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7/4-7/6 Red Sox vs. Rangers Series Thread
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Post by larrycook on Jul 4, 2016 23:40:37 GMT -5
We need price to step up his game and pitch a superior game tomorrow.
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Post by gerry on Jul 5, 2016 2:18:24 GMT -5
Just your daily reminder that the O's have a worst pitching staff than we do. Their supposed number 2 gave them 4 IP. their BP is running on fumes. In the Tour de France, both yesterday and today's stages, strong talent broke away and held a big lead for miles. Sbortly before the finish, both ran out of fumes as the peleton inexorably overtook them and reeled them in. Finally, at the very end of the 100+ mile sprint, the ones with equivalent talent but who had been protected in the pack by their teams, gave it everything they had left and the ones with the most finally won it, today in a photo finish. The Sox are in 2nd place creeping up on the sputtering O's. IMO, the best pitching will win this hard hitting division
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 5, 2016 3:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 5, 2016 3:54:15 GMT -5
Sandy Leon is 2nd in the AL in fWAR for catchers.
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Post by braziliansox on Jul 5, 2016 4:28:04 GMT -5
Game ball to my man Sandy. He has changed the team culture and erased the need for a DH next season. And a shout out to the Manager who brought him back up, played him and stuck with him in all situations. How can you give him credit for bringing Leon back up because every other option was on the DL? And how is riding his hot streak sticking with him in all situations?
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 5, 2016 7:29:25 GMT -5
We need price to step up his game and pitch a superior game tomorrow. Feels like we've been saying this for 3 months now.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2016 7:52:23 GMT -5
Just your daily reminder that the O's have a worst pitching staff than we do. Their supposed number 2 gave them 4 IP. their BP is running on fumes. In the Tour de France, both yesterday and today's stages, strong talent broke away and held a big lead for miles. Sbortly before the finish, both ran out of fumes as the peleton inexorably overtook them and reeled them in. Finally, at the very end of the 100+ mile sprint, the ones with equivalent talent but who had been protected in the pack by their teams, gave it everything they had left and the ones with the most finally won it, today in a photo finish. The Sox are in 2nd place creeping up on the sputtering O's. IMO, the best pitching will win this hard hitting division That would be Toronto, at least, up to this point.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2016 7:55:06 GMT -5
And a shout out to the Manager who brought him back up, played him and stuck with him in all situations. How can you give him credit for bringing Leon back up because every other option was on the DL? And how is riding his hot streak sticking with him in all situations? I actually think it is Dombrowski who brought him back up. And the choice was between Leon and Butler. Leon had more MLB experience and some familiarity with this staff. Really a no-brainer. No one could've expected that he'd reveal his true super powers when he did get the call. Though we're all glad he has.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 5, 2016 8:11:17 GMT -5
How can you give him credit for bringing Leon back up because every other option was on the DL? And how is riding his hot streak sticking with him in all situations? I actually think it is Dombrowski who brought him back up. And the choice was between Leon and Butler. Leon had more MLB experience and some familiarity with this staff. Really a no-brainer. No one could've expected that he'd reveal his true super powers when he did get the call. Though we're all glad he has. Believe it or not, some will be pissy because he's playing instead of a Sox prospect. Same with Clay, some defend him til the end. Kind of like Hitler's bunker.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 5, 2016 9:06:38 GMT -5
How can you give him credit for bringing Leon back up because every other option was on the DL? And how is riding his hot streak sticking with him in all situations? I actually think it is Dombrowski who brought him back up. And the choice was between Leon and Butler. Leon had more MLB experience and some familiarity with this staff. Really a no-brainer. No one could've expected that he'd reveal his true super powers when he did get the call. Though we're all glad he has. General Managers normally consult with the field manager to find out whom he prefers. Obviously, by playing him in all kinds of situations, this has built up his confidence. His. 500 BA will not continue. But Sandy's defensive work is what has surprised me and may lead to a long run with the team. I believe Hanigan will be trade bait as we approach the deadline.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 5, 2016 9:20:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure Sandy is not a true talent .500 hitter but I want him to get enough PA to show if this is entirely a lucky hot streak or if it is influenced in any way by a change in approach. Sorry but the potential to have even a .250 hitting catcher just has me drooling Could I get your autograph??!! I presume that you combine your everyday job with commercial appearances as Cap't. Obvious!
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Post by gerry on Jul 5, 2016 10:08:37 GMT -5
In the Tour de France, both yesterday and today's stages, strong talent broke away and held a big lead for miles. Sbortly before the finish, both ran out of fumes as the peleton inexorably overtook them and reeled them in. Finally, at the very end of the 100+ mile sprint, the ones with equivalent talent but who had been protected in the pack by their teams, gave it everything they had left and the ones with the most finally won it, today in a photo finish. The Sox are in 2nd place creeping up on the sputtering O's. IMO, the best pitching will win this hard hitting division That would be Toronto, at least, up to this point. Yes. Just an analogy. But to your point, after the leader faded and was finally overtaken by the peleton, the maneuvering of the rest of the pack was intense until the two top sprinters raced to the finish line to, yesterday, a photo finish. iMO, Toronto's pitching issues may be more problematic than even the Red Sox. It may be a real race in this second half with a photo finish. If that happens and we end the year keeping our top prospects, and strong for 2017, it will have been a great season no matter what.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2016 10:37:10 GMT -5
And a shout out to the Manager who brought him back up, played him and stuck with him in all situations. How can you give him credit for bringing Leon back up because every other option was on the DL? And how is riding his hot streak sticking with him in all situations? i mean, one option was not playing him at all. Not saying JF should be lauded here, but he could have put Vasquez in there every game and kept him on the bench, as he had done previously with JBJ. All credit here goes to Leon, although the transformation is about as shocking as can be.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2016 10:50:59 GMT -5
The Sox have left 620 runners on base....37 more than the next team and 79 more than the Orioles to this point. Not saying the offense hasn't been good...but that number could be the difference between 1st and 2nd place at this point in the season.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 5, 2016 11:16:53 GMT -5
The Sox have left 620 runners on base....37 more than the next team and 79 more than the Orioles to this point. Not saying the offense hasn't been good...but that number could be the difference between 1st and 2nd place at this point in the season. The Red Sox have put 110 more runners on base than any other team if you isolate out home runs. 37.1% of the players who have reached base for the Red Sox have gone on to score, the highest number in the American League. The next highest is Texas, at 36.8%. So leaving runners on base is not the problem.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 5, 2016 12:23:51 GMT -5
How can you give him credit for bringing Leon back up because every other option was on the DL? And how is riding his hot streak sticking with him in all situations? Sandy Leon was not an obvious choice at all, not for being brought back up and not for getting continuous playing time. I see people around here complaining about possible roster mismanagement all the time (not you or anyone specifically, but it's a frequent theme), it's IMO a bit wrong to do that and being "eh, whatever" when it comes to a random move that actually works.
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Post by jmei on Jul 5, 2016 12:34:27 GMT -5
Leon was a pretty obvious candidate to get brought up. It was either him or Butler, and Leon had more recent MLB experience and more MLB experience in general. Farrell should get some credit for giving him regular playing time, though.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 5, 2016 12:50:25 GMT -5
The Sox have left 620 runners on base....37 more than the next team and 79 more than the Orioles to this point. Not saying the offense hasn't been good...but that number could be the difference between 1st and 2nd place at this point in the season. Jerry, you're misunderstanding the way this works. Better team with better hitters throughout the lineup should have more runners on base, and a higher proportion of those runners scoring. That's exactly what the Sox have shown as James points out. It's a statistical process, not a deterministic one.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 5, 2016 12:59:48 GMT -5
The Sox have left 620 runners on base....37 more than the next team and 79 more than the Orioles to this point. Not saying the offense hasn't been good...but that number could be the difference between 1st and 2nd place at this point in the season. Jerry, you're misunderstanding the way this works. Better team with better hitters throughout the lineup should have more runners on base, and a higher proportion of those runners scoring. That's exactly what the Sox have shown as James points out. It's a statistical process, not a deterministic one. I think you and James are essentially right, but to be totally accurate, don't we need to normalize for where those runners are on the bases and what kind of hits are driving them in? Because the Sox have hit so many doubles and are also not bad in triples, they should be expected to drive in more of the runners that are on base (at least when Xander is on 1B, say, rather than Ortiz), AND they should be, on average, in better position to score when they put themselves on base. To cite one tiny aggravating example, it's a shame that Leon had 4 hits yesterday including 3 doubles, only scored once, and drove no one in.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2016 13:28:49 GMT -5
The Sox have left 620 runners on base....37 more than the next team and 79 more than the Orioles to this point. Not saying the offense hasn't been good...but that number could be the difference between 1st and 2nd place at this point in the season. Jerry, you're misunderstanding the way this works. Better team with better hitters throughout the lineup should have more runners on base, and a higher proportion of those runners scoring. That's exactly what the Sox have shown as James points out. It's a statistical process, not a deterministic one. thanks...and I get that. But it's kind of impossible to argue that it hasn't impaired their overall record. The offense has been the key reason they are what their record is, but a couple of better sequences and they would have a better record.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2016 13:33:42 GMT -5
The Sox have left 620 runners on base....37 more than the next team and 79 more than the Orioles to this point. Not saying the offense hasn't been good...but that number could be the difference between 1st and 2nd place at this point in the season. The Red Sox have put 110 more runners on base than any other team if you isolate out home runs. 37.1% of the players who have reached base for the Red Sox have gone on to score, the highest number in the American League. The next highest is Texas, at 36.8%. So leaving runners on base is not the problem. So what your saying is because they are the high water mark....that's all we should expect? If they were an outlier of an even higher percent of runners scored...I am pretty sure they would have a better record.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2016 13:54:44 GMT -5
More gritty, gutty intangible energetic Gomes-like Gomesiness proof (of a narrative taking form):
The Red Sox are 24-9 in games Brock Holt starts this season, compared to 21-28 when he doesn't.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 5, 2016 13:58:18 GMT -5
Jerry, you're misunderstanding the way this works. Better team with better hitters throughout the lineup should have more runners on base, and a higher proportion of those runners scoring. That's exactly what the Sox have shown as James points out. It's a statistical process, not a deterministic one. thanks...and I get that. But it's kind of impossible to argue that it hasn't impaired their overall record. The offense has been the key reason they are what their record is, but a couple of better sequences and they would have a better record. Not at all, it's very easy to argue that it hasn't impaired it anthing. Here's the arithmetic: If a team puts 1,000 runners on base, and brings in 37%, they've scored 370 runs, and left 630 runners on. If another team has put 890 runners on and brought in 35% of them, they've scored 311 runs, and they've left 578 runners on. So you're team has left 52 more runners on but they've scored 59 more runs. Which would you rather have?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2016 14:00:09 GMT -5
Leon was a pretty obvious candidate to get brought up. It was either him or Butler, and Leon had more recent MLB experience and more MLB experience in general. Farrell should get some credit for giving him regular playing time, though. Which reminds me - have you or anyone here seen Romanski for more than a game or two? My impression was that he projected as a back-up catcher/org guy. Has this changed to MLB regular possibility? Could give the Sox even more of a wealth of catching prospects if so.
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 5, 2016 14:41:45 GMT -5
thanks...and I get that. But it's kind of impossible to argue that it hasn't impaired their overall record. The offense has been the key reason they are what their record is, but a couple of better sequences and they would have a better record. Not at all, it's very easy to argue that it hasn't impaired it anthing. Here's the arithmetic: If a team puts 1,000 runners on base, and brings in 37%, they've scored 370 runs, and left 630 runners on. If another team has put 890 runners on and brought in 35% of them, they've scored 311 runs, and they've left 578 runners on. So you're team has left 52 more runners on but they've scored 59 more runs. Which would you rather have? Depends, which one has better batting average with RISP?
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