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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 3, 2017 17:13:25 GMT -5
Brady isn't untouchable don't fool yourself
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 3, 2017 18:59:17 GMT -5
I don't know, I think Kraft would have a say in Tom being traded. Now if he has a season that shows he is regressing and BB thinks he has a better option then a conversation would be had. But I think Tom only gets traded if he wants to continue to play after BB thinks he is done and has a suitable replacement.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 3, 2017 21:55:40 GMT -5
Brady isn't untouchable don't fool yourself Really? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 3, 2017 22:00:59 GMT -5
Brady isn't untouchable don't fool yourself Really? I didn't say the price was reasonable |
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Post by costpet on Mar 4, 2017 8:46:27 GMT -5
I read a story years ago about Johnny Unitas. At the end of his career, he was traded to San Diego. The Colts at that time was a very good organization. Everything football and Johnny was their leader. So, when he got to the Chargers, he goes in at halftime and guys are lighting up joints! Johnny flipped out. That was his last year.
I can't imagine Tom on a different team. They certainly would not be doing things the way he was used to. He would probably get frustrated and just retire.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 4, 2017 9:34:01 GMT -5
I'd say there is a better chance that the Patriots decide when Tom is done playing for them than the other way around
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -5
I didn't say the price was reasonable The Patriots will not trade Brady. He has to be the most untouchable player in the league. Bill has complete power, but Brady is the one player he would need ownerships OK to trade and he won't get it. Mr. Kraft is not going to OK a Brady trade. I don't think even trader Bill would ever want to trade Brady. There will be no forcing Brady out so Jimmy can play! Brady will play as long as he's very good. When he declines like Manning he will call it a career. The Pat's are talking extension with Brady. I think that says it all. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 4, 2017 14:41:14 GMT -5
Tom will continue to accept extremely team friendly deals as long as the team gives him clear job security. I have a hard time believing Garoppolo doesn't want to cash in on his next deal. If the Patriots decide they want to give Jimmy the job next offseason and move on from Brady they'll be spending more, and that's definitely part of the consideration. I could see Jimmy taking a somewhat team friendly deal, but nothing like Brady would be willing to do. Jimmy can simply demand a monster deal or play the franchise tag game and earn a ton. Tom isn't going anywhere in the next few seasons barring significant injury.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 4, 2017 18:12:42 GMT -5
Brady won't be traded this off season for sure and I'm sure he won't be traded next off season either but I would not be surprise if Jimmy is his replacement however that plays out.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 4, 2017 18:41:40 GMT -5
Are they really extending Brady when he is under contract the next three years?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2017 19:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by dakotaskye on Mar 4, 2017 20:24:29 GMT -5
NFLtraderumors has a report that the Pats have offered the #32 overall pick for Brandin Cooks, but that the Saints are looking for a mid-first rounder.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 5, 2017 10:58:38 GMT -5
NFLtraderumors has a report that the Pats have offered the #32 overall pick for Brandin Cooks, but that the Saints are looking for a mid-first rounder. The report I saw is that the pats offer included a pick swap so they were looking for a pick back from them too. My guess is the pats were looking to trade down to the second round third at the lowest... I think going after a number 1 receiver is foolish. I don't know why we would trade for Cooks. I understand the UMass logic of wanting a true number 1 big target but that's not Cooks. He's like 5'10.. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 5, 2017 11:17:33 GMT -5
Just resign Floyd for cheap if you want a big receiving target at wide receiver.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2017 11:33:04 GMT -5
If the trade proposal for Cook is real it just goes to show you how difficult it is to figure BB out. Doesn't seem to be a need especially when thinking about the other position groups.
I agree with resigning Floyd, even over keeping Amendola.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 5, 2017 11:34:01 GMT -5
Hopefully he's not trying to load up offensively to prepare for a max defensive exodus
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 5, 2017 12:13:19 GMT -5
Yeah I really have no clue what Bill will do on defense if he doesn't trade Jimmy G.
I'm sure there will be some cheaper stop gaps and maybe a few trades but who knows who there names will be.
I agree with the sentiment of keeping Amendola no matter what. Don't take away Brady's favorite toys when Brady is finishing his joy ride in the NFL.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 5, 2017 13:08:09 GMT -5
By the way that comment wasn't me suggesting I thought their defense was going to be decimated. If I had to guess, I still think Branch and Hightower are back and I'm not ruling out one or both of Ryan and Harmon.
Butler will be here next year as well being a restricted free agent.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2017 16:19:40 GMT -5
NFLtraderumors has a report that the Pats have offered the #32 overall pick for Brandin Cooks, but that the Saints are looking for a mid-first rounder. The report I saw is that the pats offer included a pick swap so they were looking for a pick back from them too. My guess is the pats were looking to trade down to the second round third at the lowest... I think going after a number 1 receiver is foolish. I don't know why we would trade for Cooks. I understand the UMass logic of wanting a true number 1 big target but that's not Cooks. He's like 5'10.. I was thinking it was a late round pick like a 6th or 7th rounder, otherwise it makes no sense. Saints second round pick is # 42 and third rounder is # 76. Cooks is worth more than #32 alone, which is why Saints passed. While Cooks isn't your prototypical #1 WR, he is elite. Bill seems to really love him and he would be a huge upgrade. Makes me very happy that they are looking to add an elite WR. A lot of people think Brown is best WR in league and he's not big either. This just makes sense, as Brady gets older you should give him more weapons. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 5, 2017 16:58:40 GMT -5
It looks like it was a mid-round pick the Patriots were looking to get back, and that the Saints would only send a mid-round pick back if they got a higher pick in the first round. www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-saints-brandin-cooks-trade-rumor-first-round-pick-030517 (although that report may have come from a misreading of the original report: www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2017/03/patriots_among_teams_intereste.html)At any rate, it doesn't look like the Saints necessarily think he's worth more than #32 alone, if they're willing to do a pick swap for a mid-first pick. I don't know that the Patriots are necessarily seeking out an elite WR as much as they were kicking the tires on Cooks in case the Saints were really motivated to move him at a price the Patriots would be ok with. Anyway, that's the tough thing with reported trades that didn't happen - tough to know exactly what was up. It's not unlike the whole "the Red Sox refused to trade Devers for Sale" thing for me - it's true, but without the context of "... as the third player in the deal already including Moncada and Kopech," it means something entirely different than what actually happened. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 5, 2017 18:02:58 GMT -5
The report I saw is that the pats offer included a pick swap so they were looking for a pick back from them too. My guess is the pats were looking to trade down to the second round third at the lowest... I think going after a number 1 receiver is foolish. I don't know why we would trade for Cooks. I understand the UMass logic of wanting a true number 1 big target but that's not Cooks. He's like 5'10.. I was thinking it was a late round pick like a 6th or 7th rounder, otherwise it makes no sense. Saints second round pick is # 42 and third rounder is # 76. Cooks is worth more than #32 alone, which is why Saints passed. While Cooks isn't your prototypical #1 WR, he is elite. Bill seems to really love him and he would be a huge upgrade. Makes me very happy that they are looking to add an elite WR. A lot of people think Brown is best WR in league and he's not big either. This just makes sense, as Brady gets older you should give him more weapons. I feel it makes sense to have a better offensive line and defense. Which is why I'd be looking at a good combo tight end, center and defense. But I won't question the team he builds and would thoroughly enjoy a too WR just think it's lower importance but I don't know shit compared to Bill and there is more than one way to skin a cat |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2017 18:42:31 GMT -5
Those reports make it very clear that pick #32 isn't enough. Not sure how you read them and think it's not clear pick #32 isn't enough. They say exactly that, pick #32 isn't enough. Saints want mid first round pick. The value of a mid first round pick, while sending out a mid round pick, is still a lot more than pick #32.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 5, 2017 22:51:22 GMT -5
Those reports make it very clear that pick #32 isn't enough. Not sure how you read them and think it's not clear pick #32 isn't enough. They say exactly that, pick #32 isn't enough. Saints want mid first round pick. The value of a mid first round pick, while sending out a mid round pick, is still a lot more than pick #32. Because the reports say pick 32 isn't enough if the Saints are also sending a mid-round pick out? I mean, let's be honest, you're probably right that the mid-round pick part doesn't REALLY matter, but the reports don't actually say that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2017 23:20:00 GMT -5
Those reports make it very clear that pick #32 isn't enough. Not sure how you read them and think it's not clear pick #32 isn't enough. They say exactly that, pick #32 isn't enough. Saints want mid first round pick. The value of a mid first round pick, while sending out a mid round pick, is still a lot more than pick #32. Because the reports say pick 32 isn't enough if the Saints are also sending a mid-round pick out? I mean, let's be honest, you're probably right that the mid-round pick part doesn't REALLY matter, but the reports don't actually say that. No it says they want mid first round pick, then 32 pick wasn't enough. Then it says in original article the offer would have had Saints sending back mid round pick, which they would only do if they get a better pick. I.E. the mid round pick they want. It wasn't the mid round pick holding up the trade, it's that per two sources they want a mid first round pick to trade him. For me this is just Bill offering a deal hoping Saints counter we'll do deal, but we're not giving you a pick. Instead he got pick #32 just isn't enough. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 6, 2017 7:05:25 GMT -5
Cleveland has a chance to set itself for years. They have a lot of holes to fill, the most important is quarterback. In this year's draft, they have 11 picks.
2 1s
2 2s
1 3
2 4s
3 5s
1 6
If I'm their general manager, I'd look at this: If I gave the Pats a 1 and a 2 for Jimmy G., I would have my franchise QB plus 9 more picks to fill in my holes. They would be set for years. It would probably be their last opportunity to grab such a haul. They could be a contender for years. Which is more important? A stud DE or a great QB? It would be a smart move by the Browns and a great draft for the Pats. Win win
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