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Post by jmei on Oct 31, 2016 16:28:11 GMT -5
The pick comes a year earlier than the comp pick would, and with more certainty. Collins has been playing poorly this year and they knew they weren't going to re-sign him. I don't hate the idea of a trade of Collins, but I think they should have held out for a (slightly) better pick. I think Cleveland gives up their regular third rounder for Collins at the end of the day.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 2, 2016 11:48:48 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to say Collins had been playing poorly this year. He didn't play well vs the Bills and the defense played well without him against Cincy but PFF ranked him as the 9th best ILB before last Sunday's game and I think he's 11 now...
I have to assume there was something going on and he was getting hard to coach. There is no good reason to get a Comp pick a year earlier and weaken your team this year. BB has to feel the team will be better this year by removing him and the only way that makes sense is if he were becoming a problem.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 2, 2016 11:50:12 GMT -5
I know the Gordon comment was a joke but people would feel that way. Gordon is one of those players that's not worth his money and is a net negative in a salary cap league.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 2, 2016 14:43:45 GMT -5
The thing that makes no sense is that they offered him 11 million a year contract in offseason. Your telling me he all of a sudden became an issue? I get you'll most likely lose him in offseason, but I agree why not just keep him and get a pick a year later. All reports are that he was a good teammate and wasn't causing problems.
With Chandler Jones you got a better pick and you got a pick in a year you didn't have a first round pick and needed the pick. It made sense, this makes little sense.
About Josh Gordon he's still on his rookie level contract and making peanuts. So I'm not sure how he's a net negative. Give him a look, if it works out great, if not cut him and it does nothing to your cap. I just think the Pat's are the best team to help him.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 2, 2016 15:05:16 GMT -5
IF NE believes they weren't going to sign him and . . . IF Belichek believes that KVN, ER and Mingo can compensate for his loss . . .
then the trade makes more sense. Volin's take on the value of this pick over one (hopefully) in 2018 is spot on.
The first IF is easier to believe than the second though. I like what I saw, so far, in Roberts but not enough to offset Collins. We've only seen Mingo in Exhibition games and on ST and haven't seen Van Noy in the Pats scheme. So that's the big mystery. I guess we'll see.
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Post by thebogeyman on Nov 2, 2016 16:07:37 GMT -5
The pick comes a year earlier than the comp pick would, and with more certainty. Collins has been playing poorly this year and they knew they weren't going to re-sign him. I don't hate the idea of a trade of Collins, but I think they should have held out for a (slightly) better pick. I think Cleveland gives up their regular third rounder for Collins at the end of the day. Not necessarily. The pick is a 2017 3rd round compensatory pick if the Browns get one (they are awarded closer to the draft). If they don't, it is a 2018 4th rounder. I believe they are expected to get one, but nothing is set in stone yet.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 2, 2016 16:22:13 GMT -5
The 2018 comp pick wouldn't have been set in stone either. Part of a formula that tries to determine net loss vs net gain in free
New England would have to tread carefully in free agency to get the pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 2, 2016 17:13:59 GMT -5
The 2018 comp pick wouldn't have been set in stone either. Part of a formula that tries to determine net loss vs net gain in free New England would have to tread carefully in free agency to get the pick. Not a worry for me. We have Sheard, Bennett, Cannon, Hightower, Vollmer, Blount, Ryan, Harmon, Branch, Long and Mingo as free agents. Sure we will sign some of them, but we are going to have a huge net negative when it comes to free agents and if you added Collins, no way your free agent signing would impact your free agent loss. Oh and I forgot Butler who is restricted. We should mainly be trying to resign our guys this offseason. We also usually don't dip into the elite free agent pool that cost 10 plus million a year.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 4, 2016 17:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 4, 2016 17:40:29 GMT -5
Not really that happend in offseason, same time they offered him 11 million a year. They knew that and still tried to sign him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 12, 2016 19:13:46 GMT -5
Not really that happend in offseason, same time they offered him 11 million a year. They knew that and still tried to sign him. Yeah, that says he doesn't like watching football. Doesn't mean he didn't put in time watching video he needed. I don't read legal treatises in my spare time. Doesn't mean I'm not a good attorney.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2016 14:28:53 GMT -5
Gronk is having back surgery. Out two months. Wow that hurts.
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Post by cwaaa on Dec 6, 2016 14:27:27 GMT -5
Don't look now but Patriots defense has allowed the second fewest points per game in the league. Like the whole NFL. Also top ten in yards allowed per game, which is awesome when you consider they have a top 10 offense. The trademark of this team heading into the season was depth, and it looks to be paying off.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 12, 2016 15:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 12, 2016 20:49:57 GMT -5
So if forward progress being stopped can prevent a QB fumble, then a QB pretty much cannot ever fumble. If they're playing the Pats anyway.
That sack of Flacco was absolutely a fumble.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 12, 2016 23:06:55 GMT -5
I'm absolutely done with useless Cyrus Jones.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 13, 2016 0:57:38 GMT -5
I'm absolutely done with useless Cyrus Jones. One of the man reasons he went so high, is that he was supposed to be an excellent returner, wow. I thought it was an over draft and it's looking that way.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2016 0:54:01 GMT -5
Michael Floyd just released by Cards after getting DUI. I'm a huge Notre Dame fan and he was just a beast while in College. I wonder if Pat's would take a gamble on him, with them needing WR depth.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2016 11:39:57 GMT -5
We always prognosticate the trades for the Sox, now we have a chance to do the same with the Pats. IMO Brady is still going to be good for a few years, he actually looks more athletic now than he did 10 years ago. Given that, the Pats should trade Garrapolo this offseason. So how much will they get for him? Keep in mind that the class of QB's coming out is pretty bad. I heard some foolish stuff about multiple 1st round picks when compared to past trades. Could they actually get the #1 pick from Cleveland, doubt it. But a pretty high #1 could be on the table.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 15, 2016 12:14:20 GMT -5
We always prognosticate the trades for the Sox, now we have a chance to do the same with the Pats. IMO Brady is still going to be good for a few years, he actually looks more athletic now than he did 10 years ago. Given that, the Pats should trade Garrapolo this offseason. So how much will they get for him? Keep in mind that the class of QB's coming out is pretty bad. I heard some foolish stuff about multiple 1st round picks when compared to past trades. Could they actually get the #1 pick from Cleveland, doubt it. But a pretty high #1 could be on the table. I doubt they could get the #1 pick, but keep in mind Cleveland also has the rights to the Eagle's 1st round pick currently projected to be the #9 pick overall. Cleveland is obviously in need of a QB and has some extra draft capital, so they could be a match even if they are unwilling to give up the #1 pick overall.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2016 12:23:45 GMT -5
We always prognosticate the trades for the Sox, now we have a chance to do the same with the Pats. IMO Brady is still going to be good for a few years, he actually looks more athletic now than he did 10 years ago. Given that, the Pats should trade Garrapolo this offseason. So how much will they get for him? Keep in mind that the class of QB's coming out is pretty bad. I heard some foolish stuff about multiple 1st round picks when compared to past trades. Could they actually get the #1 pick from Cleveland, doubt it. But a pretty high #1 could be on the table. I doubt they could get the #1 pick, but keep in mind Cleveland also has the rights to the Eagle's 1st round pick currently projected to be the #9 pick overall. Cleveland is obviously in need of a QB and has some extra draft capital, so they could be a match even if they are unwilling to give up the #1 pick overall. The #9 sounds perfect for the Pats and it would make sense for Cleveland also.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2016 15:05:41 GMT -5
Garrapolo is a goner, I'd say 90% chance. The #9 pick sure makes sense and would be about as good as we could do. That's worth more than two late first round picks. I just wonder if Cleveland is smart enough to make a trade like that.
Another idea might be switching 1st and 2nd round picks with Cleveland. They don't lose any picks, still get 2 first round picks. We get #9 pick and a very high second rounder, while losing a late first and a late second pick.
I would feel badly for Jimmy going to Cleveland though. That's were QBs go to die!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2016 17:25:12 GMT -5
Pat's have claimed Michael Floyd. I love this move. Now him and Brady just need to get on same page.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 15, 2016 17:37:29 GMT -5
Pat's have claimed Michael Floyd. I love this move. Now him and Brady just need to get on same page. I don't necessarily love it, but its fine as a depth move. Brady has really done well and improved with the likes of Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, and White since Gronk went down. I'd rather the team focus on that group than try to incorporate someone without knowledge of our playbook and in particular, someone who was passed out intoxicated at the wheel just recently.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2016 17:53:18 GMT -5
Pat's have claimed Michael Floyd. I love this move. Now him and Brady just need to get on same page. I don't necessarily love it, but its fine as a depth move. Brady has really done well and improved with the likes of Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, and White since Gronk went down. I'd rather the team focus on that group than try to incorporate someone without knowledge of our playbook and in particular, someone who was passed out intoxicated at the wheel just recently. He's our 4th WR, I don't expect anything more. You have to get him ready though because another injury to a wr and he's playing a decent sized role. Charlie was his coach at Notre Dame, so he should have a basic understanding of the playbook. He needs major help with his drinking, been a problem going back to College. Bill's the perfect coach for him though. He either comes in and changes or he won't last through the season.
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