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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 12:19:22 GMT -5
Why Smith and Not Thornburg? Thornburg would be fine IF I didn't believe he has some serious issues. On Farrell reports Tyler is sometimes throwing up to 120 feet without much carry. Hmmm...he can on some days throw a distance of home to second.... He has been on the shelf for 3 months and this is his 'progress'? Something is wrong IMO notwithstanding MRI findings. Shoulders are always the worst problems with pitchers. They always take longer to heal and recover from. They are the death of pitchers and end careers if it's serious enough. Once you hear shoulder, you just can't put a timetable on their return. You just don't know.
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Post by soxjim on May 14, 2017 12:28:00 GMT -5
Per pitch/fx Joe Kelly is throwing 4 pitches (4FB, 2FB, SL, CU) fairly evenly (between 17 and 33% of the time). Per statcast Joe Kelly has thrown the hardest pitch of the season (102.2 mph) and has the highest average velocity (for an individual pitch type) so far this season (99.1 mph) Why is possibly the hardest thrower in baseball throwing 4 different pitches out of the bullpen? Because hitters aren't challenged by his straightball fastball? My opinion: One of the reasons why Kelly hasn't been effective despite the stuff is that his control hasn't been good enough to get ahead of hitters. He'd then try to get out of the hole by overpowering them, but without the command that requires. Don't fool yourself. Featuring hard stuff over the middle of the plate, even at 97+, isn't going to work against major league hitters. Kelly has been a poster child for that mantra. It looks to me as if he's sequencing his pitches much more effectively, for whatever reason, perhaps from working with the coaches and the catchers. The wipeout slider sets up the high hard stuff nicely. Add in the curveball and he can freeze batters in their tracks. It's never been about his stuff which can be mind-boggling. Its been about pitching, not just throwing. I can't tell which pitches are prime or not for many players such as Kelly (ofc I can with Kimbrel/Chapman etc). So I've always thought his breaking pitches were the biggest problem. You have just mentioned his slider as "wipeout?"
I thought because his breaking pitches were so bad, that inning after inning you could sit on his fastball and ultimately get used to it - and never fear his poor breaking pitches. So I thought if he features his fastball for an inning- he would be much better off. One inning - throw 100 mph. That's wrong? His breaking pitches are better?
As I said - I don't know. Many of you know a lot more about this "stuff" and a pitcher's "stuff" than I.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 12:42:36 GMT -5
Kind of disappointed that JBJ didn't make a throw with that sacrifice fly. I mean the ball was hit deep but JBJ is the only guy that can make that throw from the outfield.
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Post by jmei on May 14, 2017 12:46:45 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is hitting .305/.381/.542. Compared to last year, he's walking more, striking out less and hitting for more power. Let's not forget how awesome that is.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 12:53:06 GMT -5
Love that Mookie stole that base early in the Pedrioa at bat *before* Pedrioa hit the ground ball. Mookie needs to do this more often with Pedrioa behind him to avoid double plays.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 13:01:23 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is hitting .305/.381/.542. Compared to last year, he's walking more, striking out less and hitting for more power. Let's not forget how awesome that is. Scary to think that a guy that hit 31 homeruns last year is actually hitting for more power this year. Edit- Mookie might be the best player I ever see play for the Sox. I didn't grow up seeing Rice, or Yaz. Even then, Mookie has a chance to be better then both these players numbers wise in their careers. Hope he stays here for a long time.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 13:07:46 GMT -5
This umpire is already pretty horrible. Pomeranz threw 2 strikes called balls.
Edit-Figures that the first pitch in the Vazquez at bat was a ball called a strike.
Then Vazquez gets called out on a check swing that wasn't a swing.
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Post by wesmantooth on May 14, 2017 13:18:58 GMT -5
At least they are consistent with the tight strike zone...oh wait
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 13:21:12 GMT -5
If the umpires want to go home and just hand the win to the Rays, why don't they just announce it so everyone can go home and stay warm?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 13:40:45 GMT -5
Lol if someone wants to guess what the strike zone looks like today, you get the prize.
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Post by telson13 on May 14, 2017 13:49:01 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is hitting .305/.381/.542. Compared to last year, he's walking more, striking out less and hitting for more power. Let's not forget how awesome that is. That 6% K rate is ridiculous in today's game, especially for a guy whose triple slash looks like it does.
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Post by telson13 on May 14, 2017 13:54:05 GMT -5
Sometimes Pomeranz reminds me of Matt Young. I don't like that.
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Post by wesmantooth on May 14, 2017 13:54:09 GMT -5
Mad i didn't make the "how long until Pomeranz goes to the DL" post earlier. At least DD still has Devers to trade for SP help...ughh
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 13:55:05 GMT -5
And... Pomeranz is done. Why play in this crappy rained game if you're risking players safety and get a consistently bad called game by the umpires to ensure that the pace of the game will speed up?
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Post by thursty on May 14, 2017 13:55:18 GMT -5
Sigh
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Post by telson13 on May 14, 2017 14:04:45 GMT -5
This is the part of the season where Nelson Muntz pokes his head out, points at us all, and says "Ha-haaa!"
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Post by wcp3 on May 14, 2017 14:05:14 GMT -5
Drew Pomeranz: not a good acquisition.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 14:07:48 GMT -5
Pomeranz looked like he was flexing the elbow too. Just wasn't a good sign. Brian Johnson is going to have to step up for the Sox this year.
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Post by thursty on May 14, 2017 14:09:51 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski: not a good hire
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2017 14:17:50 GMT -5
Man what an awful deal. If it were something that required surgery that means his Sox career could be finished.
Espinoza is having arm issues too but at least the Padres still have six years of control over his career.
And Dombrowski could have backed out of this deal. He didn't because he was so concerned about 2016 and the irony is that Pomeranz gave up the HR to Coco Crisp that kind of finished off the Red Sox season.
What a wonderful deal. Hope Johnson or perhaps Velazquez can be up to the task.
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Post by jimed14 on May 14, 2017 14:20:26 GMT -5
I think everyone knows what everyone else thinks of the Pomeranz deal by now. We've discussed it in just about every start he's ever made for the Red Sox in addition to the 80 page thread on the trade. Let's talk about the Babe Ruth deal now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2017 14:25:28 GMT -5
I think everyone knows what everyone else thinks of the Pomeranz deal by now. We've discussed it in just about every start he's ever made for the Red Sox in addition to the 80 page thread on the trade. Let's talk about the Babe Ruth deal now. I didn't like that one either now that you mention it ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 14, 2017 14:33:58 GMT -5
triceps tightness
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 14:35:27 GMT -5
Ohh man, get Brian Johnson ready for a full season. PRP injections seem to have very little success for pitchers.
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Post by wcsoxfan on May 14, 2017 14:38:06 GMT -5
Because hitters aren't challenged by his straightball fastball? My opinion: One of the reasons why Kelly hasn't been effective despite the stuff is that his control hasn't been good enough to get ahead of hitters. He'd then try to get out of the hole by overpowering them, but without the command that requires. Don't fool yourself. Featuring hard stuff over the middle of the plate, even at 97+, isn't going to work against major league hitters. Kelly has been a poster child for that mantra. It looks to me as if he's sequencing his pitches much more effectively, for whatever reason, perhaps from working with the coaches and the catchers. The wipeout slider sets up the high hard stuff nicely. Add in the curveball and he can freeze batters in their tracks. It's never been about his stuff which can be mind-boggling. Its been about pitching, not just throwing. I can't tell which pitches are prime or not for many players such as Kelly (ofc I can with Kimbrel/Chapman etc). So I've always thought his breaking pitches were the biggest problem. You have just mentioned his slider as "wipeout?"
I thought because his breaking pitches were so bad, that inning after inning you could sit on his fastball and ultimately get used to it - and never fear his poor breaking pitches. So I thought if he features his fastball for an inning- he would be much better off. One inning - throw 100 mph. That's wrong? His breaking pitches are better?
As I said - I don't know. Many of you know a lot more about this "stuff" and a pitcher's "stuff" than I.
This year his fastball (both 4 Seam and 2 seam) have graded extremely highly by pitch/fx values and much higher than in the past, so I think you're right that they're playing up and he should use them more. His average slider and below average curve ball success haven't changed, so if he were to completely drop the curve ball (his worst pitch) then he should improve further, plus he would have more time to practice fewer pitches, which can't hurt. What I find interesting is that his zone% is almost the same as in the past, but his first pitch strike rate is up to 68%, which is easily a career high. So control isn't better, but it seems he's committed to throwing first pitch strikes.
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