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Post by soxjim on Jun 18, 2017 14:51:46 GMT -5
I wish we could put money on this-- ofc we can't I won't. But that's a pipedream imo. Avatar bet? It's no pipedream that's for sure, go read Jackson's scouting report and watch the tape. He is just like Smart. What's an "AVATAR bet" and how can we prove it? Do the Celts have to beat the Cavs in the playoffs? Or does Jackson need to hold LeBron under a certain EFG% number and assist to turnover number?
Right now LBJ is still the best player in the game and still playing at alltime great level. The cavs / LeBron weren't "stopped" by GSW but they were outscored. A LBJ had said that the GSW team had more firepower than he ever played against.
There is no way at least over the next two years Jackson or an equivalent taller Marcus Smart type just out of college is going to have any near shot of slowing LBJ down with any significant meaning. I've watched the "LBJ tapes" enough to know no college kid has a prayer. Come playoff time the world is a different beast and that kid is either going to pick up 3 fouls before he steps on the court or just get taken by an all-time great player. And I hate LeBron. I hope I'm wrong. The one positive I hold is the coach. I think he is super.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 18, 2017 15:06:44 GMT -5
Now they're saying George could be headed to LA and there could be some protections on the 2019 Kings pick. Why the HELL would Danny let them put protections on these picks?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2017 20:34:59 GMT -5
Maybe Danny is a savant and this deal really isn't happening he's just forcing the action ahead of time so he can see the true value of that Lakers 2018 pick.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2017 20:43:36 GMT -5
Now they're saying George could be headed to LA and there could be some protections on the 2019 Kings pick. Why the HELL would Danny let them put protections on these picks? But the conditions on the LAL pick is to benefit the Cs. Anything below 5 (outside of 1) and it's not good enough to satisfy the deal. Would it make sense to do that and then make the conditions on the Sac pick be restrictive to the detriment of Boston? Possible but it sounds strange. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2017 20:53:00 GMT -5
The Hardaway and Webber trade was before the draft. There's a reason the internet goes crazy about stuff like this. We live in a 24 hour news world minute by minute and this is what people do. That was a draft day trade. The Magic took Webber and traded him. That's what you normally see, this trade is totally different. By all accounts the Sixers will have the number one pick on draft night. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2017 20:54:45 GMT -5
Yeah. It's supposed to be completed tomorrow.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2017 20:56:14 GMT -5
Yeah. It's supposed to be completed tomorrow. I bet if today were Mother's Day it wouldn't have been delayed |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2017 20:59:56 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2017 21:01:51 GMT -5
There is almost no conceivable trade for Butler i would be happy with. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2017 21:07:10 GMT -5
Trying to wrap my head around a scenario (my thought, not even speculation from the internet) about a trade back for 5 and 10 and then a 5 and Bradley for Butler (smaller stuff and salaries to figure it out)
So we'd be looking at #1 for Butler, #10 and LAL/Sac pick.
Havent thought enough about whether a)it would make sense for CHI or b)it would make sense for BOS
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2017 23:10:56 GMT -5
No no no. In my opinion you only go after a Butler if you get let's say you get Griffin. Then at most, maybe the Lakers pick and Crowder. Salary would be really hard to match though. You don't trade two lottery picks for Butler!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2017 3:03:34 GMT -5
Avatar bet? It's no pipedream that's for sure, go read Jackson's scouting report and watch the tape. He is just like Smart. What's an "AVATAR bet" and how can we prove it? Do the Celts have to beat the Cavs in the playoffs? Or does Jackson need to hold LeBron under a certain EFG% number and assist to turnover number?
Right now LBJ is still the best player in the game and still playing at alltime great level. The cavs / LeBron weren't "stopped" by GSW but they were outscored. A LBJ had said that the GSW team had more firepower than he ever played against.
There is no way at least over the next two years Jackson or an equivalent taller Marcus Smart type just out of college is going to have any near shot of slowing LBJ down with any significant meaning. I've watched the "LBJ tapes" enough to know no college kid has a prayer. Come playoff time the world is a different beast and that kid is either going to pick up 3 fouls before he steps on the court or just get taken by an all-time great player. And I hate LeBron. I hope I'm wrong. The one positive I hold is the coach. I think he is super.
We get to pick your avatar picture for a set amount of time. Your comment was it will be a long time before any College guy can make any real impact guarding LeBron. That just makes no sense. Jackson can make an impact guarding LeBron next year. Most likely he'll be our best option. Your not going to stop, or even slow down LeBron. Making an impact is making him work for everything. Contesting his shots, not allowing him easy layups all game long. So yea the best way to judge that is by efficiency. It's not going to be hard for him to make an impact, as he's a massive upgrade over Crowder. Crowder just isn't a great athlete. While Brown is, he is very raw. He doesn't yet know how to use his elite athletic ability to make plays on D. Jackson does and is one of the better NBA level defender to come into the NBA in a while. He's like Smart in that he takes pride in his D, has great instincts and is an elite athlete. |
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Post by tizzle on Jun 19, 2017 3:26:51 GMT -5
Even if Ainge is super high on a third prospect like Tatum or Ball, there's still no reason to do the deal this early. The thing that makes by far the most sense is that he's chasing (to some extent, anyway) another deal.
The only other thing that comes to mind is that he thought being 3rd would convince some other guys (like Ball) to come in for a workout when they might have otherwise been hesitant.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 19, 2017 5:15:50 GMT -5
If that Kings pick has protections on it, this doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2017 6:58:52 GMT -5
If that Kings pick has protections on it, this doesn't make any sense to me. Let's wait to see what goes down. My guess is PG3 doesn't get traded to the Lakers. It doesn't make sense for them to deal for him. They need to keep their assets to have a team around him when/if he goes there. That is worth the risk of him deciding to stay where he is because they are the Lakers and will have plenty of chances to sign great free agents. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 19, 2017 7:02:46 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2017 8:04:25 GMT -5
Bulpett heard from a source that the protection on the Sac pick is only for #1 overall. Not sure what would happen then.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2017 8:38:17 GMT -5
I can see protecting the Lakers pick as you got something from it but not the kings pick
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2017 8:56:04 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2017 9:47:56 GMT -5
Stephen A Smith is reporting that Chicago wanted the 3 pick from Philly for Butler so now people are projecting the Cs will trade the 3 pick with Crowder to get Butler then sign Hayward.... I still don't know how the money works to sign a max after making that trade but if it does I guess I could get behind it even if I'd prefer they don't make that trade. At least they still have 2018 Nets pick and that Lakers/Kings selection
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2017 10:05:53 GMT -5
Maybe they'd take JJ for CHI and trade him AFTER getting Hayward (using the 150% of salary rule)  Otherwise, they'd have to send out significant salary in another deal. EDIT: Actually, I don't think the 150% could apply here bc that only applies if Boston is sending out less than 9.8Mn in a trade and 150% of that doesn't equal enough for Butler (18.7Mn) Yeah, I'm not sure how it could happen. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2017 10:53:48 GMT -5
Celticsblog reporting that C's will sign Daniel Theis, a 6-9 F/C from Germany. Expected to be a partially guaranteed 2 year deal using the minimum exception (completed after other offseason transactions so as to preserve cap space).
The report initially comes from David Pick (whom the blog calls the Euro Woj).
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2017 12:34:54 GMT -5
Reports are now that 19 is the best of Philly/Sac pick unless it's #1 overall, then it's the other one.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2017 12:36:50 GMT -5
That's ridiculous that we would give them multiple chances to get number 1 overall
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2017 12:38:28 GMT -5
Would confirm the idea that both parties believe there is not much difference between #1 and #3 in this draft. Still don't like it.
Related: Tatum working out for Boston today.
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