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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2017 16:32:21 GMT -5
Sure you don't now what level of interest they had, but they obviously like something about him. It also made a ton of sense, a hard hitting SS with balls skills. When it comes to Patriots it's about the only thing you have to go by. The other thing we have to go by is that they knew who was available to draft and decided to trade for O'Shaugnassy instead. It seems like you're mildly criticizing them for going against what you think they wanted. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 29, 2017 16:34:23 GMT -5
Wasn't the trade before they were on the clock tho?
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Post by texs31 on Apr 29, 2017 16:45:43 GMT -5
Interesting factoid (ok, I'll leave it up to you to decide if it's interesting): McDermott is less than 2 months younger than Cam Flemming.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 30, 2017 7:40:53 GMT -5
UDFA's:
Josh Augusta, DT, NT, Missouri
Adam Butler, DT, Vanderbilt
Austin Carr, WR, Northwestern
Cole Croston, OT, Iowa
Cody Hollister, WR, Arkansas
Jacob Hollister, TE, Wyoming
David Jones, FS, Richmond
LeShun Daniels Jr., RB, Iowa
D.J. Killings, CB, Central Florida
Jason King, OG, Purdue
Harvey Langi, ILB, Brigham Young
Cameron Lee, OG, Illinois State
Kenny Moore, CB, Valdosta State
Jason Thompson, S, Utah
Jon Toth, C, Kentucky
Corey Vereen, DE, Tennessee
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2017 8:32:03 GMT -5
A little surprised that local kid that went to UNH isn't there
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2017 14:51:18 GMT -5
This is sort of Patriots related but the Bills GM and entire scouting staff has been fired.
Geeze, I wonder if this has anything to do with letting all their good free agents and their restricted free agents walk to the Patriots because they're in cap jail?
This organization is the funniest one to watch fall apart. Every single move up and down the entire organization has been a train wreck for at least 4-5 years now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2017 22:00:05 GMT -5
Sure you don't now what level of interest they had, but they obviously like something about him. It also made a ton of sense, a hard hitting SS with balls skills. When it comes to Patriots it's about the only thing you have to go by. The other thing we have to go by is that they knew who was available to draft and decided to trade for O'Shaugnassy instead. It seems like you're mildly criticizing them for going against what you think they wanted. How did we know? They traded the pick well before they were even close to making the pick. At the same time he needs to show more than he's good at special teams. Undrafted free agents can be great at special teams. How good of a TE is he? We have a need for a TE that can actually catch the ball. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2017 22:02:10 GMT -5
UDFA's: Josh Augusta, DT, NT, Missouri Adam Butler, DT, Vanderbilt Austin Carr, WR, Northwestern Cole Croston, OT, Iowa Cody Hollister, WR, Arkansas Jacob Hollister, TE, Wyoming David Jones, FS, Richmond LeShun Daniels Jr., RB, Iowa D.J. Killings, CB, Central Florida Jason King, OG, Purdue Harvey Langi, ILB, Brigham Young Cameron Lee, OG, Illinois State Kenny Moore, CB, Valdosta State Jason Thompson, S, Utah Jon Toth, C, Kentucky Corey Vereen, DE, Tennessee Jon Toth is listed as still unsigned, when did he sign? |
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Post by ramireja on Apr 30, 2017 22:05:37 GMT -5
UDFA's: Josh Augusta, DT, NT, Missouri Adam Butler, DT, Vanderbilt Austin Carr, WR, Northwestern Cole Croston, OT, Iowa Cody Hollister, WR, Arkansas Jacob Hollister, TE, Wyoming David Jones, FS, Richmond LeShun Daniels Jr., RB, Iowa D.J. Killings, CB, Central Florida Jason King, OG, Purdue Harvey Langi, ILB, Brigham Young Cameron Lee, OG, Illinois State Kenny Moore, CB, Valdosta State Jason Thompson, S, Utah Jon Toth, C, KentuckyCorey Vereen, DE, Tennessee I think Toth remains unsigned. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 1, 2017 6:33:06 GMT -5
The other thing we have to go by is that they knew who was available to draft and decided to trade for O'Shaugnassy instead. It seems like you're mildly criticizing them for going against what you think they wanted. How did we know? They traded the pick well before they were even close to making the pick. At the same time he needs to show more than he's good at special teams. Undrafted free agents can be great at special teams. How good of a TE is he? We have a need for a TE that can actually catch the ball. My understanding is this is another example Of a guy the Patriots wanted two years ago and the Chiefs picked him first. I believe he's a receiving tight end more than an inline guy. He's supposed to be a matchup problem move tight end. The guys young still has 2 years on his rookie deal and will stay cheap. I have no issues giving up a 5th for a guy if he can be a core type special teams player and provide a receiving depth option at Tight End. Considering the way the team is constructed he may be taking the Mingo spot on special teams units and doing that with a third tight end may allow them to use a guy as a backup differently some place else. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 1, 2017 6:34:29 GMT -5
Special teams players aren't all created equal. You need guys who can play all different spots on special teams. Can't all be smaller gunners, etc. When guys at one position can play special teams it means a guy at another position may not need to.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 1, 2017 8:35:23 GMT -5
How did we know? They traded the pick well before they were even close to making the pick. At the same time he needs to show more than he's good at special teams. Undrafted free agents can be great at special teams. How good of a TE is he? We have a need for a TE that can actually catch the ball. My understanding is this is another example Of a guy the Patriots wanted two years ago and the Chiefs picked him first. I believe he's a receiving tight end more than an inline guy. He's supposed to be a matchup problem move tight end. The guys young still has 2 years on his rookie deal and will stay cheap. I have no issues giving up a 5th for a guy if he can be a core type special teams player and provide a receiving depth option at Tight End. Considering the way the team is constructed he may be taking the Mingo spot on special teams units and doing that with a third tight end may allow them to use a guy as a backup differently some place else. As long as he can catch the ball and be a receiving TE then it should be a good move. I just see our 3rd TE playing a good amount this year with Gronk and Allens injury issues. That's why we need a guy that can catch, more than a special team stud. If he can do both great! |
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Post by jmei on May 1, 2017 11:54:09 GMT -5
If one of Gronkowski or Allen is injured, I see them going to more three-receiver sets as opposed to playing O'Shaugnassy (or another third tight end). Between Cooks, Edelman, Hogan, Amendola and Mitchell, that third WR is almost certainly going to be a better option than the next man up at TE.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 1, 2017 12:28:30 GMT -5
The issue is if they both get injured and theres a fairly high chance that could happen.
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Post by Coreno on May 1, 2017 18:01:33 GMT -5
Really? I understand Gronk has a decent injury history, but outside of a season ending hip injury in 2013, Allen has had pretty good attendance in Indy. TE is actually a pretty crowded position for this team, with about 4 guys who could probably be a pretty capable 3rd TE.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 1, 2017 18:31:53 GMT -5
Do either Lengel or Williams have practice squad eligibility? Even if not they are probably Street free agents they can own.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 1, 2017 18:37:19 GMT -5
I'm really interested on who they carry on their offensive line depth chart this year. How many do they carry on the 53 man roster?
The UCLA kid should probably go on the practice squad. Hopefully, they can get him there without losing him. He's really raw. Fleming was the swing tackle this past season and the sixth offensive lineman on jumbo packages... is he cut or do they carry 8?
Starting 5:
Solder
Thuney
Andrews
Mason
Cannon
Backups:
Karras (interior)
Garcia (Tackle)
Bubble:
Flemming
Wendel
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Post by digit on May 1, 2017 19:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 1, 2017 20:51:35 GMT -5
Really? I understand Gronk has a decent injury history, but outside of a season ending hip injury in 2013, Allen has had pretty good attendance in Indy. TE is actually a pretty crowded position for this team, with about 4 guys who could probably be a pretty capable 3rd TE. He missed 15 games in 2013, 3 games in 2014, 3 games in 2015 and 2 games last year. He's played in 16 games once in his career, his rookie season in 2012. We have a bunch of players, not sure we have great depth. Do you feel great about any of those guys being your #1 TE for a couple games next year? What about in a playoff game? If the new guy can catch we'll be Ok. The fact they traded for him shows they thought we needed more depth. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 1, 2017 21:01:17 GMT -5
I'm really interested on who they carry on their offensive line depth chart this year. How many do they carry on the 53 man roster? The UCLA kid should probably go on the practice squad. Hopefully, they can get him there without losing him. He's really raw. Fleming was the swing tackle this past season and the sixth offensive lineman on jumbo packages... is he cut or do they carry 8? Starting 5: Solder Thuney Andrews Mason Cannon Backups: Karras (interior) Garcia (Tackle) Bubble: Flemming Wendel All depends how ready Garcia is, would think Flemming has an uphill battle to make team. Wouldn't shock me either way. I would think the plan is to get McDermott to practice squad. The thing is does he make it? Teams love to claim our players, seems like we lose one every year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 1, 2017 21:10:47 GMT -5
I agree 100% Langi is the guy I think is most likely to make team right now. They really like him, he is very versatile and we have a need. You can't overlook Hollister the TE, $90,000 is a lot of money. They have to really like him. At worst he seems like a strong candidate for the practice squad. |
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Post by texs31 on May 2, 2017 7:46:14 GMT -5
Just seems strange when Ed Werder, who is so prominent during the draft, is let go the day before that. It's not telling in anyway. Nothing going on. Just weird. Joe McDonald was let go too. I like him for hockey. It's coming out now that ESPN, after firing Werder, actually asked him to cover the draft (from the Saints perspective). Sounds like someone didn't think the timing through. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2017 8:50:56 GMT -5
Sounds like Hollister is the receiving TE depth. From footballguys.com:
Source: ESPNBoston.com - Mike Reiss
Undrafted free-agent TE Jacob Hollister (Wyoming) received a $10,000 signing bonus and a $80,000 guaranteed base salary upon signing with the New England Patriots.
[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]
Hollister is an interesting move tight end to keep an eye on...especially in New England. He's a good route runner and a deep threat. Hollister tracks passes well over his shoulder and does a good job of securing passes after the catch. He's not much of a blocker, but he is certainly a weapon the Patriots could develop. We're excited by his addition in super deep dynasty leagues.
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Post by digit on May 2, 2017 14:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2017 17:30:50 GMT -5
It's smart because it doesn't cost them any salary cap space |
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