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Post by rookie13 on Dec 15, 2016 23:21:14 GMT -5
Floyd is definitely a great depth pickup. If someone gets hurt and he takes on a full time role, I could see him excelling with that offense.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 18, 2016 21:10:31 GMT -5
Mitchell and Hogan showed today that they are not ready for the biggest stage, and our offense is in trouble against top tier defenses without Gronk. Thank goodness our defense and special teams kept an iron grip on the game today.
Our linebacking corps is really quite the storyline this season. I thought it would be awesome because of Hightower and Collins, and, well, I guess I was right about half of that. Ninkovich has transitioned really smoothly from DE to OLB, and somehow the Hoodie dug up an entire bushel of above replacement level guys from somewhere - Van Noy, McClellin, Roberts. Hands up if you even heard about any of those guys a year ago.
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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2016 22:30:42 GMT -5
Eh, Van Noy was a second round pick and McClellin was a first round pick. Both players were tied to the Patriots during their draft year, and I'd definitely heard of both of them before they were picked up by the Patriots.
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Post by costpet on Dec 19, 2016 7:42:26 GMT -5
They say that defense wins championships. We've got one. Trey Flowers. Who knew? Took the place of Chandler Jones very nicely. You can see how they miss Gronk, especially in 3rd downs and the red zone. Just hope that Endelman does not get hurt. Then we've got a problem.
If we lock up the playoff home field advantage next week, I'd love to see Galop. take the reins against Miami. If he had a great game, I could see Bill tangling him to Cleveland for their first pick.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2016 10:23:54 GMT -5
Fewest points given up in the NFL. After trading Jones and Collins many had questions about the D. Well once again BB has the answer, do your job!! No freelancing at an attempt to make a big play, I will go out and get a lesser talented player to replace you and stay within the system. And the team will be better off.
How is it that the Pats have been one of the best teams in football for so long? Because BB is one of those coaches that can beat you with his and he can beat you with yours. That and having Tom doesn't hurt.
Having Dante back running the Oline can not be overlokked either, great coach obviously.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2016 10:43:25 GMT -5
Is there even any team aside from the Giants that can challenge the Pats this year? Maybe the Steelers, but that team is so inconsistent. It's been a very weird year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2016 10:55:20 GMT -5
Mitchell and Hogan showed today that they are not ready for the biggest stage, and our offense is in trouble against top tier defenses without Gronk. Thank goodness our defense and special teams kept an iron grip on the game today. Our linebacking corps is really quite the storyline this season. I thought it would be awesome because of Hightower and Collins, and, well, I guess I was right about half of that. Ninkovich has transitioned really smoothly from DE to OLB, and somehow the Hoodie dug up an entire bushel of above replacement level guys from somewhere - Van Noy, McClellin, Roberts. Hands up if you even heard about any of those guys a year ago. Not to brag, but I sure did. That's what happens when you spend like 80 dollars a year on NFL draft magazines. Van Noy dropped in draft, was projected to go late first by a lot of people. So I'm not surprised one bit by his play, he had all the tools. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2016 11:07:43 GMT -5
They say that defense wins championships. We've got one. Trey Flowers. Who knew? Took the place of Chandler Jones very nicely. You can see how they miss Gronk, especially in 3rd downs and the red zone. Just hope that Endelman does not get hurt. Then we've got a problem. If we lock up the playoff home field advantage next week, I'd love to see Galop. take the reins against Miami. If he had a great game, I could see Bill tangling him to Cleveland for their first pick. I loved the Flowers pick as much as I hated the Grissom pick. Not shocking that Flowers has out played Richards and Grissom, he was rated higher than both of them. If you remember last year Flowers had a great camp and then got injured and missed most of the season. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 19, 2016 11:58:22 GMT -5
Is there even any team aside from the Giants that can challenge the Pats this year? Maybe the Steelers, but that team is so inconsistent. It's been a very weird year. I would say the Cowboys and/or the Raiders but I'm not sure. The Steelers would present matchup problems, I'm hoping the patriots avoid them. Should get to the super bowl this year, fingers crossed. One more win and the number one seed might be a lock. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 19, 2016 12:17:48 GMT -5
I don't think it's in BB's DNA to throw games, but if we beat the Jets next week or otherwise lock up the #1 seed, we may want to either rest players or half ass it vs. Miami. Allowing Miami to win may give Miami a spot in the playoffs over either Denver (who may have their own problems the next two weeks) or the loser of Baltimore/Pittsburgh. Losing to Miami could help keep up to two of those teams out of the playoffs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2016 12:30:34 GMT -5
We need to win out if the Raiders win out because they would own the tie breaker over us... best winning percentage vs common opponents. They've beaten all the teams we have both played whereas we lost a game to the Bills.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2016 12:39:41 GMT -5
Mark me in the camp who knew both McLellen and Van Noy...
Also, I don't think Hogan and Mitchell proved they couldn't play big games. Baltimore was a big game and they both played well. Denver has the best pass defense for a reason. They won't run into another secondary like that until maybe Seattle and even they aren't close to that especially with Thomas out.
The defense looks like it's really coming along. I'm cautiously optimistic it will hold up. Flowers and the linebackers have been great but one guy who's not getting credit that should is Eric Rowe... that's turning out to be a great pick up. Started slow but even during that slow start he was just missing plays. Now he's been a nice player for that defense.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 19, 2016 15:31:40 GMT -5
We need to win out if the Raiders win out because they would own the tie breaker over us... best winning percentage vs common opponents. They've beaten all the teams we have both played whereas we lost a game to the Bills. Is the #1 seed that necessary? I mean would one be willing to sacrifice a home game vs. Oakland to avoid having to play at home vs. Baltimore or Denver? Personally I would absolutely risk playing Oakland on the road (assuming Oakland gets past their first round opponent) in order to screw Denver AND the loser of Pittsburgh/Baltimore out of making the playoffs. Now Denver may end up screwing themselves if they lose to KC or Oakland... |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 19, 2016 15:35:00 GMT -5
Mark me in the camp who knew both McLellen and Van Noy... Also, I don't think Hogan and Mitchell proved they couldn't play big games. Baltimore was a big game and they both played well. Denver has the best pass defense for a reason. They won't run into another secondary like that until maybe Seattle and even they aren't close to that especially with Thomas out. The defense looks like it's really coming along. I'm cautiously optimistic it will hold up. Flowers and the linebackers have been great but one guy who's not getting credit that should is Eric Rowe... that's turning out to be a great pick up. Started slow but even during that slow start he was just missing plays. Now he's been a nice player for that defense. I agree. Not only is Denver one of the best (if not the best) coverage teams, they are also one of the best (if not the best) pass rushing team. I think we came into the game expecting little from the passing game, and we ran the ball to neutralize Denver's advantage in that area. Given our success in the running game, and in general defense, we really didn't need Hogan or Mitchell in the passing game. Hogan did have an annoying drop, and I'm sure they could have played better or been utilized more, but in a game with a great secondary and a great pass rush, it is difficult to get free or have the time to throw to receivers. Brady threw a lot of passes to the backs, the backs ran effectively, and they did not need to score 30 points to win. I imagine that if Denver scored more points, the Pats may have adapted a different offensive strategy. That being said, I am excited for Floyd to come into the mix to see what he can do and I hope that Amendola can find his way back to action soon. Edit: Took out part about Gronk. That's not happening. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2016 15:36:56 GMT -5
We need to win out if the Raiders win out because they would own the tie breaker over us... best winning percentage vs common opponents. They've beaten all the teams we have both played whereas we lost a game to the Bills. Is the #1 seed that necessary? I mean would one be willing to sacrifice a home game vs. Oakland to avoid having to play at home vs. Baltimore or Denver? Personally I would absolutely risk playing Oakland on the road (assuming Oakland gets past their first round opponent) in order to screw Denver AND the loser of Pittsburgh/Baltimore out of making the playoffs. Now Denver may end up screwing themselves if they lose to KC or Oakland... Yes, no one should come into Foxboro and win. We just dominated Baltimore why would we worry about them? Edit: Mack is a stud, who could do a lot of damage at home |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2016 15:38:48 GMT -5
Floyd might bring something but he's not going to learn a lot of the offense - he's a goal line and go route guy
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 19, 2016 15:43:04 GMT -5
Is the #1 seed that necessary? I mean would one be willing to sacrifice a home game vs. Oakland to avoid having to play at home vs. Baltimore or Denver? Personally I would absolutely risk playing Oakland on the road (assuming Oakland gets past their first round opponent) in order to screw Denver AND the loser of Pittsburgh/Baltimore out of making the playoffs. Now Denver may end up screwing themselves if they lose to KC or Oakland... Yes, no one should come into Foxboro and win. We just dominated Baltimore why would we worry about them?Edit: Mack is a stud, who could do a lot of damage at home Because we found a way to dominate them AND also look like we were close to losing the game. I'm sorry but we may be better than Baltimore on paper, but I'm pretty sure that we were better than them on paper ALL 4 times we faced them in the playoffs (at home mind you) and we BARELY won two of those games. I'm sorry, but even beyond personal joy stemming from screwing over 2 of Denver/Pittsburgh/Baltimore and their respective fanbases, I would much rather risk playing Oakland on the road than having either of those 2 teams in the playoffs. I just wish we could somehow screw over the Giants in the process. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2016 15:44:37 GMT -5
Eh when you start worrying about anything but taking care of your own business things go wrong.
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Post by jmei on Dec 19, 2016 19:11:13 GMT -5
The difference between a road game versus a home game in the AFCCG vs. Oakland is greater than the gap between the Dolphins and the Ravens/Broncos, and the odds of each is about equally likely. I am much more concerned about whether the Patriots have the easiest path to a Super Bowl than being worried about "screwing" some team's fans, and you can bet Bill Belichick agrees.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 19, 2016 19:59:52 GMT -5
The difference between a road game versus a home game in the AFCCG vs. Oakland is greater than the gap between the Dolphins and the Ravens/Broncos, and the odds of each is about equally likely. I am much more concerned about whether the Patriots have the easiest path to a Super Bowl than being worried about "screwing" some team's fans, and you can bet Bill Belichick agrees. That being said, I hope this number 1 seed is wrapped up next week. I'd rather have Jimmy G. starting the last game of the year with every scrub on week 17. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 20, 2016 1:17:28 GMT -5
The difference between a road game versus a home game in the AFCCG vs. Oakland is greater than the gap between the Dolphins and the Ravens/Broncos, and the odds of each is about equally likely. I am much more concerned about whether the Patriots have the easiest path to a Super Bowl than being worried about "screwing" some team's fans, and you can bet Bill Belichick agrees. That being said, I hope this number 1 seed is wrapped up next week. I'd rather have Jimmy G. starting the last game of the year with every scrub on week 17. That scares me. We already have a bi week. You would risk players getting rusty in my opinion. Maybe have them play a quarter or half. Obviously if players have nagging injuries you sit them, just not all the starters. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 20, 2016 9:15:00 GMT -5
The difference between a road game versus a home game in the AFCCG vs. Oakland is greater than the gap between the Dolphins and the Ravens/Broncos, and the odds of each is about equally likely. I am much more concerned about whether the Patriots have the easiest path to a Super Bowl than being worried about "screwing" some team's fans, and you can bet Bill Belichick agrees. That being said, I hope this number 1 seed is wrapped up next week. I'd rather have Jimmy G. starting the last game of the year with every scrub on week 17. Plus, if you start Jimmy G in week 17 after not having true preparation rhythm leading up to that game and he struggles what does that do to his trade value? That's down the list of priorities but still. Right now you could be sitting on a guy worth the Philly pick plus from Cleveland... I'm still torn on if they should trade him or make him their heir apparent. What I do know is they need at least one high first to make it worth while to trade him in my opinion. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 20, 2016 10:27:08 GMT -5
That being said, I hope this number 1 seed is wrapped up next week. I'd rather have Jimmy G. starting the last game of the year with every scrub on week 17. Plus, if you start Jimmy G in week 17 after not having true preparation rhythm leading up to that game and he struggles what does that do to his trade value? That's down the list of priorities but still. Right now you could be sitting on a guy worth the Philly pick plus from Cleveland... I'm still torn on if they should trade him or make him their heir apparent. What I do know is they need at least one high first to make it worth while to trade him in my opinion. If you concede to TB's plans to play for as long as possible and that is a few years down the road then the heir apparent thing doesn't work. When JG hits free agency in 2018 the Pats will lose him and get no return. You cant carry the cost of both JG and TB while managing the cap. Pretty much guarantees the Pats trade him this offseason. I don't think the Pats can turn down a top 10 pick for JG. That is huge for your backup QB. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 20, 2016 15:18:48 GMT -5
I don't concede to that. I think the Pats are in a tough spot. I trust them to make a good decision. My contention is that if they believe JG can be the heir apparent and play at an elite level then they should keep him and move on from Brady after next season or the one after. If they aren't completely sure and you can get a top 10 pick then they should trade Jimmy.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 24, 2016 17:16:04 GMT -5
J-E-S-T!
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