want to sign Groome, right? We get it, you hate the Chatham pick. |
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 13, 2016 7:25:08 GMT -5
Chatham fits a system need, and he could easily glide through the system with ease. He seems like he can hit. If he establishes any type of power its probably 10-15 max. I wanted Boldt pretty strongly at 51, but it didn't happen.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 13, 2016 7:35:46 GMT -5
I wanted Nolan Jones at 51, but if we drafted either, maybe we had to go with more senior signs between rounds 3-10 and then end up not signing anyone over $100k after round 10.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jun 13, 2016 7:45:29 GMT -5
Nogosek is heading to Lowell:
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 13, 2016 8:14:36 GMT -5
Brady Bramlett @bradyb2821 1 min It was an honor and privilege to be drafted by the Boston redsox organization. Can't wait to get started, but, as always, Hotty Toddy! |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 13, 2016 8:23:32 GMT -5
They signed a lot of shortstops and relievers it seems like. A little odd they didnt sign more outfielders. I noticed that. I assume they send most college guys to Lowell & HS guys to GCL (though I could be wrong there). If 5 SS sign, I guess they have to do some juggling, maybe re-route some to the OF/3B, ect. I believe Chatham has played the OF. Relievers are different as I suppose they could piggyback/stretch some out as starters. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2016 8:35:02 GMT -5
Top college SS of a very weak group. Do you really think he was top rated player? I believe he was top player that would sign for slot or below, not top overall player. It's so easy to criticize based on reading a few scouting reports and just knowing exactly the kind of player he'll turn out to be after developing. Or maybe it's just insane to not recognize that you have pretty much zero knowledge on it like the rest of us who never watched him play and can't predict the future. This is a 2nd round pick we're talking about here, in a draft which requires so many moving parts regarding the signing bonuses. You really can't give the team the benefit of the doubt here on a 2nd round pick? They probably have more information than you have. Nope I don't give blind loyalty to any GM's not named Bill and Danny, they have earned it. All the knowledge we have at this point is player rankings and scouting reports. So why is it wrong to question a pick when those don't sound very good? Looking at Baseball America, Keith Law and MLB.com I think it's very fair to question that pick. MLB.com who has Chatham rated the highest, still raises questions about his bat. Law who seems to be the lowest on him says he can't stick at SS and is future utility guy. I'm on record saying I hope I'm wrong, i'm not rooting against the guy, just questioning the pick. Now if he some how signs for well below slot I will change my mind, just don't see that happening. So why is wrong for me to question the Chatham pick with the information I have, while everyone on here uses same information to love the Groome pick? A player generally seen as #1 player in Draft that 11 teams passed on. |
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