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Post by ramireja on May 2, 2017 17:55:38 GMT -5
The initial response after the draft was that the Patriots chose not to take advantage of a "deep draft" after having made only 4 picks. Once again, the Pats stay ahead of the curve. They very much took advantage of a deep draft by packaging some picks to move up and select nice value players in Garcia and McDermott, while paying several UDFAs like 6th and 7th rounders to have an advantage in that market. Well done.
It will be interesting to see how many of these guys can stick around either on the 53 man roster or the practice squad. I'm particularly intrigued by Langi battling for LB5, Hollister battling for the TE3 spot, Carr battling for WR5-6, Killings battling for CB5-6, and S is kind of wide open after Harmon so several guys have a shot there to contribute.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2017 17:59:11 GMT -5
The other way they took
Advantage of the perceived deep draft was by getting teams to give up great established value for draft picks
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 2, 2017 23:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 2, 2017 23:56:49 GMT -5
The talking-heads certainly made a lot of noise about the Patriots' draft, or lack of it. The scouts saw it differently. The talk is that the draft could easily have gone another three rounds. The team is already loaded, so rather than trade for higher picks, they worked it at the back end and just kept on going right into the pile of undrafted players. San Francisco is right there with them picking off talent.
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Post by digit on May 3, 2017 9:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 9, 2017 16:42:39 GMT -5
NFL network listed Blount as the 80th best player in the NFL... my god that's insanely laughable.
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Post by digit on May 10, 2017 8:29:35 GMT -5
You have to remember, some people think he's an elite short-yardage back.
And yet here it is, past the compensatory cutoff date and he -still- isn't signed, meaning he didn't even get the Patriots a comp pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2017 9:25:48 GMT -5
How soon we forget that Patriots had an offer out to Blount for him to return, but he wanted more money. So we moved on, it's not like we didn't want him back. He just wants too much money. At some point he will accept less then he wants and get signed by a team.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 9:32:13 GMT -5
How soon we forget that Patriots had an offer out to Blount for him to return, but he wanted more money. So we moved on, it's not like we didn't want him back. He just wants too much money. At some point he will accept less then he wants and get signed by a team. Don't you think it's fair to speculate that they had an offer for him that was less than they gave either Burkehead or Gillisley? I find it hard to believe Blount would turn down doubling his salary to return to a team he loved playing for considering he had no market. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 10, 2017 9:35:25 GMT -5
How soon we forget that Patriots had an offer out to Blount for him to return, but he wanted more money. So we moved on, it's not like we didn't want him back. He just wants too much money. At some point he will accept less then he wants and get signed by a team. I wonder if the league will be (or is now) wary of offering Patriots players the money they might get if they weren't Patriots considering they seem to get a lot more out of players than other teams do. That would help them keep their players. Getting more out of players than other teams can is such a huge competitive advantage. We saw what Blount did in Pittsburgh after seeing what he did before and after with the Pats. Hard to think that any team will give Blount much of a contract because of that. Similar thing happened with Chung. He wasn't even playable shortly after he signed with the Eagles. I don't think any other team in the league could get anything out of him. He's awful in coverage, but somehow they keep him sheltered from exposure. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 10:47:44 GMT -5
This team can certainly make guy's like Blount look a lot better than they are at times. I don't want to repeat the Blount discussion so I'll leave it at that.
Other teams are stupid though do I don't know how much they will learn if anything.
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Post by digit on May 10, 2017 11:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on May 10, 2017 11:42:59 GMT -5
Chung was awful in zone coverage, but he's OK in man and always has been. In his first stint with the team, there was a period of time where he was their primary slot guy in man coverage.
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Post by digit on May 10, 2017 11:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 11:54:29 GMT -5
The NFL and the Patriots especially are evolving into more of a 3 safety set with a safety replacing a linebacker. It's why they paid Harmon and it's probably why they are comfortable with their relative lack of LB depth. Although if Hightower goes down for any length of time they may be in some trouble.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2017 12:09:37 GMT -5
How soon we forget that Patriots had an offer out to Blount for him to return, but he wanted more money. So we moved on, it's not like we didn't want him back. He just wants too much money. At some point he will accept less then he wants and get signed by a team. Don't you think it's fair to speculate that they had an offer for him that was less than they gave either Burkehead or Gillisley? I find it hard to believe Blount would turn down doubling his salary to return to a team he loved playing for considering he had no market. Blount wants to get paid. He has made that clear from the very beginning. You can speculate all you want. It's certainly not crazy. The thing is they went after Blount first, not Gillislee. I don't find it hard to believe that Blount wanted more than double what he made last year. Not at all. He seems to totally misread the market or his agent did. Now this is just my opinion, but I get the sense that Blount looked at what he's been paid the last few years and the production he has had. I get the feeling he thinks he deserves more money. In his mind he just had 18 TDs for the Superbowl champions and has been underpaid for years. It also didn't help him that the draft was just loaded with good RBs. In the end he'll sign somewhere but for a lot less than he wanted and most likely less than Patriots offered. He let his ego get in the way of business, which knowing Blount isn't a surprise. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 13:27:51 GMT -5
Yea I think it's fair to say that the Patriots likely would have been happy with or preferred Blount at 1.5m and their 5th rd pick over Gillisley at 4m (this year) and no pick. That however doesn't imply they like Blount the player better than Gillisley the player. I would be shocked if they did.
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Post by digit on May 10, 2017 13:59:48 GMT -5
The NFL and the Patriots especially are evolving into more of a 3 safety set with a safety replacing a linebacker. It's why they paid Harmon and it's probably why they are comfortable with their relative lack of LB depth. Although if Hightower goes down for any length of time they may be in some trouble. The Patriots have for some time been trying to do the three-safety set, which is why they've been drafting 2nd round safeties since nearly forever... and I think it's mostly because Belichick, in order to defend his own offense in practice, had been playing with the 'Big Nickel'. Note as far back as 2012: boston.cbslocal.com/2012/05/21/how-bill-belichicks-creative-offensive-system-is-changing-the-nfl/ |
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Post by digit on May 10, 2017 14:20:51 GMT -5
Yea I think it's fair to say that the Patriots likely would have been happy with or preferred Blount at 1.5m and their 5th rd pick over Gillisley at 4m (this year) and no pick. That however doesn't imply they like Blount the player better than Gillisley the player. I would be shocked if they did. Apparently the Patriots didn't want Blount at 1.5 million. They do, apparently, still want him at 1.1 million. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/10/patriots-made-may-9-tender-offer-to-legarrette-blount/Hell of a strange, obscure tender rule. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 14:22:30 GMT -5
Pretty interesting
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 14:24:24 GMT -5
By the way I don't think they want him back, I just think they want the possible compensatory pick and the ability to control him if necessary. I'd like to know if that money is guaranteed if he signed it.
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Post by digit on May 10, 2017 14:39:38 GMT -5
I'd like to know too - I didn't even think you could tender an unrestricted free agent.
Still, that's a pretty clever way of getting a comp pick, and I suspect the reason it's not done more often is because the unrestricted free agent's salary being increased at 110 percent is usually a lot more money than one would want to pay someone who's not signed by the deadline.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 18:54:21 GMT -5
I'd like to know too - I didn't even think you could tender an unrestricted free agent. Still, that's a pretty clever way of getting a comp pick, and I suspect the reason it's not done more often is because the unrestricted free agent's salary being increased at 110 percent is usually a lot more money than one would want to pay someone who's not signed by the deadline. It also wouldn't surprise me if other teams just weren't on top of this obscure rule. I think I you are right but I think ignorance maybe another piece of it. The league will probably change the rule if the Pats get a pick out of it... ha |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2017 8:38:26 GMT -5
Where did you hear the Patriots offer was 1.5 million to Blount?
As to tendering him, it's a unique situation. How many players are unsigned this time of year that won't accept the tender? Not many.
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Post by texs31 on May 11, 2017 9:16:39 GMT -5
If I follow PatsCap correctly, the money isn't guaranteed until the 1st game. That being said, after July (can't remember the exact date) he can ONLY play for the Pats.
So it may come down to whether or not he can:
A. Get ANY guaranteed money from another team
B. Even if no guarantee, get a situation where he has a better chance of earning a roster spot.
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