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Post-Draft Discussion Thread
jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jun 13, 2016 16:39:45 GMT -5
Speaking of Mookie, we should take a moment after 5 years to think kindly of Senquez Golson, who by passing on the Sox, allowed Mookie to be signed. Callis on a SP podcast this was not correct and Betts was getting singed, I forget who he said would have been out. Everybody said he was out; Callis was offering a correction of what everyone said I think, including Speier in August 2011 fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/08/16/red-sox-reallocate-golson-money-sign-fifth-rounder-mookie-betts/and Callis himself in Aug 2011 www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2011/2612233.htmlalthough his language is a little ambiguous: "Boston offered him a seven-figure bonus and discussed scenarios that would have allowed him to continue playing football, but it wasn't enough. The Red Sox audibled and signed fifth-rounder Mookie Betts for $750,000 while also paying its four picks in the first and sandwich rounds a total of $6.65 million on Aug. 15." |
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Post by azblue on Jun 13, 2016 17:08:52 GMT -5
Based on the scouting report that the Sox had on Mookie (as described by the scout who signed him), I would hope that they were intending to sign Betts regardless of what Golson did. Perhaps it was speculation about Golson being the lynchpin, but it was widely reported (speculated?) that Golson's selection of football was the key to Mookie signing.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 13, 2016 17:17:54 GMT -5
Boldt was there for the taking at 2 Fortunately the Sox took the player they had more highly rated. Not often you get a chance to draft the top college SS in the 2nd round. Remember Marrero? How is this kid a better player |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 13, 2016 17:36:36 GMT -5
Fortunately the Sox took the player they had more highly rated. Not often you get a chance to draft the top college SS in the 2nd round. Remember Marrero? How is this kid a better player For starters? They won't throw away 2m on Chatham as a bonus, including 250k of it being over slot for not hitting at the collegiate level. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 13, 2016 21:59:01 GMT -5
Among other local players drafted: ▪ FAU shortstop C.J. Chatham, who played high school ball at Plantation American Heritage, was drafted in the second round by the Boston Red Sox. Chatham, who said he has agreed to terms with the Red Sox, said he had a choice to be drafted by Boston or the Toronto Blue Jays and one other team. He chose the Red Sox because of Boston’s status as an elite franchise. “There were a couple of teams that were picking around the same time, and the money was about the same,” Chatham said. “I chose the Red Sox.” Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/article83136357.html#storylink=cpy |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Jun 13, 2016 22:07:34 GMT -5
Haha, imagine if I was trying to troll. Haven't been challenged to an internet fight in 15 years. And that was most likely because you were on the internet while your room mate was trying to make a call on the land line. |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 13, 2016 23:41:13 GMT -5
Among other local players drafted: ▪ FAU shortstop C.J. Chatham, who played high school ball at Plantation American Heritage, was drafted in the second round by the Boston Red Sox. Chatham, who said he has agreed to terms with the Red Sox, said he had a choice to be drafted by Boston or the Toronto Blue Jays and one other team. He chose the Red Sox because of Boston’s status as an elite franchise. “There were a couple of teams that were picking around the same time, and the money was about the same,” Chatham said. “I chose the Red Sox.” Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/article83136357.html#storylink=cpyInteresting. The Blue Jays had two picks in the 2nd round....one at 57 ($1,124,000 value) and again at 66 ($978,600). I'm crossing my fingers that we offered him an even 1 million similar to the 66th slot value and he took it. |
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 14, 2016 0:00:27 GMT -5
“There were a couple of teams that were picking around the same time, and the money was about the same,” Chatham said. “I chose the Red Sox.” Umm, what? That's not how it works... |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 14, 2016 0:06:33 GMT -5
“There were a couple of teams that were picking around the same time, and the money was about the same,” Chatham said. “I chose the Red Sox.” Umm, what? That's not how it works... Pretty much exactly how it works. Teams aren't risking losing that slot's value. They call and find who will sign for how much they want to offer. |
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 14, 2016 0:31:41 GMT -5
“There were a couple of teams that were picking around the same time, and the money was about the same,” Chatham said. “I chose the Red Sox.” Umm, what? That's not how it works... Yeah, at first I had the same reaction. To translate: Three teams approached him saying, "we'll take you relatively early in the second round if you'll agree to sign now for the money you were expecting as a mid-late 2nd round pick at best, maybe a 3rd rounder." He chose us, and then we chose him. Who was the 3rd team? Here are teams drafting after us who took college guys that were ranked less high by BA than their draft slot: 53. Rays, Ryan Boldt (ranked 70), but not going over slot for first round pick Joshua Lowe (ranked 17, drafted 13) 54. Orioles, Keegan Akin (80), but not going over slot for Cody Sedlock (ranked 42, drafted 27) 58. Nationals, Sheldon Neuse (129), but not going over slot for Carter Kiebook or Dane Dunning (ranked 44 and 60, drafted 27 and 28) 62. Yankees, Nick Solak (86), going over slot for Blake Rutherford (ranked 9 and drafted 18) Interesting. And of course it's probably a smart thing to not mention that you chose the Sox over the Yankees. Also interesting: presumably this happens even if Groome doesn't fall to us, in which case the extra money is allocated to signability picks from rounds 11 and on. |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 14, 2016 0:57:04 GMT -5
It's so easy to criticize based on reading a few scouting reports and just knowing exactly the kind of player he'll turn out to be after developing. Or maybe it's just insane to not recognize that you have pretty much zero knowledge on it like the rest of us who never watched him play and can't predict the future. This is a 2nd round pick we're talking about here, in a draft which requires so many moving parts regarding the signing bonuses. You really can't give the team the benefit of the doubt here on a 2nd round pick? They probably have more information than you have. Nope I don't give blind loyalty to any GM's not named Bill and Danny, they have earned it. All the knowledge we have at this point is player rankings and scouting reports. So why is it wrong to question a pick when those don't sound very good? Looking at Baseball America, Keith Law and MLB.com I think it's very fair to question that pick. MLB.com who has Chatham rated the highest, still raises questions about his bat. Law who seems to be the lowest on him says he can't stick at SS and is future utility guy. I'm on record saying I hope I'm wrong, i'm not rooting against the guy, just questioning the pick. Now if he some how signs for well below slot I will change my mind, just don't see that happening. So why is wrong for me to question the Chatham pick with the information I have, while everyone on here uses same information to love the Groome pick? A player generally seen as #1 player in Draft that 11 teams passed on. There are pretty differing views on both Chatham's bat and glove out there. I'd have preferred Nolan Jones in a perfect world, but second-round picks generally have pretty low success rates. The vast majority either never make it or are role players. Guys like Lester or Maddux are the **extreme** outliers. I think you're right, in that he was probably the best deal they could get while still getting a player that they liked, but not a true "BPA." But this is an organization that developed an above-average defensive SS from a guy most were certain would be a 3b. I imagine they like his chances to stick at short...Bregman last year was considered a sure-fire 2b, but with Correa's poor defense, and Bregman's surprising defense in AA, he looks ticketed for SS in Houston. And one need look no further than a previously grossly underrated SS (both hit tool and power) that the Sox liked to see that scouting reports are not just snapshots, but often wrong: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20547 (at least in retrospect). Pedroia was a second-rounder who had lots of questions about his fielding (and some about his hitting) when the team drafted him. It's not just the GM you're trusting, it's the whole scouting and development department (and a lot of those scouts have been around a while). I like the Chatham pick for what it was: a shot at an up-the-middle player who looks like a good bet to produce at least an MLBer (a la Travis), and who may move quickly, and develop (also a la Travis)...who possibly (probably) helps them afford an exceptional talent in Groome. Under the new CBA, you can't have ALL the cake and eat it too. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 14, 2016 9:29:04 GMT -5
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 14, 2016 10:12:07 GMT -5
Take the scholarship kid! Get the degree and I'm sure you will get re-drafted.... Mistake I made years ago, be it, it was not baseball. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 14, 2016 11:16:15 GMT -5
Take the scholarship kid! Get the degree and I'm sure you will get re-drafted.... Mistake I made years ago, be it, it was not baseball. On the other hand, I believe all drafted signings include educational expenses. The scholarship or equivalent will be there either way. |
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Post by eagleeye9184 on Jun 14, 2016 11:21:15 GMT -5
Are any monies related to school expenses counted under the bonus pool allocation, or are they considered separately?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 14, 2016 11:29:57 GMT -5
I believe they are separate. If I recall correctly (and I might be totally wrong here), the monies come from MLB not from the individual teams.
Another nice little MLB perk down the road is that anybody that makes a team 25 man roster has his health insurance paid for life.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 14, 2016 11:53:33 GMT -5
Another nice little MLB perk down the road is that anybody that makes a team 25 man roster has his health insurance paid for life. I don't think this is true. They offer you the right to be on the MLB Health Plan for life, but they do not pay the premiums for you. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 14, 2016 12:07:43 GMT -5
You get health insurance for a year after you leave a 25 man roster. It was a pretty big deal for a former Sox player with a sick child I remember reading, Scott Atchison I believe.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 14, 2016 12:08:13 GMT -5
@nlovullo7: Back to Mass!!! This time headed for Lowell! ✈️✈️
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 14, 2016 12:21:52 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 14, 2016 13:12:22 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 14, 2016 13:35:38 GMT -5
Can I ask a technical question? If we don't sign Groome, I know we lose that slot $, but what about the 5% overage? Do we also lose that for the first-round slot? Would we be able to spend 5% over $7M or 5% over only the remaining $3.8M? You lose the slot, so you don't have the money anymore, so yeah, it's 105 percent of whatever the remaining cap is. The cap+5 would drop from $7,347,270 to $3,994,830. Of course, consider that if Groome is getting $46 (conservatively), the amount remaining for others would be $3,347,270 in the first instance, so Groome would turn into at least $650k to spread elsewhere and number 13 next year. Not that you wouldn't obviously prefer Groome. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 14, 2016 14:27:34 GMT -5
I assume we should start hearing about signings and dollar figures later this week?
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Post by azblue on Jun 14, 2016 15:14:20 GMT -5
loved reading Alex's report on all of the draft picks. This guy has to be my favorite player...2/3 the size of Eddie Gaedel
Robby Sexton, LHP
Round: 14. Pick: 418.
Height: 2-1. Weight: 225. Age: 22.
Bats: Left. Throws: Left.
College: Wright State (Ohio).
Gives new meaning to "little lefty." He may have some conditioning issues. 2-1 and 225.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 14, 2016 15:42:18 GMT -5
loved reading Alex's report on all of the draft picks. This guy has to be my favorite player...2/3 the size of Eddie Gaedel Robby Sexton, LHP Round: 14. Pick: 418. Height: 2-1. Weight: 225. Age: 22. Bats: Left. Throws: Left. College: Wright State (Ohio). Gives new meaning to "little lefty." He may have some conditioning issues. 2-1 and 225. He's working out with Panda's trainer, apparently. You have to be a fan of a lefty from Wright State |
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