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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:07:25 GMT -5
So Ford is reporting that Jackson won't work out for Boston unless Boston commits to taking him with the #3 pick. So it seems the rumors about a trade down are legit. Otherwise why would he say that? Whys that have anything to do with the Celtics trading? |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2017 15:07:43 GMT -5
I asked Ford if JJ had worked out for SAC (who supposedly wants him). No reply yet.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2017 15:08:52 GMT -5
So it seems the rumors about a trade down are legit. Otherwise why would he say that? Whys that have anything to do with the Celtics trading? Agent thinking that Boston will take him and trade him to SAC? Wants to make that riskier by not working out (getting meds, more importantly)?? Just guessing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:09:44 GMT -5
The rumor doesn't say committed to keeping him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 15:10:42 GMT -5
If he gets traded to a good team and doesn't sign with Lakers? They don't have a pick next year, so tanking gets them nothing. Russell and the 28th pick isn't a ton. The Knicks traded a ton for Anthony. Lakers would still have a ton of young players. The chances the Lakers can sign two elite free agents next year is just about zero. George could help recruit a guy next year, just like Thomas helped us land Horford. So they can't sign two max guys but if George is there they can max him and sign a max guy? So a team seen as a up and coming team means nothing? Don't you think it would be easier to get a max guy to sign if you A. make playoffs and B. have a star to recruit him? Nevermind George helping the young guys develop. How many times have two max free agents signed with the same team in the same offseason? LeBron and Bosh only went to Heat because Wade was there to recruit them. Nevermind players like Ball and Ingram will look a lot better playing next to George, than without him. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2017 15:15:19 GMT -5
Okay so "They're keeping the pick" and "He's their guy at 3" does leave it open.
But don't you think that means if he's going to work out for Boston he wants to be taken at #3 and stay (not do a "hat swap")?
EDIT: I'm just struggling to find logical reasons for the agent to be doing this.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:16:18 GMT -5
If I'm the Lakers, I'm confident I can get free agents to sign with me. Just because Howard and Aldrich didn't isn't going to dissuade me. Therefore I wouldn't panic and give up players who can help me long term. And if I were George I wouldn't be so excited about them doing it either. Personally, I hate the Lakers so I hope they make stupid moves
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:17:22 GMT -5
Okay so "They're keeping the pick" and "He's their guy at 3" does, technically, leave it open. But don't you think that means if he's going to work out for Boston he wants to be taken at #3 and stay (not do a "hat swap")? Just saw a Ford tweet that they want the Celtics to commit to keeping it. Which Danny should just say f#€£ off and take Tatum |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2017 15:20:23 GMT -5
Okay so "They're keeping the pick" and "He's their guy at 3" does, technically, leave it open. But don't you think that means if he's going to work out for Boston he wants to be taken at #3 and stay (not do a "hat swap")? Just saw a Ford tweet that they want the Celtics to commit to keeping it. Which Danny should just say f#€£ off and take Tatum What I saw was "1) They are keeping the pick and 2) He's their guy at 3" |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 15:21:36 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Jacksons agent could be worried Boston trades down and picks him at 4 or 5. Or they want to control which team he goes to and which team he doesn't. If you believe Boston is looking at a bunch of trades like I do. It adds a bunch of uncertainty into the mix. Agents don't like that.
I look more at the context of that comment than exact wording. Was it a direct quote or taken out of context? I take it Jackson agent wants assurances of what Boston is planning on doing before they workout for them.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:24:38 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Jacksons agent could be worried Boston trades down and picks him at 4 or 5. Or they want to control which team he goes to and which team he doesn't. If you believe Boston is looking at a bunch of trades like I do. It adds a bunch of uncertainty into the mix. Agents don't like that. I look more at the context of that comment than exact wording. Was it a direct quote or taken out of context? I take it Jackson agent wants assurances of what Boston is planning on doing before they workout for them. Anyone who doesn't believe Danny is looking at trades is foolish he always is and always says so. At the press conference though it seemed like they wanted to keep the pick. If something comes down that a clear win for him he will make If. I believe he felt whoever he takes at 3 would be very similar to who he'd take at 1 so getting that extra high pick was a no brainer. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 15:25:07 GMT -5
If I'm the Lakers, I'm confident I can get free agents to sign with me. Just because Howard and Aldrich didn't isn't going to dissuade me. Therefore I wouldn't panic and give up players who can help me long term. And if I were George I wouldn't be so excited about them doing it either. Personally, I hate the Lakers so I hope they make stupid moves Yea I would be super confident after not getting a big time free agent to sign since Shaq like 20 years ago. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:27:48 GMT -5
If I'm the Lakers, I'm confident I can get free agents to sign with me. Just because Howard and Aldrich didn't isn't going to dissuade me. Therefore I wouldn't panic and give up players who can help me long term. And if I were George I wouldn't be so excited about them doing it either. Personally, I hate the Lakers so I hope they make stupid moves Yea I would be super confident after not getting a big time free agent to sign since Shaq like 20 years ago. Right because they had a lot of cap space to work with during that time frame. Let's not pretend LA isn't an attractive free agent spot. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 15:32:58 GMT -5
Yea I would be super confident after not getting a big time free agent to sign since Shaq like 20 years ago. Right because they had a lot of cap space to work with during that time frame. Let's not pretend LA isn't an attractive free agent spot. The list of players they went after since they had cap space is long, very long. All things being equal LA is a great place. But free agents want to sign with teams on the rise, not crappy lottery teams. George and a bunch of good young players coming off a playoff season is totally different than the Lakers being a bottom five team with good young players that can't win. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:34:41 GMT -5
Right because they had a lot of cap space to work with during that time frame. Let's not pretend LA isn't an attractive free agent spot. The list of players they went after since they had cap space is long, very long. All things being equal LA is a great place. But free agents want to sign with teams on the rise, not crappy lottery teams. George and a bunch of good young players coming off a playoff season is totally different than the Lakers being a bottom five team with good young players that can't win. I'm erasing the decrepit Kobe era - if the Lakers have a good young Nucleus and cap space they will sign guys. Hell we are talking about this because George wants to sign there. |
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Post by digit on Jun 20, 2017 15:41:58 GMT -5
I'd trade the #3 and several non-Sixers/Lakers/Kings picks as well as one or two players for Porzingis. Should still be able to sign a FA too, assuming we don't -have- to take on Melo or Noah's contracts. If we do, I'd take some of those extra picks off the board.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 15:44:19 GMT -5
The list of players they went after since they had cap space is long, very long. All things being equal LA is a great place. But free agents want to sign with teams on the rise, not crappy lottery teams. George and a bunch of good young players coming off a playoff season is totally different than the Lakers being a bottom five team with good young players that can't win. I'm erasing the decrepit Kobe era - if the Lakers have a good young Nucleus and cap space they will sign guys. Hell we are talking about this because George wants to sign there. I have real doubts about how true those rumors are. I think it's his agents trying to steer him to legit contenders because he doesn't want a team like Denver to trade for him. It's working, only teams like the Cavs or LA are even talking about trading for him. I always took those comments more ass I go to a legit contender or I will go to LA. If your not playing for a legit contender LA is the best place to do that. He keeps talking about winning and how that matters to him. Then I'm going to LA, it makes no sense. If he truly cares about winning, there are about 15 better teams than the Lakers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 15:47:05 GMT -5
I'm erasing the decrepit Kobe era - if the Lakers have a good young Nucleus and cap space they will sign guys. Hell we are talking about this because George wants to sign there. I have real doubts about how true those rumors are. I think it's his agents trying to steer him to legit contenders because he doesn't want a team like Denver to trade for him. It's working, only teams like the Cavs or LA are even talking about trading for him. I always took those comments more ass I go to a legit contender or I will go to LA. If your not playing for a legit contender LA is the best place to do that. He keeps talking about winning and how that matters to him. Then I'm going to LA, it makes no sense. If he truly cares about winning, there are about 15 better teams than the Lakers. Well if you are right then there is no guarantee he resigns in LA which make trading for him even worse. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 15:55:03 GMT -5
I have real doubts about how true those rumors are. I think it's his agents trying to steer him to legit contenders because he doesn't want a team like Denver to trade for him. It's working, only teams like the Cavs or LA are even talking about trading for him. I always took those comments more ass I go to a legit contender or I will go to LA. If your not playing for a legit contender LA is the best place to do that. He keeps talking about winning and how that matters to him. Then I'm going to LA, it makes no sense. If he truly cares about winning, there are about 15 better teams than the Lakers. Well if you are right then there is no guarantee he resigns in LA which make trading for him even worse. I would love to see Howard 2.0 again! They could also help there chances by being able to give him a bigger contract. I can just see the Lakers buying all the rumors and thinking it's a done deal. It's a net gain for George. Spends a year in LA instead of Indiana and gets to see if he wants to stay. It just comes down to what's more important to George, Winning or being in his hometown. Fun stuff that's for sure. |
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Post by tizzle on Jun 20, 2017 17:15:34 GMT -5
Just throwing this tidbit out there- Porznngis' salary is actually slightly less than the #3 pick.
The team could take on him and Butler/George and still have cap. Just assuming the only salaries we'd move are #3 and Crowder (a bunch of future picks would go too, obviously), I think we'd have nearly 20 mil. We'd obviously be expected to at least move some others too, the likes of Rozier, Yabusele at least, which would just increase our cap.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 17:17:58 GMT -5
Woj reporting that Knicks aren't ruling out trading Porzingis. What would you be willing to give up? ESPN reports Celtics have reached out to see what it would take. So they do have interest, depending on cost. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2017 17:27:25 GMT -5
Wow.
Reports coming in that LAL have traded Russell and Mozgov to BRK for Lopez and 27
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 20, 2017 17:34:43 GMT -5
Wow. Reports coming in that LAL have traded Russell and Mozgov to BRK for Lopez and 27 The Lakers are clearing cap space. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 17:45:03 GMT -5
Wow is right
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 17:46:43 GMT -5
Wow. Reports coming in that LAL have traded Russell and Mozgov to BRK for Lopez and 27 The Lakers are clearing cap space. At the cost of Russell? That seems stupid! |
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