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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2017 21:04:40 GMT -5
Tells you Boston won't be able to trade back (without throwing in something else) unless the rejection is bc they are in same division.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2017 21:41:59 GMT -5
Now the clippers are shopping Jordan...
Why am I starting to want Griffin over Hayward?
Draft Tatum and sign Griffin?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 20, 2017 21:44:27 GMT -5
Now the clippers are shopping Jordan... Why am I starting to want Griffin over Hayward? Draft Tatum and sign Griffin? I think that's the plan. Tatum (or maybe Jackson) and Griffin and pray for good health. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 23:33:34 GMT -5
At the cost of Russell? That seems stupid! Not if they're sure they can get George and LeBron very very soon. Get back to me when that happens. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 23:40:36 GMT -5
If I was the Pacers I would rather Russell, Deng and pick #28, than Clarkson, filler and pick #27 and #28. I don't get trading the better asset to move salary, compared to getting the player you want. A rebuilding team shouldn't care about cap space, only assets.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 2:42:41 GMT -5
If I was the Pacers I would rather Russell, Deng and pick #28, than Clarkson, filler and pick #27 and #28. I don't get trading the better asset to move salary, compared to getting the player you want. A rebuilding team shouldn't care about cap space, only assets. They're not looking to rebuild for long or really anymore for that matter. They're looking for stars and they can usually get them because of the glitz and glamour of LA. You keep saying that the LeBron stuff isn't happening, yet LeBron's kids are enrolled to school in LA and he owns a home there too. Nevermind that everyone inside the circles and every insider in the NBA is predicting him to leave for LA too. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 3:56:36 GMT -5
If I was the Pacers I would rather Russell, Deng and pick #28, than Clarkson, filler and pick #27 and #28. I don't get trading the better asset to move salary, compared to getting the player you want. A rebuilding team shouldn't care about cap space, only assets. They're not looking to rebuild for long or really anymore for that matter. They're looking for stars and they can usually get them because of the glitz and glamour of LA. You keep saying that the LeBron stuff isn't happening, yet LeBron's kids are enrolled to school in LA and he owns a home there too. Nevermind that everyone inside the circles and every insider in the NBA is predicting him to leave for LA too. I don't care what LAs plans are. Again name a star they have got since Shaq? Still blows my mind everyone still thinks LA will just get stars to sign there, just because its LA. Free agents care about winning more than glitz and glamour. Times change, Boston is getting top Vets over LA. LA will get stars as soon as they can be seen as a good team, with a bright future. Are you kidding about the LeBron information? Everyday there's a new rumor of what team he's going to. In no way is it LA only and a done deal. We know LeBron cares about winning and only way he goes to LA is if it offers him the best chance of a title. If you believe anything different you are fooling yourself. It's just rumors, that's all. Do you think LA can become a team thats a LeBron away from winning a title or being a top 3 team? You think he'll leave the East to go face the Warriors not even in the finals? Nothing that happens between now and this time next year matters. Because a few reports think LeBron is going to LA. You know because he has a house there. The Cavs lost and now LeBron is going everywhere. I really can't take this crap news anymore. Cleveland is his hometown and by all reports are trying to get Butler or George. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 4:18:46 GMT -5
The Lakers are about to land Paul George whether it's now or a year from now. Russell Westbrook is also from LA and could go there whenever he is up in free agency.
Ohh and any team that LeBron goes to instantly becomes a top 3 team in the NBA and becomes a instant title contender.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 6:42:05 GMT -5
If Jordan becomes available, what do the Celtics need to do to get him.? He looks like the perfect player for Brad and Danny. Does not need the ball much. rebounds. Protects the rim. The howard trade, the Russell trade. Maybe the Celtic's trade with the knicks for porzingst? Wow! what would you give to get him? Like I said earlier LOTS of TURMOIL out there. Maybe the 3rd pick is traded later this summer to the clips for Jordan? Lots of teams are looking at flexibility and building for down the road after the GS window closes in 2 to 3 yrs. 3 pt shooters, players who play multiple positions, salary flexibility? It looks like the Celtic's are in good position to accomplish all of these, if Danny does the right things?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 6:50:23 GMT -5
If Jordan becomes available, what do the Celtics need to do to get him.? He looks like the perfect player for Brad and Danny. Does not need the ball much. rebounds. Protects the rim. The howard trade, the Russell trade. Maybe the Celtic's trade with the knicks for porzingst? Wow! what would you give to get him? Like I said earlier LOTS of TURMOIL out there. Maybe the 3rd pick is traded later this summer to the clips for Jordan? Lots of teams are looking at flexibility and building for down the road after the GS window closes in 2 to 3 yrs. 3 pt shooters, players who play multiple positions, salary flexibility? It looks like the Celtic's are in good position to accomplish all of these, if Danny does the right things? No to Jordan. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 7:12:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm at the point where if I'm giving up a lotto or potential lotto pick, it should be for someone in their early 20s and/or on a cheap contract.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 7:36:24 GMT -5
If I was the Pacers I would rather Russell, Deng and pick #28, than Clarkson, filler and pick #27 and #28. I don't get trading the better asset to move salary, compared to getting the player you want. A rebuilding team shouldn't care about cap space, only assets. That's fine but they do need to care about both. The Pacers also don't need to trade PG to the Lakers. They can deal him anywhere they want. They may want nothing to do with Russel. Russel has got to be a polarizing figure based on his early career antics. That locker room crap is a major deal as are the verified quotes from the Lakers themselves publicly about his immaturity and lack of ability to lead (especially being a point guard). There's a real possibility that the Pacers would not want to have him as the face of their franchise rebuild. So you may think it's a better deal but adding a huge 3 year contract for a broken down player and a polarizing young guy may not be enough for them to trade George. Think about it. It just cost Russel to rid the smaller Mozgov deal. So using that logic; the Pacers would be better off letting George walk for free then take on Dengs deal with Russel. You can disagree and it's fine I'm just saying it's a logical view point for a team to consider. The Pacers were willing to gamble on George leaving for nothing for a chance to resign him. Now they know they can't so trading him for anything that is a positive is a bonus. I guess tho it's really hard to say what is a good move for the Pacers unless we know the direction they want to head without George. Do they want to rebuild completely or do they want to retool and try to be competitive? The right move is probably rebuilding completely but then they need to make a decision on Turner. Both to see if he'd be up for that and to decide if they want him to be. Is he worth a near max deal in a year or two on a full rebuild? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 7:40:43 GMT -5
Jordan would be perfect for this team if he made 12m. Guys like him making that large of a contract aren't winning players. At least Horford can score when you need him to. The NBA is still about outscoring your opponent and guys who play defense and rebound are great and important but not at over 20m a year. This is why Noel is going to be one of the worst signings possible.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 8:55:22 GMT -5
The Celtics reportedly turned down a deal for Butler that was for the number 3 straight up - nothing else required.
That makes me feel good.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 9:13:13 GMT -5
C's finally received JJ's medicals. Still no workout though.
EDIT: Jackson saying he wanted to workout for Cs (and would love to be drafted by them) but logistics/scheduling prevented it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 12:34:28 GMT -5
Ford is now saying Celtics leaning Tatum.... he's been on the Jackson and Tatum train to Boston so he won't need to change any articles to be right
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 12:35:59 GMT -5
The Lakers are about to land Paul George whether it's now or a year from now. Russell Westbrook is also from LA and could go there whenever he is up in free agency. Ohh and any team that LeBron goes to instantly becomes a top 3 team in the NBA and becomes a instant title contender. Way to not answer a single question and just move onto the next player you hope goes to LA. Are you a Lakers fan? You do get LeBron would be in his age 34 season if he some how did join the Lakers right? Also adding James doesn't make every team an instant top 3 team and title contender. Have you not noticed who he has been playing with? Guys like Bosh and Wade or Love and Irving. Nevermind the other good playlers the Cavs have in Smith and Thompson. He still has lost what 4 times in finals. You need a lot more than George and LeBron to be a top 3 team and instant title contender. You need 3 other good starters and good depth. That means the Lakers young players would have to really step up and Ball would need to be good really quick. Ingram would need to go from being one of the worst players in league to being above average. You would also still need LeBron to be the best player in league. That's not a given he is going to slow down at some point and its going happen in the near future. Before you flip a lid, I think LeBron could play into his late 30s and be a very good player. Just not the best player in game. All the greats slowed down as they got older. As Barkley said father time is undefeated. We watched it with MJ and Kobe. Just to prove my point, you really think the Nets or Kings are instant title contenders with LeBron? I sure don't. |
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 12:37:50 GMT -5
Should danny look at getting porzingis? And what would you trade for him?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 12:38:11 GMT -5
If every team were an instant title contender LeBron wouldn't have had to suck teams dry then go to bluer waters throughout his career.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 12:38:47 GMT -5
Should danny look at getting porzingis? And what would you trade for him? Look? Surely But I wouldn't give up anything that wouldn't get laughed at here. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 12:50:41 GMT -5
I'm guessing I'd be willing to give up more than RJP but it's probably still significantly less than what NY would demand.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 13:12:11 GMT -5
If I was the Pacers I would rather Russell, Deng and pick #28, than Clarkson, filler and pick #27 and #28. I don't get trading the better asset to move salary, compared to getting the player you want. A rebuilding team shouldn't care about cap space, only assets. That's fine but they do need to care about both. The Pacers also don't need to trade PG to the Lakers. They can deal him anywhere they want. They may want nothing to do with Russel. Russel has got to be a polarizing figure based on his early career antics. That locker room crap is a major deal as are the verified quotes from the Lakers themselves publicly about his immaturity and lack of ability to lead (especially being a point guard). There's a real possibility that the Pacers would not want to have him as the face of their franchise rebuild. So you may think it's a better deal but adding a huge 3 year contract for a broken down player and a polarizing young guy may not be enough for them to trade George. Think about it. It just cost Russel to rid the smaller Mozgov deal. So using that logic; the Pacers would be better off letting George walk for free then take on Dengs deal with Russel. You can disagree and it's fine I'm just saying it's a logical view point for a team to consider. The Pacers were willing to gamble on George leaving for nothing for a chance to resign him. Now they know they can't so trading him for anything that is a positive is a bonus. I guess tho it's really hard to say what is a good move for the Pacers unless we know the direction they want to head without George. Do they want to rebuild completely or do they want to retool and try to be competitive? The right move is probably rebuilding completely but then they need to make a decision on Turner. Both to see if he'd be up for that and to decide if they want him to be. Is he worth a near max deal in a year or two on a full rebuild? First I don't for one second think it cost Russell to unload that contract. They just didn't dump it for a Tyler Zeller type contract, they got a player that instantly becomes there best player, while getting back a first round pick. The Nets wanted two first round picks for Lopez. They liked Russell enough to take that contract, plus ship out a first round pick. Russell is a very good young guard. He made one mistake when he was 20 years old. He sure doesn't seem like a thug or anything like that. I don't think any team worries about his public image. It's more about earning his teammates respect and he can still easily do that. A player like Smart has more public image issues starting fights and flipping off fans! This is a great trade for the Nets and one the Lakers could regret down the road when Russell is a 20 point a game scorer. Like Kevin Pelton said I would have moved Ingram, he was a mess last year. If there's a player who's value will tank after next year it is Ingram, not Russell. Russell was there best young player by a mile. This trade is more about turning the Lakers around and making them a winning team. It also gives them a good fall back option if they can't get another star. They can just resign Lopez. Like all the experts said, it would have been a lot easier unloading those contracts next offseason when they only have 2 years left on them. As to the Pacer it seems simple to me, you rebuild. You barely made playoffs with George and they only have one good young player in Turner. That's why I would have no problem taking on a big horrible contract if it meant getting the best return. Russell and Turner is a nice foundation for a rebuilding team. Two years down the road when they might start thinking about adding player to there young core, they would have a huge expiring contract. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 13:19:43 GMT -5
Tatum makes sense as he is the only one to workout for Celtics and like last year with Brown that can be huge. One guy I think is a major sleeper is Smith. He also worked out and is a great talent. The fact everyone has him going 8-10 kinda shocks me. Talent wise Smith could be better than Fultz and Ball.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 13:20:59 GMT -5
Should danny look at getting porzingis? And what would you trade for him? Look? Surely But I wouldn't give up anything that wouldn't get laughed at here. What exactly don't you like about the Unicorn? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 13:42:45 GMT -5
Should danny look at getting porzingis? And what would you trade for him? Yes and reports say he has called the Knicks asking about him. I would offer the #3 pick, the Clippers pick next year, our own pick next year and Memphis future first round pick. That can help the Knicks rebuild depth, which they really need to do. We also can't use all those picks. Chances are that doesn't do it. My best and final offer would be #3 and the Lakers pick. Before making that though I need more information. Like who Danny is targeting in free agency and who he thinks he can get. For example if Danny thinks he can get Griffin that changes things for me. The Unicorn seems like a great fit. He helps our rebounding, D, scoring and floor spacing. He fits right into our system and he's young. Add the Unicorn and Hayward to this team and things get interesting. You are a true title contender and you didn't have to sell off the future to do it. |
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