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Post by telluricrook on Apr 10, 2017 10:22:55 GMT -5
Who does Dan Shaughnessy think he is? "Oh they should trade their picks. Im too old to see this team rebuild." And he was the same way with Dombrowski about prospects smh
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 10, 2017 21:31:20 GMT -5
Win against the Bucks and we are the motherbucking number 1 seed. Stevens the GOAT.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 11, 2017 6:33:10 GMT -5
53 wins for a conference champion is the lowest total since 2006-2007 when Detroit had 53. The conference was terrible that year. The 2009-10 Western Conference champ had 57 wins but the 8 seed had 50...
Point is getting the one seed is a nice accomplishment on paper but they didn't really win it as much as Cleveland gave it to them. Cleveland went on cruise control and played terrible basketball for a month because they didn't care, had a lot of health issues and were integrating new players. Then they came to Boston for a big game, tried and reminded themselves and everyone else that they were in control of everything. Then they probably watched the Hawks have their way with the Celtics and decided that the number 2 seed was just as good as the 1 seed for 2 reasons:
1. The Celtics, even with home court, will likely lose in the second round against either the Hawks, Raptors or Wizzards so the 2 seed becomes the 1 seed for the Conference Finals.
2. Even if the Celtics somehow made it to the Conference Finals, the Cavs will mop the floor with them at home or on the road so resting guys is clearly more important.
Oh right the Celtics still need to beat the Bucks which is no easy task for them.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 11, 2017 6:38:12 GMT -5
The best case scenario for the Celtics is getting Chicago or Miami round 1 (probably prefer Miami), then Washington round 2. If Atlanta beats Washington, it's going to be embarrassing to get beat up by the Hawks.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 11, 2017 6:41:22 GMT -5
Lebron isn't playing in the last game of the year either. Irving is doubtful too in their last game.
I don't agree completely with your post above me. I think the Celtics can beat both the Wizards and Hawks with home court in playoffs, probably not the Raptors if Lowrie is okay.
Yeah, they'll probably lose to the Cavs in the Conference finals but maybe the Celtics can steal a game or two at home now which is big in trying to show a free agent they potentially keep talking about coming here (the Celtics keep bringing up that they have room to add a max player this offseason) to convince them the Celtics are on the rise here. The Celtics want to show progress in the playoffs this year and probably want to be a real challenger for a title in the next couple of years after this one.
Just my take.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 11, 2017 6:54:28 GMT -5
Lebron isn't playing in the last game of the year either. Irving is doubtful too in their last game. I don't agree completely with your post above me. I think the Celtics can beat both the Wizards and Hawks with home court in playoffs, probably not the Raptors if Lowrie is okay. Yeah, they'll probably lose to the Cavs in the Conference finals but maybe the Celtics can steal a game or two at home now which is big in trying to show a free agent they potentially keep talking about coming here (the Celtics keep bringing up that they have room to add a max player this offseason) to convince them the Celtics are on the rise here. The Celtics want to show progress in the playoffs this year and probably want to be a real challenger for a title in the next couple of years after this one. Just my take. Agreed - the Raptors scare me way more than those other teams. But everyone in the East is pretty vulnerable with the exception of the Cavs. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 11, 2017 8:07:43 GMT -5
There is a difference between being able to beat those teams and being confident we will. As a one seed with home court, it should be upset city if we lost to either of those teams, but the Celtics aren't your typical one seed. They beat up on the weak and really struggle with good teams. Atlanta in particular is a bad matchup for us. Going into that series i would expect the Celtics to lose. Going into Washington I'd expect them to win because of home court.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 11, 2017 8:08:49 GMT -5
I do agree making an Eastern Conference Finals and making it go 6 would be huge. They've been lucky all year so let's hope the luck continues thru the playoffs and lottery.
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Post by digit on Apr 11, 2017 8:26:13 GMT -5
The Hawks make me sigh. It feels like we should handle them, but Millsap feels like he just eats everyone up in the inside and we don't rebound enough to stop them from getting extra chances. I expected better adjustments.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 11, 2017 8:41:44 GMT -5
We should win a series which will be great. Thing is playoff basketball is going to expose this teams flaws just like last year. Could we make the conference finals? Sure, I just wouldn't bet on it. When the conference finals role around the highlight for us with be the draft lottery, not us playing in games.
I just can't get over the fact we didn't make a move to get another big! LeBron is still the best overall player in league in my opinion. Thing is he's getting older and he just played the most minutes in a season since he was with Heat and in his 20's. I can see it catching up to him in conference finals if the Cavs don't just glide through playoffs like last year. I don't expect that to happen, as I just don't think they can flip a switch. Also the East is deeper and better than last year in my opinion.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 11, 2017 17:23:30 GMT -5
It feels weird being the glass half full guy, but it's worth reiterating the Celtics have a chance at the #1 or #2 pick in a year where they'll end up being the 1 or 2 seed in the East ... and we're under four years removed from them blowing it up and starting over. Sure, I would love to see them make some noise this year (who wouldn't?), but sometimes we really should enjoy the ride more than we do. Especially considering they're in position to be very good for 5+ years to come.
(They do need to win at least a series, though.)
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 12, 2017 4:54:23 GMT -5
It feels weird being the glass half full guy, but it's worth reiterating the Celtics have a chance at the #1 or #2 pick in a year where they'll end up being the 1 or 2 seed in the East ... and we're under four years removed from them blowing it up and starting over. Sure, I would love to see them make some noise this year (who wouldn't?), but sometimes we really should enjoy the ride more than we do. Especially considering they're in position to be very good for 5+ years to come. (They do need to win at least a series, though.) All very true but also they have next years likely top 5 pick along with 2 more first round picks from last year to add to the mix. I realize you guys all know this but just more reasons to be excited about the C's future. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2017 5:11:27 GMT -5
Last 2 cracks tonight to seal the number one seed today. First with a LeBron less Cavs, if they somehow win then the Celtics will play the Bucks without the Greek freak (in fact, they are resting all their starters). Hopefully it gets done one way or another because the Cavs would have to play Toronto if it does. The Celtics get to avoid one of the 3 best teams if they get to the Conference Finals. That's an ideal situation.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2017 8:20:04 GMT -5
It feels weird being the glass half full guy, but it's worth reiterating the Celtics have a chance at the #1 or #2 pick in a year where they'll end up being the 1 or 2 seed in the East ... and we're under four years removed from them blowing it up and starting over. Sure, I would love to see them make some noise this year (who wouldn't?), but sometimes we really should enjoy the ride more than we do. Especially considering they're in position to be very good for 5+ years to come. (They do need to win at least a series, though.) This has been my point of view all season (well minus the possible 1 seed thing). I'm very comfortable if they decide to build this next championship contending team thru the draft since we get to watch a mostly exciting team right now. Speaking of... I'm not sure I've ever watched a team that can be so exciting to watch one time and then so frustratingly incompetent (probably too strong a word but used for effect) the next. Actually, come to think of it if Kelly was more good KO than baby fawn awkwardly bad KO then he'd be the perfect symbol of the kind of team the Celtics are.... jkjk |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2017 20:52:02 GMT -5
Toronto is killing the Cavs... so the fact we are letting a crappy Bucks lineup hang around isn't as big a deal but still annoying
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2017 20:53:10 GMT -5
Kelly really need to work on his left hand - I'm tired of him driving left and shooting with his right hand
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 12, 2017 22:19:07 GMT -5
That 24-2 run was pretty epic, it felt like nothing but 3's and dunks. I know it was the Bucks backups, but you're dead inside if you weren't just a little bit pumped about that.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 13, 2017 1:01:25 GMT -5
Kelly really need to work on his left hand - I'm tired of him driving left and shooting with his right hand Tell me about it. Teams must know about it because they just giv him the left side all day! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 13, 2017 6:31:14 GMT -5
That 24-2 run was pretty epic, it felt like nothing but 3's and dunks. I know it was the Bucks backups, but you're dead inside if you weren't just a little bit pumped about that. It was nice... steal after steal |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 13, 2017 6:33:42 GMT -5
The Celtics better beat Chicago in 5 maybe 6...
Besides the Celtics winning, we kind of have to root for Washington right? We can't match up with Atlanta with Howard and Millisip
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 13, 2017 10:56:24 GMT -5
The Bulls are a good matchup. Without Gibson and Wade they are a different team and don't scare me at all. Gibson would always be a pain in our butts down low.
I would much rather face the Wiz, Atlanta scares me to death in second round.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 13, 2017 12:10:49 GMT -5
The Celtics would have drafted Malcolm Brogdon #31 or #35 but instead they made those picks for Memphis and traded them for some stupid future 1st rounder!
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Post by texs31 on Apr 13, 2017 15:08:48 GMT -5
If Boston had drafted Brogdon, he'd probably be a candidate for release (non-guaranteeing his salary for next year) as Boston tries to clear cap space.
He had an opportunity in Milwaukee that he, likely, never would've gotten in Boston. Under the circumstances, I'll take the pick.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 13, 2017 15:46:06 GMT -5
If Boston had drafted Brogdon, he'd probably be a candidate for release (non-guaranteeing his salary for next year) as Boston tries to clear cap space. He had an opportunity in Milwaukee that he, likely, never would've gotten in Boston. Under the circumstances, I'll take the pick. Try to clear cap space for who? They could have given him a 4 year deal like they did to D Jackson and released the other bums like they did to Ben Bentil. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 13, 2017 16:26:03 GMT -5
I mean this offseason.
I just don't think he would've ever gotten the minutes in Boston that he did in Milwaukee. So he would've been on the bench and/or in the D-League.
He obviously wouldn't have gotten time over Thomas, Bradley and Smart. Brown? Probably not. And he probably wouldn't have gotten a chance to show what he can do so likely not Rozier (who Boston loves and wanted to give a chance to) either. Green maybe but, remember, it's hard to win a spot in the rotation in practice (from outside the rotation). He got a chance in Milwaukee. Very likely wouldn't have in Boston.
So, as Boston looks to clear space this offseason, they'd likely release him (assuming that, like most 2nd rounders, he would've had a non or partial guarantee for next year) following the year (unless they gave him something like Jackson where the guaranteed portion is less than the roster charge).
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