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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 17:41:25 GMT -5
No, I would keep the picks if I'm Boston. I don't like the Jimmy Butler aspect of this deal. That wasn't the point - you can't make it work cap wise. Going down to 3 means you don't need to trade a Crowder or Smart to sign a max guy. After that, you need to match salaries (within a certain amount to get Butler) Well The Celtics could include Zeller in the deal to match salaries. Zeller is due for 10 million dollars but it can become non guarenteed by July 2nd, I think. Crowder and Zeller at 18 million, and Butler makes 17 million. It could work. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 17:43:45 GMT -5
You need to renounce Zeller to sign Griffin or Heyward
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 17:45:06 GMT -5
You need to renounce Zeller to sign Griffin or Heyward Not if you trade him first. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 17:45:45 GMT -5
You need to renounce Zeller to sign Griffin or Heyward Not if you trade him first. Ok then you have Butlers salary on the books so you can't get max space... |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 17:51:05 GMT -5
Well the value (salary wise) of the number 3 isn't as much the number one pick, remember. I'm sure there's a way to make it work, or Danny wouldn't be exploring it. Either way I don't want Butler.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 16, 2017 18:04:36 GMT -5
I really doubt Ainge would do that and then not proceed to hoard picks. He can't help himself.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 18:07:05 GMT -5
I really doubt Ainge would do that and then not proceed to hoard picks. He can't help himself. What do you mean? You think he's going to trade the picks? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 18:11:10 GMT -5
The one thing we can all agree that Fultz is the clear number one pick but having a chance at a no doubt clear cut future franchise player the next 2 years in the draft would be awesome. Maybe the number one pick is better the next two years....
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 16, 2017 18:14:31 GMT -5
What do you mean? You think he's going to trade the picks? He will not trade any picks, only maybe to get more picks. It's the Belichik principle. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 18:38:26 GMT -5
If the rumors are true then Danny doesn't know who he's picking at 3 bc everyone and their mother is supposedly trying to be reached for a workout in Boston
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 18:49:26 GMT -5
If the rumors are true then Danny doesn't know who he's picking at 3 bc everyone and their mother is supposedly trying to be reached for a workout in Boston What? |
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Post by nomar on Jun 16, 2017 18:59:57 GMT -5
Dennis Smith Jr meeting with the Celtics tomorrow. Kid is an athletic freak but his arms are shorter than someone like Westbrook.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 19:13:46 GMT -5
The rumors are getting crazy. People say Tatum is the player Danny wants. Others saying we could trade with Kings after Sixers and end up with 5, 10 and another first next year. If you trade with Kings, either Tatum or Jackson would most likely to #5. Maybe then you go after a Smith with 10.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 20:19:19 GMT -5
The rumors are getting crazy. People say Tatum is the player Danny wants. Others saying we could trade with Kings after Sixers and end up with 5, 10 and another first next year. If you trade with Kings, either Tatum or Jackson would most likely to #5. Maybe then you go after a Smith with 10. The Celtics should stay in the top 3 range and just stick to the original trade down scenario with the 76's at the very worst. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 20:50:31 GMT -5
I don't disagree, but why extra workouts now? One of the top 5 guys they were considering for #1 will be there at 3. So they have to be at least considering it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 21:00:59 GMT -5
I don't disagree, but why extra workouts now? One of the top 5 guys they were considering for #1 will be there at 3. So they have to be at least considering it. Meh, maybe they are just doing there homework. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 22:19:02 GMT -5
Maybe you're right, just very weird timing. It gets announced that a trade is close, then they start lining up more workouts. Heck the whole timing of this screams second deal. Either for more picks with Kings, or for a Vet. Moving down from #1 was the hard trade, to pass on Fultz. Moving from #3 to #5, while getting #10 now starts to make sense. One of the 5 players they were considering for #1 will be there. You also get another top 10 player. That's another tier 2 player, all star upside. That's two players seen as having a higher ceiling than Brown. There have been drafts with no top two tier players, this draft has 10 of them.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 17, 2017 6:07:03 GMT -5
Maybe you're right, just very weird timing. It gets announced that a trade is close, then they start lining up more workouts. Heck the whole timing of this screams second deal. Either for more picks with Kings, or for a Vet. Moving down from #1 was the hard trade, to pass on Fultz. Moving from #3 to #5, while getting #10 now starts to make sense. One of the 5 players they were considering for #1 will be there. You also get another top 10 player. That's another tier 2 player, all star upside. That's two players seen as having a higher ceiling than Brown. There have been drafts with no top two tier players, this draft has 10 of them. Depending on medicals, I would love to take a shot in Giles if they add a second top 10 pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 17, 2017 6:42:09 GMT -5
Maybe you're right, just very weird timing. It gets announced that a trade is close, then they start lining up more workouts. Heck the whole timing of this screams second deal. Either for more picks with Kings, or for a Vet. Moving down from #1 was the hard trade, to pass on Fultz. Moving from #3 to #5, while getting #10 now starts to make sense. One of the 5 players they were considering for #1 will be there. You also get another top 10 player. That's another tier 2 player, all star upside. That's two players seen as having a higher ceiling than Brown. There have been drafts with no top two tier players, this draft has 10 of them. Depending on medicals, I would love to take a shot in Giles if they add a second top 10 pick. Nooooo you cannot take Giles with a lottery pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 17, 2017 6:45:26 GMT -5
I can really only accept a trade of this number 1 pick if they end up with both the LA 2018 and either the Philly 2018 unprotected or the Kings 2019 unprotected.
That would give us:
2017 number 3
2018 Brooklyn
2018 Lakers
2018 76ers
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2017 number 3
2018 Brooklyn
2018 Lakers
2019 Kings
I don't want any of those picks traded for a veteran like Butler etc. I want them to build long term with these incredible high picks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 17, 2017 6:48:13 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 17, 2017 7:22:36 GMT -5
Hopefully, IMO, Danny is just kicking the tires on what he could secure for the #1. From all I have read, which is a lot like many of you, Fultz is a 1 in 5/7 yr type of player. Everything points to him being a top 5 guard. Just take him and build please!!
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 17, 2017 9:17:21 GMT -5
Don't follow basketball much but there is a long detailed article on Ante Zizic in the Globe today www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/06/16/meet-celtics-prospect-ante-zizicSeems that the C's may have the big they need and if he is near what they think along with Brown at wing and Fulz at PG you have 3 basically 20 year olds to form a long term core that may only need a season or two to reach their potential and all on rookie deals. It would be hard to pass that up. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 17, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -5
Don't follow basketball much but there is a long detailed article on Ante Zizic in the Globe today www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/06/16/meet-celtics-prospect-ante-zizicSeems that the C's may have the big they need and if he is near what they think along with Brown at wing and Fulz at PG you have 3 basically 20 year olds to form a long term core that may only need a season or two to reach their potential and all on rookie deals. It would be hard to pass that up. Thanks for posting... I've been high on this kid all season. I've tried watching all the film I could and I'm a huge believer that he's going to come in and contribute immediately. Not saying he's an all-star off the bat but I think he will be a legit player for this team from the start. He's just good and he moves so well for a guy his size. People say KO has skill with the ball I'm his hands but from what I see his kid is even better off the bounce. Not passing wise tho which is really where KO excels. Edit: one bold prediction is Zizic will help this team more next year than KO would. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 17, 2017 9:53:44 GMT -5
Trading down from 1 to 3 saves about 2.4Mn. If, for example, you just used future picks (I know, not going to happen but for step by step calculation purposes) on Butler (plus renouncing ALL FAs and releasing Mickey and Zeller) you'd have $11Mn in cap room.
To get Max Room (around $30Mn) you'd have to trade or stash $18Mn in salaries. Some of course, would go in a Butler deal (either Bradley or Crowder but that's only 8.8 or 6.8) but you'd have to send multiple bodies out (with no cap money coming back) to get there.
Not impossible but improbable given you'd be giving up value contracts/players for small return.
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