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Where are they now?: The former Sox thread
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 4, 2020 23:03:28 GMT -5
Also 3B Cody Asche, most recently of the Twins.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 4, 2020 23:11:05 GMT -5
Dammit I saw him earlier too. Well played.
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Post by slam761 on Nov 5, 2020 1:16:41 GMT -5
That’s weird to me, wouldn’t he have value because of his 3 million dollar contract? Isn’t that option the reason the Sox were able to get so much? If they do decline the option I would gladly welcome him back with open arms I would gladly take Mitch back for an actual backup role, but if we're talking about a straight platoon with Dalbec or something, hell no.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 5, 2020 7:23:17 GMT -5
Ken Gurnick@ kengurnick · 11h Dodgers move LHP David Price from restricted list to 40-man roster, a procedural move that is not an indication whether he will pitch in 2021.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2020 9:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Dec 3, 2020 19:31:16 GMT -5
Sam Travis signing a minor league deal with the Mariners. Link
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2020 5:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by jl1947 on Dec 7, 2020 13:24:21 GMT -5
Erick Rodríguez @erickenelgate · 1h Rogelio Moret, otrora destacado lanzador zurdo de los Cangrejeros de Santurce y los Medias Rojas de Boston, fallece a los 71 años. thegondol.com/.../fallece-a-los-71-anos-rogelio.../…Image RIP Roger Moret: Former Red Sox player Roger Moret is dead at 71.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 7, 2020 13:25:42 GMT -5
Erick Rodríguez @erickenelgate · 1h Rogelio Moret, otrora destacado lanzador zurdo de los Cangrejeros de Santurce y los Medias Rojas de Boston, fallece a los 71 años. thegondol.com/.../fallece-a-los-71-anos-rogelio.../…Image RIP Roger Moret: Former Red Sox player Roger Moret is dead at 71. That's a shame. He was damn good for the Red Sox in 1974 and 1975.
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Post by jl1947 on Dec 7, 2020 13:36:40 GMT -5
Erick Rodríguez @erickenelgate · 1h Rogelio Moret, otrora destacado lanzador zurdo de los Cangrejeros de Santurce y los Medias Rojas de Boston, fallece a los 71 años. thegondol.com/.../fallece-a-los-71-anos-rogelio.../…Image RIP Roger Moret: Former Red Sox player Roger Moret is dead at 71. That's a shame. He was damn good for the Red Sox in 1974 and 1975. A very good, skinny left-handed pitching (reverse side and skinnier than Oil Can Boyd) prospect with very good stuff who was a very good pitcher for a couple years and, unfortunately had a short Red Sox career. Pitched a lot of innings year-round in the minors/majors and winter league early on, and probable should have had his workload monitored because of his skinny frame and effort in delivery.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 7, 2020 23:44:07 GMT -5
That's a shame. He was damn good for the Red Sox in 1974 and 1975. A very good, skinny left-handed pitching (reverse side and skinnier than Oil Can Boyd) prospect with very good stuff who was a very good pitcher for a couple years and, unfortunately had a short Red Sox career. Pitched a lot of innings year-round in the minors/majors and winter league early on, and probable should have had his workload monitored because of his skinny frame and effort in delivery. I always liked him as a guy who was very good with obvious upside to be great.
From '73 to '75 he averaged 17 starts and 13 relief appearances, for 158 IP and 2.0 bWAR per season. He also went 36-15 in the days when people paid attention to W/L records, and actually led MLB in '75 with a 14-3.
I had forgotten this: he was the winning pitcher in game 2 of the '75 ALCS. In the WS he had a rough outing in game 3 but later retired the Reds 1-2-3 and then became a great trivia question answer: who did Bernie Carbo pinch-hit for in game 6?
He was traded to Atlanta for Tom House, an elite LHR who was completely unhittable in ST of '76 and then was below replacement level in a year and a fraction. House is of course better known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th HR and for pioneering the application of biomechanics to pitching.
The Braves sent Moret to the Rangers a year later as part of a big trade for Jeff Burroughs.
In his second year with the Rangers, '78, he went into a catatonic state in front of his locker, holding a slipper out, before a scheduled April 12 start. After 90 minutes they sedated him up brought him to a psychiatric hospital, where he stayed for 2 to 3 weeks. He pitched very little in MLB after that. There was a possible harbinger of mental struggles in August of '75 when he got into a car crash (which unlike this incident I had forgotten), and which seems to have made the Sox skeptical (correctly, as it turns out) about his future.
What I also just learned is that he subsequently pitched for years for Santurce of the PR league, had what seems to have been a nice life down there, and even came to Fenway and signed autographs in 2014. R.I.P.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2020 0:56:16 GMT -5
A very good, skinny left-handed pitching (reverse side and skinnier than Oil Can Boyd) prospect with very good stuff who was a very good pitcher for a couple years and, unfortunately had a short Red Sox career. Pitched a lot of innings year-round in the minors/majors and winter league early on, and probable should have had his workload monitored because of his skinny frame and effort in delivery. I always liked him as a guy who was very good with obvious upside to be great.
From '73 to '75 he averaged 17 starts and 13 relief appearances, for 158 IP and 2.0 bWAR per season. He also went 36-15 in the days when people paid attention to W/L records, and actually led MLB in '75 with a 14-3. I had forgotten this: he was the winning pitcher in game 2 of the '75 ALCS. In the WS he had a rough outing in game 3 but later retired the Reds 1-2-3 and then became a great trivia question answer: who did Bernie Carbo pinch-hit for in game 6? He was traded to Atlanta for Tom House, an elite LHR who was completely unhittable in ST of '76 and then was below replacement level in a year and a fraction. House is of course better known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th HR and for pioneering the application of biomechanics to pitching. The Braves sent Moret to the Rangers a year later as part of a big trade for Jeff Burroughs. In his second year with the Rangers, '78, he went into a catatonic state in front of his locker, holding a slipper out, before a scheduled April 12 start. After 90 minutes they sedated him up brought him to a psychiatric hospital, where he stayed for 2 to 3 weeks. He pitched very little in MLB after that. There was a possible harbinger of mental struggles in August of '75 when he got into a car crash (which unlike this incident I had forgotten), and which seems to have made the Sox skeptical (correctly, as it turns out) about his future.
What I also just learned is that he subsequently pitched for years for Santurce of the PR league, had what seems to have been a nice life down there, and even came to Fenway and signed autographs in 2014. R.I.P.
I was wondering about that "catatonic" episode. It was referenced (incorrectly) in the movie Fever Pitch. Except they had him going catatonic on the mound while pitching for the Sox, which didn't sound right to me. I believe in his book (if my memory is correct), "The Wrong Stuff", that Bill Lee said that Moret was referred to as "Wrong Way". And he referenced that accident saying that Moret nodded off while driving and miraculously survived. Unfortunately for the Red Sox, Moret was ineffective in Game 7 of the World Series. When Bill Lee's blister popped in the 7th inning after a one out walk, Moret allowed the tying run to score. I believe he gave up the game tying hit to Pete Rose. Had he gotten him out. Maybe the Sox would have prevailed in the 1975 World Series.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 8, 2020 1:14:00 GMT -5
I always liked him as a guy who was very good with obvious upside to be great.
From '73 to '75 he averaged 17 starts and 13 relief appearances, for 158 IP and 2.0 bWAR per season. He also went 36-15 in the days when people paid attention to W/L records, and actually led MLB in '75 with a 14-3. I had forgotten this: he was the winning pitcher in game 2 of the '75 ALCS. In the WS he had a rough outing in game 3 but later retired the Reds 1-2-3 and then became a great trivia question answer: who did Bernie Carbo pinch-hit for in game 6? He was traded to Atlanta for Tom House, an elite LHR who was completely unhittable in ST of '76 and then was below replacement level in a year and a fraction. House is of course better known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th HR and for pioneering the application of biomechanics to pitching. The Braves sent Moret to the Rangers a year later as part of a big trade for Jeff Burroughs. In his second year with the Rangers, '78, he went into a catatonic state in front of his locker, holding a slipper out, before a scheduled April 12 start. After 90 minutes they sedated him up brought him to a psychiatric hospital, where he stayed for 2 to 3 weeks. He pitched very little in MLB after that. There was a possible harbinger of mental struggles in August of '75 when he got into a car crash (which unlike this incident I had forgotten), and which seems to have made the Sox skeptical (correctly, as it turns out) about his future.
What I also just learned is that he subsequently pitched for years for Santurce of the PR league, had what seems to have been a nice life down there, and even came to Fenway and signed autographs in 2014. R.I.P.
I was wondering about that "catatonic" episode. It was referenced (incorrectly) in the movie Fever Pitch. Except they had him going catatonic on the mound while pitching for the Sox, which didn't sound right to me. I believe in his book (if my memory is correct), "The Wrong Stuff", that Bill Lee said that Moret was referred to as "Wrong Way". And he referenced that accident saying that Moret nodded off while driving and miraculously survived. Unfortunately for the Red Sox, Moret was ineffective in Game 7 of the World Series. When Bill Lee's blister popped in the 7th inning after a one out walk, Moret allowed the tying run to score. I believe he gave up the game tying hit to Pete Rose. Had he gotten him out. Maybe the Sox would have prevailed in the 1975 World Series. Yeah, he came in and got Cesar Geronimo to pop to SS, then allowed Ken Griffey to steal 2B. But the killer was that he was in the process of walking the #9 hitter, pinch-hitter Ed Armbrister, on a 3-2 count. That's why he had to face Rose.
I'd forgotten all that, even though I was there. Somewhere I have my scorecard of that game which might indicate how solid the Rose hit was.
They left him in to walk Joe Morgan, then yanked him. It took 2 pitches for the next guy to get Johnny Bench to foul out to the catcher ... and 7 pitches the next inning to get Perez, Foster, and Concepcion, none of whom got the ball out of the infield.
So he's the answer to another trivia question: who was the guy Jim Willoughby relieved in game 7?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 10, 2020 21:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 21, 2020 15:46:37 GMT -5
We hardly knew ye Tom!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 21, 2020 18:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 21, 2020 20:10:07 GMT -5
Andrew Schwaab signed with the Dodgers
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 23, 2020 10:37:39 GMT -5
Raul Alcantara won the KBO version of the Cy Young: Alcantara signed with Hanshin in NPB. Moving up without coming all the way back stateside.
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Post by geostorm on Dec 24, 2020 19:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Dec 27, 2020 14:23:47 GMT -5
I hope Dice-K can squeeze out a good year. I might be in the minority, but I liked him. He had a few really good years that didn’t seem quite as good because watching him could be painful. But I appreciate him. I’d give a lot to get ‘07-08 Dice-K back!
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Post by cdj on Dec 27, 2020 14:32:54 GMT -5
Had the most painful 18-3 with a 2.90 ERA season I’ve ever witnessed. Relative to what we had this year I really like him lol
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 27, 2020 14:34:53 GMT -5
Had the most painful 18-3 with a 2.90 ERA season I’ve ever witnessed. Relative to what we had this year I really like him lol I'm still waiting for his "gyroball". Never did see it. Only saw a bunch of long counts. He was at his absolute best in the opener of the 2008 ALCS when he pitched shutout ball against the Rays.
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Post by rasimon on Dec 28, 2020 8:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 3, 2021 10:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jan 3, 2021 11:30:01 GMT -5
Old enough to remember when the Red Sox starting pitching sucked to start 2019 and some fans thought it was because Leon didn’t initially make the team lol They found out in the middle of the year that wasn’t the reason and it was because Sox pitchers were center-cutting the plate every other pitch. Turns out it doesn’t matter who catches when you do that! Good times good times
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